Woman Sniper With A Mosin

[Speedo66]

Interesting article about a WWII Russian female sniper with 309 kills using a Mosin rifle.

http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/his...elt-and-the-soviet-sniper/#.Uef6SuaRqAs.email

 

[itsa pain]

Interesting article about a WWII Russian female sniper with 309 kills using a Mosin rifle.

http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/his...elt-and-the-soviet-sniper/#.Uef6SuaRqAs.email

since FDR and his wife were closet communists and we fought the war to save the communists from Hitler I could see why they were welcomed in the white house. At the end of the war while in Berlin Gen. Patton came to the same conclusion finally seeing who the real enemy was and then he died in an"accident"

 

[Forest Brother]

Very interesting article, thankyou for sharing

 

[tuj]

The only contrary thing I've heard was that her first kills came using an SVT-40 sniper model.

Amazing story nonetheless.

 

[Cosmoline]

Makes me wonder at all our menfolk who complain about how hard the 91/30 is to cycle and how hard it kicks ;-)

 

[AethelstanAegen]

The Soviets utilized an awful lot of female snipers during the "Great Patriotic War." It does make you wonder if many current shooters have become spoiled with light recoiling AR-15s in 5.56. Haha. I for one really enjoy shooting my Mosins.

 

[henschman]

It is a nice story, but knowing what I do about the Soviet government, especially in that era, I cannot trust their figures. They loved to exaggerate stories like this that had propaganda value.

 

[Cosmoline]

It's tough to say without reading source material or a more detailed account. But it's far from impossible given the circumstances and the way snipers were deployed and used in the Red Army of that period. They were not the strategic weapons modern American snipers have become. They didn't get sent in on complex missions or have to wait for orders. It was go out and hunt every day. Just like the Finns had done to them in '39. Kill kill kill, no messing around waiting for difficult ultra-long range shots. Also remember that this was the Ostfront at the height of the invasion. Life had no value anymore. A few hundred dead meant next to nothing in battles where hundreds of thousands fell. These battles were unbridled, unrestricted slaughter. No rules, no restrictions. None of the stuff we've come to take for granted in military campaigns. As she herself said, she used humans for target practice. And I don't doubt her. There's never been anything on this scale in US history to compare this to. Maybe the 1864 campaigns or some of the worst parts of the Pacific war. But these had vastly fewer casualties.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

These folks who shoot a 5.56 AR with the toe of the stock on their collarbone should be kept away from the 7.62x54R Mosin-Nagant. It doth not suffer fools patiently.

 

[Savage99]

 

[AethelstanAegen]

It is a nice story, but knowing what I do about the Soviet government, especially in that era, I cannot trust their figures. They loved to exaggerate stories like this that had propaganda value.

That is certainly true. The Soviets always saw the truth as highly flexible. As Cosmoline points out though, the figures are not unfeasible for the circumstances. The simple fact of the matter is that we'll never know for sure.

 

[TrickyDick]

As much as I hate commies, I respect their effort.

 

[fpgt72]

That is certainly true. The Soviets always saw the truth as highly flexible. As Cosmoline points out though, the figures are not unfeasible for the circumstances. The simple fact of the matter is that we'll never know for sure.

You know there is just a speck of truth in that article. But it is known that the soviets used females in the sniper role, more so than they used men. Women have patience and would be more likely to wait for that perfect shot, and not rush. There is an old article where one of those women came over to the US after the war....pretty interesting on just the difference between American women and soviet women.

 

[lemaymiami]

There are one or two "reality shows" that come pretty close to showing daily life up north (alaska). Last night I watched Life Below Zero where a portion of the episode showed a husband/wife team of subsistence hunters above Arctic circle. The shooter in the team was the wife -and she was sighting in a new rifle -just happened to be an old surplus Mosin with a scope. That lady can shoot and it was a treat to watch their simple field work as they prepared for a caribou/seal hunt.

Don't think I'd be tough enough for what these folks face in their daily lives... and that old Mosin sure laid those rounds in there...

 

[PabloJ]

ttt

 

[itsa pain]

It is a nice story, but knowing what I do about the Soviet government, especially in that era, I cannot trust their figures. They loved to exaggerate stories like this that had propaganda value.

the communists are still lying about the 60 million the Bolsheviks killed before the war and Hitler knew Germany was next. funny how that never comes up when some guys get weak kneed over these women. what is also funny and I see it with women police and "soldiers" is how people like hiding behind their dresses

 

[Klusterbuck]

Nobody else has mentioned this, but wow... I think she was pretty cute.... and deadly is just a bonus.....

 

[Float Pilot]

There are one or two "reality shows" that come pretty close to showing daily life up north (alaska).

Don't bet on it. I was contracted to do some flying for a couple shows and everything was make-believe B.S.

There is another show being shot locally where they make it look like they are living the 1940s homestead life, but they are really half a mile away from my dads house and only 9 paved miles from down-town Homer.

 

[lhartman89]

There are one or two "reality shows" that come pretty close to showing daily life up north (alaska). Last night I watched Life Below Zero where a portion of the episode showed a husband/wife team of subsistence hunters above Arctic circle. The shooter in the team was the wife -and she was sighting in a new rifle -just happened to be an old surplus Mosin with a scope. That lady can shoot and it was a treat to watch their simple field work as they prepared for a caribou/seal hunt.

Don't think I'd be tough enough for what these folks face in their daily lives... and that old Mosin sure laid those rounds in there...

That was Caribou's wife Agnes. Check out this thread if you haven't seen it already.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=9026594#post9026594

 

[czhen]

Savage99,
Deadly beatiful.

 

[ACP]

Good attitude.

I esp. like her attitude towards Nazi's, "mowing them down like grain" and feeling no remorse when killing them, since they only existed to take the lives of innocent people.

Makes me wonder why anyone would be a Nazi sympathizer or wear a swastika in America in 2013.

 

[axxxel]

Read Antony Beevor's "Stalingrad".

Every german soldier was not a Nazi. There were even loyal German generals leading wehrmach armies from the early days of the war to the end who never liked Hitler. They were in a context where loyalty to what your country was up to could not be questioned.

"This is bad but if that's what my country is doing then that's what I'm doing. Regardless of my political opinions I sure as hell am not a traitor!"

One of the eastern front generals made a deal out of never, ever ending a written order/letter by "for the leader" or "heil Hitler", but by "for God and for Germany".

The eastern front, where the majority of all the deaths of WW2 occured, was the big crunch of WW2. It was the clash of two giant nations with very similar and very evil ideologies. The sad truth is that all those men and boys being drafted by either the german or the soviet army did one hell of a good and important job killing each other. I salute the efforts of this soviet sniper and I feel bad for the losses made by her fellow soldiers, but I have similar emotions for german soldiers on the eastern front.

I am fantastically grateful for the US and British efforts to rescue a part of Europe from the madmen of the national-socialists and communists.

 

[Zoogster]

ACP said:

Good attitude.

I esp. like her attitude towards Nazi's, "mowing them down like grain" and feeling no remorse when killing them, since they only existed to take the lives of innocent people.

Actually in that time period most nations tried to get thier people to view the enemy as subhuman and as a result easier to kill in battle or manage territories they conquered.
What you admire in the ability of her to kill Germans would be the same attitude she would have had killing Americans if the Cold War was hot. Or that Nazis or Japanese would have had in killing thier enemies.
Being able to view the enemy as subhuman and as a result not worth feeling sorry for or remorse in killing is precisely what allows a lot of inhumane things and 'war crimes' to take place.
Be careful admiring it.



In Soviet Union Mosin shoots you.

 

[redneck2]

Good attitude.

I esp. like her attitude towards Nazi's, "mowing them down like grain" and feeling no remorse when killing them, since they only existed to take the lives of innocent people.

And how does that fit with Stalin slaughtering maybe 20 million who "might" have been his enemies?

We tend to be blindly loyal to whatever our circumstances have created for us. Sports is the perfect example, If you were a Yankees fan and your whole team was traded to Boston and their team back to you, you'd still root for the Yankees and hate the Red Sox.....even thought they were your guys yesterday. Like Jerry Seinfeld said "we root for laundry"

My family came from Germany in the 1760's. If I'd have been born in Germany in the 1920's instead of today's America, I'd most likely have lined up with them. The guy that's pointing the rifle your direction is just as convinced he's right as you are that you're right. I tend to think it's more "I protect what's mine" Dunno.

We invaded Iraq. Went into their homeland and killed tens of thousands of their people. What did they do to us? Did they invade us? Start shooting first? Sure, you can make a case for our invasion. You can also make a case for them if you want. Vietnam was even worse. They did absolutely zero. Johnson administration fabricated a false attack as justification for ramping up the war. It existed strictly to support the military/industrial complex. See how much equipment we could destroy so contractors could sell more and pay off the politicians.

Who is right in any conflict is simply a matter of perception.

 

[MagnumDweeb]

Eh anytime a Commie or Nazi dies unnaturally I smile. Jihadis, Zombies, Nazis, Commies, etc. are all the same in my book. Just how it works. I applaud her efforts, and the fact a woman could wield the 7.62x54r so effectively should put any poor shooter of the AR-15 .223 to shame.