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Well said, Mr. Sutton.

I'll take a small increase in gun rights for a restricted number of people over no increase at all any day!

Just like the anti's have been nibbling away at our rights for years, taking every opportunity to take little bits wherever they can, we need to take back any little piece of territory possible. It keeps up the momentum for more and better changes later.
 
AB 9 has a public hearing today at 10 am in the Madison Capitol, before the Criminal Justice Committee in room 300.

Here is the question to ponder please: Why did Mr. Kleefisch lie to Nik Clark, and tell him the LEO expansion/ exemption language would be removed? AB 9 pertains to school "safe zones", AND private property which is posted as being gun free by the owners.

This is not an increase in rights at all, except for retired/former LEOs in so-called safe zones, and also for posted private properties wherein a business owner does not want CCP holders with their firearms.

Please articulate how this new exemption would increase rights to law-abiding permit holders, and creates an incremental increase for those who are not former/current/retired LEOs?

I shall contact Mr. Cox at the NRA and see if he still believes Mr. Kleefisch is acting in the NRA's best interests here. I fail to see that lying to one of the leading RKBA activists in WI about legislation, is an exhibition of conservative values.
 
The question should be whether this legislation is in the best interest if the RKBA community in WI instead of the best interest of the NRA.

Also keep in mind that this may or may not be the best that can be done right now in the WI legislature. Politics and legislation are a complicated and messy business. Often you hope and work to get everything you want and only get part of it at one time. Sometimes you hit a hard barrier and have to shed a piece or two to get through to the goal.

I would suggest that it is in everyone's best interest to find out actually the "why" of these differences than assume some malicious betrayal since the process of legislation is so tortuous.
 
Yeah, Concealed Carry is on the WI Democratic party platform...right in the crosshairs!

And it is baffling to me why. I have heard no negative news of a CCW holder in any incidents in the past 2 years, and believe me, if there were one, it would get top billing.
 
No one spoke against the concealed carry amendment. The voice was initially inconclusive, but after a hand count the motion failed and the banning of concealed carry remained part of the platform.
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Let's be clear for the other members. The WI Democratic Party officially wants to ban concealed carry.
 
Nothing new about that, it's been in the platform for years.

Also noting that there is about a zero chance to have the existing law here changed, so it's all back to simple political theater.


Willie

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And it is baffling to me why. I have heard no negative news of a CCW holder in any incidents in the past 2 years, and believe me, if there were one, it would get top billing.
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As elsewhere, the party is urban-centric and gun control is part of their core beliefs. It's unlikely this will change unless it costs them serious losses at election time. But even this may not cause any changes because way down deep these people "know they are right!" End of discussion.

Incidentally, the reason they didn't try to pass gun control measures that went through in New York and Colorado last year is because the party leadership in the legislature made a compromise to put another issue in front of it, and gun control on the back burner. This year things may, or may not, go the same way. :uhoh:
 
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Incidentally, the reason they didn't try to pass gun control measures that went through in New York and Colorado last year is because the party leadership in the legislature made a compromise to put another issue in front of it, and gun control on the back burner. This year things may, or may not, go the same way.
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?????
The WI state Assembly, Senate and Governor's office are all Republican controlled. Even though some of the socialist/lefties in office were talking gun control last year, nothing even got a hearing in the Assembly or Senate in WI.
 
Oh Oh....

The Old Fuff needs to go back and check his research. I thought it was Wisconsin, but it must obviously be another state in that general area.

Sorry about that. :eek:
 
^^ But this is essentially correct here:

"As elsewhere, the party is urban-centric and gun control is part of their core beliefs"


In Wisconsin, the Dems have majorities in the southeast corner (Milwaukee down to Racine and Kenosha, the "Urban Corridor" if you want to call it that, since it's the only urban area that I've ever been in that's dominated by cows), and in Madison (University and Government Center). Other than those areas it's all pretty conservative. Even in the Milwaukee-Kenosha corridor it's very stratified, with pockets of city and university "progressives", fully surrounded suburban conseratives. It's one of the few places in the USA where proud flag-flying union members working in our still vibrant manufacturing industries (Think Harley Davidson, Caterpillar, Allen-Bradley, Evinrude, Milwaukee Electric Tools, etc) vote Republican, a position that matches their properly conservative traditional values, (as opposed to the public employee union members who would never dream of anything other than more "progress" towards being paid to do nothing). Remember also that the Dems let a recent recall vote against our Governer Walker, for telling the public employee unions to shove off, that failed.

It's a very interesting state to live in.

Exutive summary: The chance of any real changes to the existing laws is pretty remote.


Willie

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Unfortunately, we now have Rep. Joel Kleefisch sponsoring legislation to limit CC on private property, while exempting former and retired LEOs. (Kleefisch is the husband of the Lt. Governor of WI.)
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You know how to deal with this, stop patronizing those places, if enough do this he will feel the political heat in due time.
 
^^ Schools?

You do understand that this (which was a YEAR ago) was a debate about allowing off duty cops to carry in schools, right?

You want us to stop patronizing schools? Hmmm...


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Ya know what I'd really like for WI to do...

Allow CCW holders to be able to purchase a handgun without the pointless 48 hour wait. NICS check would be fine.

What's the deal with the 48 hours?
 
What's the deal with the 48 hours?
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The folks on the other side believe that if a mad dog/crazy killer who is out to buy a gun has to wait (in this case 48 hours) before they can take delivery they'll cool down and forget whatever they intended too do.

Of course it seldom or ever works that way... :rolleyes:
 
As elsewhere, the party is urban-centric and gun control is part of their core beliefs. It's unlikely this will change unless it costs them serious losses at election time. But even this may not cause any changes because way down deep these people "know they are right!" End of discussion.
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It's up to the people of Wisconsin to make sure it costs them serious losses at election time. And then if it doesn't change their minds, it doesn't matter, because they'll be out of office and out of power.

But it takes work and commitment to defeat liberals.
 
What amazes me is that they aren't capable of learning from what happened in Illinois.

Judge Posner made it pretty clear in Moore v Madigan:

To confine the right to be armed to the home is to divorce the Second Amendment from the right of self-defense described in Heller and McDonald. This case, like Heller and McDonald is just about self-defense.

'The Supreme Court has decided that the amendment confers a right to bear arms for self-defense, which is as important outside the home as inside.

What does it mean to bear arms if there's no right to carry arms in a public place?

You don't bear arms in your house, you don't march around with a gun over your shoulder right?
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"What amazes me is that they aren't capable of learning from what happened in Illinois."

^^^ Uhh.... we have shall-issue with one of the highest per capita CCW issuance rates in the nation. So what are you amazed about?



"But it takes work and commitment to defeat liberals."

We have a conservative and escellent Republican Governer in Scott Walker who won a recall vote that was put forward after he decertified the public employee unions, as well as a Republican Majority Senate and House. Our side already runs the place..... so who cares what's on their (losing) platform?


Willie

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It is important to move any party off of anti firearms owner agendas. Wresting control away from antis and making their agenda only part of fringe parties helps mainstream our position further and prevents it from becoming "owned" by any main party with other agendas that people can't support.
 
That's kinda what I figured. I imagine despite WI (where I now unfortunately live) will hold off from introducing changes to firearm purchases with the November elections. I think it's going to be an ugly campaign for both sides.
 
We have a conservative and escellent Republican Governer in Scott Walker who won a recall vote that was put forward after he decertified the public employee unions, as well as a Republican Majority Senate and House. Our side already runs the place..... so who cares what's on their (losing) platform?
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This shows liberalism at its worst -- instead of reading the tea leaves and moderating their strident demands, they get louder and more shrill.
 
This shows liberalism at its worst -- instead of reading the tea leaves and moderating their strident demands, they get louder and more shrill.
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Of course. Because they know they are right, and keep telling anyone who will listen. :rolleyes:
 
They seem to have made good use of the squeaking wheel theory.
 
Anyone have updated numbers on permits issued?

I did a quick search, if the WI AG is publishing stats, it isn't as easy to find as OH numbers.
 
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