Winchester 92 new production, where are they?

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I sold my Ruger 77/357 about 2 years ago and I'm looking for another 357 rifle. Don't have one presently. I have a pile of brass, bullets and powder and I really like that cartridge, always have.

After doing some research I decided on a plain Jane Winchester 92. I'm not going to admire it, I just want to shoot it. My budget is around $1000 so I won't be buying any of those deluxe models.

My only problem is I can't find one. The Winchester website still lists them so I assume that the Japanese company Miroku still makes them.

Anybody know of a source for one of these and why they aren't available. Do the CAS shooters grab them all when they hit the market?
 
Cabelas here in Allen had one... I don't recall the chambering, it was probably .44, but I honestly don't remember. It was one of the deluxe models and was tagged at around $1700 if memory serves. I suspect if the market is strong enough that they sell every Deluxe model, why bother with the lower version?
 
Cabelas here in Allen had one... I don't recall the chambering, it was probably .44, but I honestly don't remember. It was one of the deluxe models and was tagged at around $1700 if memory serves. I suspect if the market is strong enough that they sell every Deluxe model, why bother with the lower version?

Thanks. I've seen a few 44 mags in the lower grade but I'm looking for a for 357 in that grade. I have an aversion to buying those high end reproductions because of the resale. May not be an issue however, don't know. I've seen a few of the 125 yr anniversary models out there for big bucks.

For what they are asking for one of those I can find a real model 92 for about the same price, maybe a few hundred more. They made a million of those up to about ww2. 25-20 looks like an interesting cartridge to reload for.

Might consider a Rossi also but really want a Winchester.
 
CDNN has .357 caliber 1873 rifles on sale for 1K...not quite the 1892 but a Winchester marque none the less...

Thanks, might end up with a 73. I was looking at the difference in the actions and it seemed the 92 was more robust. I haven't heard of any 73's shooting loose (no actual lugs) but I don't load hot anyway. :D

That 92 was/is a thing of beauty.
 
Thanks, might end up with a 73. I was looking at the difference in the actions and it seemed the 92 was more robust. I haven't heard of any 73's shooting loose (no actual lugs) but I don't load hot anyway. :D

I've handled a few 1873's, and the action is buttery smooth and quick to lever. You're right though, I also think that the 1892 action is a bit more robust with the sliding lugs. My Rossi 1892's (.357-.38 and a .45C) are pretty nice, nothing fancy to look at but they work well. My .45C is my favorite gun to play with, enough pop to ring plates or flatten smaller-scale silhouettes without recoil. to make loading easier I usually load RN profile bullets since the SWC can hang up on the loading gate and sometimes in the action as the lever is being cycled.

I did a bit of work on the mag followers and replaced the stupid safety lever with parts from Steves Gunz, and the .357 needed to have the extractor tension lightened because it would chew up the rims of the cartridges when they were chambered/extracted.

Stay safe!
 
Here is a little secret. Miroku does not run all of their models continuously. They may not run any particular model in any caliber more than once a year. Some of their runs are only 500 to 1500 of a particular caliber of a particular model. Thus the market will be flush with any particular model only for a short span of time. You have both large and small time distributors and dealers on their list. The stock of any particular model is apt to disappear at any time and may not show up again until next year.

Right now I'm seeing 44-40's and .45 Colt and a few .44 mags. Nobody seems to have any .357 mag other than some of the premium limited run stuff as you mentioned--probably left over from from a previous year's production. The .357mag is a popular caliber choice for the model 92 and I rarely see any carried over from previous years in the online market. I know where a new Miroku short rifle in .357 mag is locally. It's been hanging on their wall for several years because it's just a standard model, but with a price tag of about $1370. That's $300 over MSRP, which nobody in their right mind should pay.

You are rarely going to find one at any local dealer and most shops are going to feel justified in asking more than MSRP due to the scarcity. However, they appear online all the time, but are just as quickly snapped up. I was in the same boat as you last year and did the following. You are going to have to start online with one of the big retailers.

I went online to Davidson's Gun-Genie to find the model I wanted. In my case last year it was the standard 1892 carbine in 44-40. Oddly, right now that's the only caliber they do have. They did not have any in stock at that time, so I just entered my email to get notified when any showed up. I did the same with Buds gun shop and the also with Grabagun out of Texas. Within a week or so, I got a notification from Davidsons that they had limited number of my caliber in stock. I immediately placed my order. Within a day or two I got the same message from both Buds and Grabagun, which might have been just a bit cheaper because of no sales tax, but the Davidson method is a hassle free and besides, I had already committed with Davidsons.

Once one has their model and caliber selected and it shows in stock, you enter your zip and hit the "get offers" button. Then you will be presented with all the local dealers who use the Davidson distribution system. It will show you your final total price including local tax---shipping is free. Transfer fees are also included and are less than $10.

I got 7 hits within 30 miles of my zip and the prices were quite different--from a high of almost $1000 to a low $840 for the Miroku made model 92. With local sales tax that jumped to $910 total out the door. I simply picked the local shop with the best final price and clicked the "accept offer" button. At that point, I was taken to Davidsons online store where I paid about 30% of the total quoted using a credit card. That's it, you don't have do anything else, but touch bases with the local shop to to ask them to call you when the gun comes in. In my case it was two days later. I drove out to the shop I chose, which was way out in the county so I avoided a 2% city sales tax, paid the balance, filled out the FFL form and I was done. I have a state issue concealed carry license, so I never have to wait for a background check.

With Buds or Grabagun--you are going pay them on line for the full amount plus contact your local FFL to send the dealer a copy of their FFL, wait on that or help coordinate it, then wait until your local shop gets the rifle and have to pay them a fee for filling out the paperwork since that's all the money they are getting. With this method, the local FFL is only handling the transfer and fee, so you may avoid local sales tax. However, you are going to have to find a local FFL that doesn't get upset that you are not buying from them and who does not charge an exorbitant transfer fee. Pawn shops are a good choice for this since they most likely only deal in used guns. However, my closest pawn shop is also in the Davidsons program.

With the Davidsons deal, they are acting more like a distributor so both they and the local store get a cut of the profit. The disadvantage is that--as mentioned, the buyer is completing the sale locally, so they are going to get hit with local sales tax. In my case --the guy handling the local end of the deal was way out in the county and was also dirt cheap because he only took cash. I maybe only paid about $30 more than if I had gone with Buds or Grabagun. The convenience and ease of the Davidsons system was well worth the $30 difference.

Anyway, leave your email with each to be notified and then pick the best deal. None will be more than about $870 before any fees, tax or shipping. They all have cheap or free shipping. Your only hassle with Buds or Grabagun is finding, coordinating, and paying the local FFL to do the transfer. Both have contact with a lot of FFL's around the country from past transactions, so they may have a recommended local FFL that they already have on record. With Davidsons, all of that is handled as part of the placing the order.

Now it's possible that the years supply of .357 mag carbine production has already been produced and sold, but that seems unlikely this early in the year. Regardless if any Miroku production comes available in your caliber, you should get a notice from one of those places. You just have to be ready to act with the funds available--either cash or credit.

As far as getting a Rossi, they are hit or miss on quality and there is no comparison to the Miroku. One is looking at $500 to $600 for a Rossi and only $300 to $350 more for the Miroku standard carbine. I'm talking street prices and not MSRP. That's much less than double the price of the Rossi, but you are getting 3 or 4 times the fit, finish, and quality with the Miroku. Go with the Rossi and take your chances or go with the Miroku/Winchester that will be perfect right out of the box and have a rifle you'll be proud of for a long as you own it. I have an older Rossi 92 in .357 mag, made long before they had the plastic safety switch on the bolt and were part of Braztech. It's still of mediocre quality at best and just doesn't hold a candle to the real thing--whether US or Japanese made.

Cheers


P.S. I just noticed on the GunGenie that there is a choice of either Winchester or Winchester repeating arms. Pick the latter. The first one leads to only a single model.
 
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the browning 92 were made in .357 and 44 mag.

This is quite true and as a bonus, their hammers still have a half cock notch and there's no tang safety. They were also made by Miroku. However finding one at a price lower than the Winchester/Miroku is not easy. Browning/Miroku only produced the B92's for a few years and they were discontinued in 1986. That's 32 years ago. The .357 mag versions are rarer than the .44 mag models because they produced the .44 mag in a couple of collector's or commemorative versions in addition to a standard model, which was also on the market for a longer period than the .357 mag.

For example there are nine .44 mags listed on Gunbroker presently which is an abnormally large number compared what is normally listed. However, there is not a single .357 mag listed, and there rarely is. When they do show up they are usually priced no less than a grand or more. I know because I've sort of been on the look out for one for several years now. However, now that I have 3 originals, a Miroku and a Rossi, I put the Browning model on a back burner

But does miroku chamber one in .454 casull?

Nope--presently only
.357 mag
.44 mag
.44-40
.45 Colt

Click on the black bar at the top of the spec listing to see the calibers

http://www.winchesterguns.com/produ...1892-current-products/model-1892-carbine.html

Cheers
 
I was looking at the difference in the actions and it seemed the 92 was more robust.

The 92 action is a baby version of the 1886... with dual locking bolts vs the single lugs of both the Winchester and Marlin. As I understand it, it is the strongest pistol caliber lever action available. That's not a green light to hotrod, but it does mean it has a beautiful action that feels like a bank vault door, and I think is far less clunky than the Winchester '94.

the browning 92 were made in .357 and 44 mag.

Browning/Miroku only produced the B92's for a few years and they were discontinued in 1986.

I thought they did... I just wasn't sure. The fact that I don't ever see the .357 versions just reinforces the demand for the... I think the people that have them, keep them. I've often toyed with the idea of a Browning .44, but I just don't feel the need to pick up another cartridge to load for.
 
Way back before it was a mortal sin to do so, my late brother and I bought an original shot out 38-40 for $45 and for another $100 had it rebarrelled to 357. Wish we'd made it 20" instead of 24 and would prefer a carbine stock but I still like it and shoot it. I'd go looking for a Rossi or older Marlin.
 
Oldschool shooter

I have a Rossi in 45Colt and love it. Their website only lists 45 Colt right now, no other caliber availability. Hope that changes,I want a 357 and would buy Rossi again.

Same here! Mine is a 16" barrel, large loop lever model in .45 Colt. Very pleased with it overall. Would like to get another one in .357 Magnum some day.

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Miroku makes a great product but their version of the 1892 has a rebounding hammer and a tang safety. For the money they charge you can get an 1873 which is a smoother action, with a little work they are superb. There is a reason the ‘73 is the top rifle in cowboy action shooting. The 1892 has a stronger and more compact receiver but I think the ‘73 is fine for .357.

The most common and least expensive 1892 repro is the Braztech (formerly Rossi).

I’m pretty sure Chiappa in Italy makes a pretty good ‘92. Taylor’s and Company is one of the US importers.
 
I have a Rossi 92 .357 lever action rifle.

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. . .plain Jane Winchester 92.
I'm not going to admire it,
I just want to shoot it.
For what you have described/intended untility,
I agree with the folks above -- get a Rossi.
 
I bought a new 16" SS Rossi in .357. I wasn't expecting much. I was wrong. It functioned great out of the box with any type of ammo I tried. I ordered an action kit/DVD from Steve's Gunz. Now it is very slick and has a great trigger. I have put over 3k rounds through it and haven't bothered to clean it.
 
Don't know if they are in stock but Ron Shirks has them listed in their catalog. They show deluxe trapper, short rifle, and carbine. You might get your local dealer check with them. Their number is 717-272-5671.
 
I know there was the Browning/Miroku '92's out there, I just don't think they ever made them in .357.
They did and recently in the past few years. I have a couple of them. Not for sale. I do believe they make a lot more 1873s, though, for CAS.
 
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