Women and handguns

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La Pistoletta

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I've seen some threads and posts here about both how women don't really have any obstructions when it comes to handgun models and calibers compared to men, and that they might have just that. Also that they're probably best off with a female instructor for the purposes of practise since they know about "other female aspects" of shooting.

What are the restrictions of women when it comes to handguns other than smaller hands, less hand and lower arm strength? These things have been mentioned and still it is implied by some that somehow female instructors can teach things to women that a man might not think of.

Note that I'm a man myself, I'm just curious of what other considerations need to be taken, since the fire power is in the gun itself.
 
A very close female friend of mine has my Glock 20C, (Ported 10mm) that she keeps it close by loaded with Cor-Bons.

She does have the image of Glock as the latest and greatest gun technology, and I have been trying to get her to look at some of the newer stuff. Name sounds cool, and all her girlfriends, TV shows and other stuff mention it, so it must be good.
 
With my wife and with a friend of hers, a serious fear of the gun itself had/has to be overcome.

Now with my wife I am having to encourage her to move up the caliber ladder because in her mind a gun is a gun.

I don't think most girls now days are exposed to guns as kids and a lot of them feel very intimidated by this hardware they don't really understand. Once you get'm past that though, and they can get more into guns than their husbands.

Starting with a .22 works wonders.
 
IMO the gender of the instructor is not important as is the quality of the instructor. The ability to teach people, ALL people regardless of gender, over rides anything else.

In my experience, the only limiting factor to females is their size, but that doesn't apply to them all.

Females often have an advantage over males in that they come into the shooting sports with NO experience, and NO attitude, which in turn allows them to learn and apply the basic fundamentals a qualified instructor teaches more proficiently than would some males.
 
Females often have an advantage over males in that they come into the shooting sports with NO experience, and NO attitude, which in turn allows them to learn and apply the basic fundamentals a qualified instructor teaches more proficiently than would some males.

I think that is very true. When it comes to shooting most women are all business and no flash.
 
My wife picked her own handguns with some input from me. I steered her toward lighter recoiling guns such as her CZ75(range and house gun), and into a Kel Tec P11(carry, but gets left in the car). She hasn't been really happy with the P11(due to recoil), but likes the feel of a steel Kahr.

My wife doesn't like recoil, so other than suggestions based on recoil, I let her do the deciding on what she wants.
 
Painting either sex with a broad brush is a mistake, IMO. Some women would respond better to a female instructor, so would some men.
 
About the only thing I've noticed is that, at least statistically, women are more likely to make "intuitive" gun purchases (and a lot of other purchases as well). It's either "I like it" or "I don't like it," whereas men make purchasing decisions based more around heresay, reviews, etc.

Women are subject to that stuff too, but the final decision usually comes down to "do I like it or not?" whereas men are more likely to allow their judgement to be swayed by reviews and reputation and stuff. When was the last time you saw a woman buy a pair of shoes (or something) that she hated, just because they were a brand with a great reputation? On the other hand, how many "I hate Glocks, but I bought one anyway because they're so ******** reliable" threads do we have here?

Seems like women tend to be happier with their purchases on average, provided they get a chance to shoot them before deciding. Buying something like an airweight .38 or a micro-.380 without shooting it first is always a mistake, no matter what your sex and ability. Still, being happy with your gun and confident in both it and yourself, and liking the thing enough to practice with it, is going to be a lot more important than having the best whizz-bang blactical tactical thing on the market.
 
When learning something new, people frequently respond better to instructors who are like themselves. It's as simple as that. Subconcious rejection of an instructor can make a mental block to learning.

Now I have had both male and female shooting instructors. It makes no difference to me now. But suppose I was to want to learn about a predominately female enterprise......... Let's say quilting for lack of a better example. Being taught quilting by a man would show me that men do indeed make quilts, that making quilts doesn't threaten a man's manhood, how to remain manly while making quilts, plus, I don't have to listen to a bunch of "Did you hear about Polly and her hormonal changes" type side chatter.

Yep, if I wanted to learn about quilting, I would want a male instructor, all things being equal. So why would a woman not want a woman to teach her the basics of shooting?
 
What are the restrictions of women when it comes to handguns other than smaller hands, less hand and lower arm strength?

I was a LE firearms instructor for almost 30 years. There are guys with small hands, less hand and lower arm strength too.

I have seen arguments about grips being too big and someone can't use that gun with big grips. That's false. It may feel uncomfortable at first and not easy but anyone with any size hands can shoot any handgun well. It all depends on instruction and a willingness to learn how. How do I know this? I had a 4-10, 85 lb agent who carried a Glock 17 and outshot most of the he men around. The agency said that's all she was allowed to carry (I'm a fan of allowing some selection) so if she wanted the job she had to learn to shoot that Glock 17.

I find women more receptive than men to firearms instruction. No matter what they say men still have that "I know what I'm doing I saw all the Lethal Weapon and Die Hard movies" back in their minds. Women have no preconceived notions and will do what you tell them.
 
Women in this area ,shorter than 5'4", shoot 1911's well in the various calibers at IDPA and have no troubles doing it.

The daughter has troubles with strength issues on some of the larger caliber guns, but the right kind of weight work of the right type can help with that. And is.

She's deadly with a CZ85 or her Ruger MK.III. Caught on faster than a lot of guys I've instructed or others I've watched.

Same was true for the 2 dozen new women shooters in the local bullseye competition. They all garnered most improved or won trophies and were into shooting just this past year.

Didn't practice except dry fire and regular fundementals. Didn't fire many rounds at all before climbing into the game and beating the bejesus out of us who've been at it longer. Includes the .45ACP bullseye shooters who've been doing it all their life.

www.corneredcat.com and www.womenandguns.com have either a lot of info gathered for women and guys or just for the gals of importance.
 
Me and my wife had a conversation the other day about this. Not just shooting, but how women and men approach the same thing differently.

I think the lack of testicles give a woman an advantage in just about anything that is usually considered a "man thing".

She usually has no ego to get in the way and will usually approach a "man thing" with a more open mind and a better attitude along with the desire to do a "man thing" better than any man could just out of spite.

My wife agreed.
 
I am a woman, but you need to bear in mind that I'm not a very typical woman (when I take those various personality tests I score all logical/analytical or so far over on the male side as to be pushing Aspberger's :lol: ).

First, there is hand size and upper body strength -- which may or may not correlate with each other. My hands are small, but fairly strong. I can pull pretty much any trigger I can reach. But I'm not going to get a S&W, J-frame, snubby for my carry gun no matter how much I respect the S&W reputation because I can just barely reach the trigger and because while I can, just, pull that heavy, double-action trigger I don't like it.

Some women with longer fingers than mine may be weaker than I am and unable to pull that trigger at all while others may have equal strength and be better able to do it because the gun is a better fit.

Second, many women, especially those who don't have a farm or blue-collar background, don't think of themselves as capable of working with tools and machines. (More and more men even are managing to grow up unfamiliar with tools and handyman jobs too). Guns are often totally outside their frame of reference and thus they feel the need of a guide who is in some way like them to establish a path towards understanding those utterly foreign objects.

Third, many women care deeply about what others think about them -- regardless of who those others are. They don't want anyone to ever see them looking silly. And since the interaction between the sexes has a very large, hard-wired, biological component many women are very concerned, consciously or unconsciously, to never seem ignorant or silly in front of a man. So they want female instructors and all-female classes.

Fourth, modern, western culture exaggerates the power of guns. In movies and on TV all guns go BANG! and throw themselves back with powerful recoil so that's what people expect. No one has ever told them that a gun firing .22lr just goes pop or crack and twitches a bit. 15 years or so ago I was eager to learn to shoot a pistol but still expected an experience like wrestling at least a small alligator and I can vividly recall thinking, "That's all?" after firing the first shot. So there is a definite element of uncertainty, often even fear.

For many women, seeing another woman successfully wrestling the alligator inspires confidence.

Fifth, for some classes and subcultures, there is a lingering element of the idea that women are delicate, that a "manly" activity like shooting would coarsen them and spoil their beauty, and that women should exhibit a sort of learned helplessness as a sign of their femininity (which ends up being a tool to manipulate the men in their lives). Contrary to stereotypes, I see this more often among the moneyed classes than among the laboring classes because farm and blue-collar families are accustomed to seeing the same woman who pitched in competently on a rough and dirty job all dressed up and perfectly ladylike when the occasion calls for it. These women need living proof that shooting won't ruin their hair, break all their nails, or make their boyfriends reject them.

Sixth, because many women tend to care more about what others think they are often more vulnerable to emotionally-based cultural messages that guns are evil.

Seventh, modern, western culture is hyper-sensitive about avoiding danger and pain. Most boys learn that danger is often manageable with good planning and that pain can be dealt with by playing sports, skateboarding, and all the rough and rowdy things that even the most determined helicopter-mommy can't prevent boys from trying. ;) But a significant number of girls manage to reach adulthood without having ever broken a bone, gotten a cut that required stitches, pulling a muscle, or otherwise experiencing injury and recovery while never taking a risk greater than crossing a city street. They don't know where to begin in handling something that they perceive as dangerous and potentially painful and the sheer unfamiliarity exaggerates those things in their minds. Being with other women helps them explore this unfamiliar territory.

But for all these women who, for one reason or another, benefit from female instructors and all-female classes there are still a sizable number of women like me who have, throughout their lives, frequently found themselves the only woman in a group of guys doing something, couldn't care less about what the people around them are thinking about them, and who need no special attention except to deal with disparities of size and strength or, as came up with my search for a carry gun, issues of body shape and clothing. :)
 
I've had two wives and a sister that were absolutely scared to death to change a tire for fear of the car falling on them or whatever. My first wife refused to ride or drive a tractor because she was scared to death of those tires visibly turning right beside her.

On the other hand, my first wife, the tractor-phobe, loved to shoot. My second/current wife grew up with tractors and showed pigs in 4H but is kinda scared of guns...although she's shot my 30-30, my .38 etc.

I really don't think it is a "female" thing at all. Boys are raised to fiddle with metal tools and in general girls are not so I thing this all "nurture" rather than "nature". In my experience, women are more afraid of changing tires than shooting guns...FWIW.
 
Does anyone know if there's any danger to pregnant women? I'd think that certain types of recoil and possible inhalation of lead would be concerns, but they may be negligible.
 
I am a woman, who is 5'9" tall, about 150 pounds, and always very athletic.

Growing up in NJ, guns were taught as taboo...always very afraid...met my husband, and moved to SC...everything changed. My husband is retired military, (security police), and LOVES to shoot..he took me to a range, and the rest is history...got my CWP, carry my tomcat everyday and just bought a holster for my PT111. I also bought a 1911, which upon firing, scared me, so my husband uses it as his main carry...

The more recoil, the more scared I get...it will just take practice, and I love practicing....I was taught by a man, took my classes all by men, and don't think I would have learned any different from a woman..
 
Tribal:

My understanding of pregnant women shooting is that it's not so much the recoil but noise/lead exposure. I believe it's okay in short bouts especially in a well ventilated or outside range but it may be best to avoid for the duration of the pregnancy. With that comes the disclaimer that i'm not an ob/gyn and whoever is the shooter should clear it with their doctor first.
 
Thanks, all, for your replies.

I guess in a way, compared to more explicitly physical sports, shooting can help bring gender out of the equation.

3KillerBs, that's very insightful. It helps explain a lot of things. Back in high school and earlier (not so long ago, I'm only 21 now) I remember that during gym class, most girls hardly even tried, even in non-contact sports/games where they ran no risk of being tackled by a cocky male teen. There was the odd sporty girl who did their best but otherwise pretty much every gym class confirmed what you mention in your post.
 
When it comes to shooting most women are all business and no flash.

+1 on that. Most just want to hit the target. The biggest disadvantages are lack of familiarity with weapons in general (not to say that men are immune from that, though generally they will ACT like they know what they're doing even though they don't). The strength issue can be a problem with racking the slide or pulling a DA trigger. I've found that more women are more comfortable with the idea of cocked and locked long framed s/auto (since the long frame usually means an lighter recoil spring making racking the action easier) than they are of a D/A revolver with no manual safeties.
 
3KillerBs,
That was one of the best explanations I have read. Thank you.

Tribal,
Not enough research has been done to really say for certain. With the increasing numbers of women in law enforcement and the military, where they may be compelled to qualify when pregnant, whether they know they are pregnant at the time or not, the concern demands research. And I mean good, hard scientific research, not just opinions and conjecture.

I attempted a couple of years back to bring together some of the pieces to the puzzle regarding the dangers of shooting while pregnant in this blog article. It seems the real risks are noise and lead exposure. Still, I am far from an expert, and my conclusion was simply that the possibility of fetal compromise was present. The risks of permanent damage to the fetus just do not seem to be outweighed by the benefits of participating in the activity while pregnant. As a result, I personally would not tell any woman it was safe to shoot in large quantities, especially at indoor ranges. Hopefully, some hard scientific studies will someday be done.
 
people are not naturally afraid to be with around, in front of guns,
this includes women. Why not? I don't think that women are incapable of building the strength to fire a large caliber hand cannon if it indeed isn't already there.
 
My sister-in-law was told by her OB/GYN to avoid shooting since it "hurts" the babies ears. Since water carries sound very well, a baby hears the shots louder than we do, and they can't cover their ears. I thought it was a bunch of balogna until I took my now pregnant wife to the range and when we started shooting, the baby violently reacted inside of her. Each shot seemed to send him into a panic of thrusts and turns. Needless to say, my wife wasn't on the range for more than a few minutes. She won't be going back until he's born.:)
 
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