fallout mike
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If open carry is legal , then why would he be before a judge and jury for walking down the street with a AR?
How do yall know they won't drive after drinking? I've had 5 friends murdered at the hands of drunk drivers in 5 separate accidents. It happens quite a bit.
Hmm - is it fairer on society to allow a very free access to firearms which then permits drunks, angry spouses, children and fools to kill innocent people?Highgate, the more restrictive gun laws in england is only fairer to the criminals. But hey, at least yall fit in more socially.
Number of Murders, United States, 2009: 15,241
Number of Murders by Firearms, US, 2009: 9,146
Number of Murders, Britain, 2008*: 648
(Since Britain’s population is 1/5 that of US, this is equivalent to 3,240 US murders)
Number of Murders by firearms, Britain, 2008* 39
(equivalent to 195 US murders)
:screwy:A statistician might disagree, but I would take this data to suggest that easier access to firearms increases the murder rate very significantly.
Heller said it's not an unrestricted right, so there can be specific areas where open carry is illegal.If open carry is legal , then why would he be before a judge and jury for walking down the street with a AR?
Dang, the assumptions.Originally Posted by mdauben
...the individual doing such an obviously illegal act is unbalanced and planning on using that gun on people.
He was also discussing the right to carry a firearm. He was also assuming that a person carrying a firearm is, by default, up to no good.That is frightening. Can you imagine, just walking up and down the street, knowing that 90% of the people you pass has a deadly weapon and you could be their next target?
I am not going to promote or assist in enforcing this malum prohibidum nonsense
So...let me get this straight: 80 million gun owners vs. a statistically insignificant number of folks who commit mass murder. But you see a guy with a rifle and you're more comfortable assuming that he's one of the handful of whackos, not one of the millions upon millions of good guys? Even given his less common choice to travel from point A to point B with his rifle slung instead of slipped into a cloth bag, I can't see the logic.
Anyone openly carrying a banned weapon on a campus is not there for doing anything good. If it is a prop for the drill team, I assure you the security involved, the person with the prop, and all the parents of the students at that University will have no problem with the error on the side of safety. The true disheartening thing here is that so many wave the flag and beat the drum when it comes to the second amendment, but want to ignore the rest of the constitution that applies to the implementation of laws, our judicial system and the rights of others. You can't have it both ways...just because "you don't agree". To ignore and to allow illegal activities is condoning it. By condoning it one is promoting it. Sad that so much of this goes on here @ THR, especially when it's by those in a position of power.
....and that makes it right? Is it a badge of honor to you that you break laws "quite frequently" and that folks turn a blind eye to it? Wow.........People turn a blind eye to other people breaking laws every single day and most break laws themselves quite frequently, to be honest including myself.
So, I guess this particular law of not carrying a firearm on a university campus is special to some people and more important to report than the other laws - mostly because it is a "a weapon condusive to mass carnage " and, OMG!, a school campus. Sounds like stuff coming straight out of the Brady Campaign to me.
Let's say you are at your next door neighbor's house for a BBQ, and he brings out an evil black AR-15 rifle, bolt open, unloaded, not pointed at anybody. And he says, "Man, check this out! I went to my son's house for my birthday and this is what he gave me for a birthday present!"
You know his son lives in Oklahoma and you and next door neighbor live in Texas. "Hey, ummm...Bob...did you get that rifle transferred to you by an FFL?" Bob, "What?!? Hell no, he's my son, he just gave it to me for my birthday, what the hell are you talking about, Fred?"
Are you going to call the cops?
Or, how about this.... what if the person carrying the evil black AR-15 slung over their shoulder on the college campus where it is illegal was a person you knew and you knew they must be making a mistake and not purposely violating the law? Oh I know...none of you know someone who would do something that stupid, right?
Why do we put more importance on some laws than others? If it is so importanct to call the police when you see someone breaking a law, then you should be calling the police everytime someone passes you in the left lane when you are doing the speed limit in the right lane. Would should call the police every time you see someone roll through a stop sign. You should call the police everytime you buy something on the internet from out of state and don't pay the required use tax on it (every state that has a sales tax also has an equivelent use tax) and turn yourself in.
That was the point of framing those examples. The provided example of the op doesn't support the preferred conclusion, so ones of significantly different nature had to be provided.Those scenarios have a known conclusion as compared to the scenario given in the OP. One must live in reality. One also has to use reasonable judgement.
BUT many here ARE doing so. They are making a choice that this is probably someone who needs to be taken off the streets and locked away for a long time -- and then denied any firearm rights for life -- because they are probably up to no good. If we're going to go assuming, MY assumption is by VERY FAR, the more statistically likely.
You are waiting in line at the US Post Office and a man walks through the door and gets in line with a handgun in a holster on his belt. Do you call the police?
if he came through the door with a rifle........then yes, absolutely i would call the police.....a rifle slung over your shoulder is not something you forget about, so carrying it anywhere is 100% intentional.
Why doesn't shooting just one chosen victim count? How many kids have to be killed before they matter?Shootings where a specific victim was choosen doesn't count as well as a gun found in a locker or backpack.
No, because the local cops can't enforce the Code of Federal Regulations.