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I'm having a bit of a dilemma here involving a pistol and I could use some advice. First, the back story.

I had a really good friend who died recently. He (the son) was the son of a career military man (the father.) He was an only son. He was in his late 20's just like me.

His father spent 16 years in the Navy as an officer during the Cold War, and was a National Guardsman during Desert Storm right up until the Iraq War, which at that point he had retired from the National Guard. He was a Weapons Inspector in Iraq in 2003, and was then diagnosed with bone cancer. He died in 2009 from the bone cancer.

My friend (the son) received a Batchelor's in Physical Science from his college right before his father died. I sincerely believe that the father was hanging on to see him receive a degree, because he died a week after the ceremony. When his father passed, he remained living in the father's home, everything where his father left it. His father had left him a substantial amount of money, so he spent two years unemployed and becoming gradually more withdrawn.

Due to recent events, it seems his father's death hit him a lot more than we all expected.

The son committed suicide. I found out because his mother called me out of the blue. She had never called me before in my life. Being the person I am, I told her I would help any way I could.

That's what I ended up doing. The mother couldn't handle the stress of properly cleaning out the property, so it fell upon myself and the group of friends we had grown up with. There is something to be said about learning about the career of a man you had barely met and finding out that you would have really liked to meet that person, but you can't.

See, I'm a career man too. Not only was the son one of my best friends, but I felt a strong sense of duty to square this all away for the mother because the father was a fellow service member. She has no family left, but at least she's got a little part of the Army. I'm in no way trying to glorify myself, I just believe that for the situation I'm building up to asking about, this is relevant.

The local PD investigated and closed the suicide case. My friend had used a 1911 pistol to do it. The mother consented to release the pistol to me. And two days ago I went and picked it up from the PD.

I cleaned it late in the night so no one but me would see it. I'm a married man and one of my really good friends who helped in all of this is our room mate (economy sucks right now,) and I felt that being the trained one and the leader of this whole thing, it was my responsibility to do it. I've been deployed, been in firefights, had the sky exploding around me and been scared as anyone could be... but I have to admit that the most dread I have ever felt in my life was staring at that cardboard evidence box and preparing to open it.

It's clean now. I haven't shot it. I might not ever shoot it. But my main question for everyone here is, "What would you do with it?"

It's obviously a carry gun. It has a great finish with telltale signs of holster wear, but not bad wear. I know it was the father's, and was passed to the son. He wasn't much of a gun guy due to his political views (One of the big things I miss was the lively debates.) I had shot it before this incident, and it shoots like you would expect a 1911 made by Colt to shoot: well.

I'm looking for advice. I honestly feel like it's almost like a clan sword that has no clan anymore, and that I'm supposed to keep it safe. But I also know what it was used for. BUT, I also know that it's just a tool and that tools don't do work, people do.

Thank you for reading this and taking the time to answer.
 
Sorry for your loss

as you said, it is a tool which can be used for good or bad. Keep it and use it for good. When you shoot it, and you should, remember your friend. Use it to keep you and yours safe. I think if you sold it now you might regret it later. If you can't deal with it right now put it somewhere safe and take it out when you are ready.
 
It was the honorable thing to help the mother thru this. You didnt have to, but it probably helped her more than you know. For some people the military is the closest family they have. My condolances to you and the family.

Dont keep it just to remember your friend. His soul does not lie within the gun. The memory of your friend is in your heart. He wasnt into firearms, this is not a suitable memorial.

Personally I would keep it. Its just a bunch of metal. But if seeing it only reminds you of the way your friend left the world get rid of it. Dont tell the backstory to the new owner, they dont need to know.
 
It was the honorable thing to help the mother thru this. You didnt have to, but it probably helped her more than you know. For some people the military is the closest family they have. My condolances to you and the family.

Dont keep it just to remember your friend. His soul does not lie within the gun. The memory of your friend is in your heart. He wasnt into firearms, this is not a suitable memorial.

Personally I would keep it. Its just a bunch of metal. But if seeing it only reminds you of the way your friend left the world get rid of it. Dont tell the backstory to the new owner, they dont need to know.
Well, a bit more to this...

He wasn't nearly the gun nut I am, this is true. But he loved this gun, and his dad taught him how to shoot it, clean it, the works.
 
Obviously you have to do what you think is right and I am assuming that you already have a gun/s for the protection of you and yours. If you are asking what I would do in that same situation then this is what I would do.

I would sell the gun. I personally would not want a "memento" of the event. My father committed suicide using a gun in 1999 and I know that I certainly did not want that gun. I am in no way trying to blame the gun, I simply didn't want that gun. There are plenty of other fish in the sea.

Again this is if it were me, I would use the money from the sale to buy two trees and a bench. I would plant the trees, one for the father and one for the son, in the mothers yard and place the bench nearby as kind of a memorial to the men of her life. If you really don't think she would like this then I would donate the money to either a cancer or suicide prevention foundation. That's what I would do.

With that being said, you know that family better than any of us and must do what you think is right.

I am extremely sorry to hear about the loss of your friend.

Shawn
 
The way I see it, there are two choices in the matter.

One: view it as a tool, which it is. If it was a carry gun, or beloved by the friend, see it as that reminder of what you had with him, like a remaining mutual friend. There for him up until his last moment. Respect it and remember your friend through it.

Two: remember that it is a tool--used to end a life. Which it is. He may have loved that gun, and had it during the good and bad points of his life, but it can also be a reminder of its use or what was taken.

If it were me, I would probably end up selling it, or giving it to a friend with viewpoint one. Yes, it's just a tool, but it's also a physical reminder. Would you use the wood chipper that your grandpa stumbled into?

Decide how you feel. Then either shoot it or frame it as reverence to the times shared, or sell it to be rid of the bad memory and perhaps use the money to build up a gun 'just like he always wanted' to return to the good.
 
It seems to me that this is a perfect example of ying and yang. Glass half empy or glass half full. You have the positive, honorable side and the other. There are always two sides. The decision lies with you. Which side or which story will you choose to focus on, the positive, honorable side or the other?

Henry Ford once said "whether you think you can or think you can't, you are probably correct." Dr. Wayne Dyer said "where the mind goes, energy flows."

Which path will you take?
 
He wasn't nearly the gun nut I am, this is true. But he loved this gun, and his dad taught him how to shoot it, clean it, the works.
^I wonder if he loved that particular make/model or the fact that it was one of his father's treasures?

"where the mind goes, energy flows."
^I like this. What do you remember when you hold this gun?
 
I would keep it and use it and remember the good times before the father became ill and passed. It is like you said, it's a tool but people do the work. Think of your friend fondly and keep his family herlume in yours.
 
For myself, I would not have an "all or nothing" approach with this. I think the issue here is what can be tastefully done with the gun.

I believe the most valuable firearms are the ones with stories. Additionally, how can the story be useful and applied in the present and future?

1. Perhaps you can put it in your carry rotations during bone cancer awareness and suicide prevention months.
2. If you go the range often and you are a ceremonial type of person, fire a shot to commemorate the father and son's birthdays annually.

Keep in mind, this can be done on a very personal level or you can include loved ones - whatever your comfort level is.

Lastly, when the time is right, pass the gun down to someone who is equipped to handle story and the honor.
 
I would sell the gun and give the money to the grieving mother and wife. After all she lost her husband and her son.
 
The gun wasn't at fault. It was the tool he chose. I still take sleep pills when i can't sleep and occasionally I drink some whiskey. Despite these being tools of suicide for some, I manage. I guess I would just shoot it. If you get enjoyment from shooting it, I think both father and son would want that for you.
 
Again this is if it were me, I would use the money from the sale to buy two trees and a bench. I would plant the trees, one for the father and one for the son, in the mothers yard and place the bench nearby as kind of a memorial to the men of her life. If you really don't think she would like this then I would donate the money to either a cancer or suicide prevention foundation. That's what I would do.

This is a great idea
 
If you feel you need the gun to remember your friend then keep it and shoot it. If you stick it in a safe and don't use it it may have a dark cloud over it every time you look at it. If you don't need the gun to remember your friend, then sell it, forget the gun and remember the good times with your friend.
 
I can partially relate to this. I work at a university in the Pacific northwest and, about a month ago, a colleague of mine killed one of our graduate students and then took his own life. One of his older guns is still on sale in a local store. The owner bought it from him before the incident. Every time I walk into the store, I get a weird feeling just knowing he owned it.

I have also recently moved into his old office. In going through his things and cleaning out the office, I found it very difficult to use any of his old equipment. The police have already had their way with his computer so there are no worries there, but I just feel strange using it. I gave the office chair to someone else who needed a new one.

I would have a difficult time carrying or shooting the 1911 in question. I think all I would do is leave it in the back of the safe.
 
My best friend of 15 years killed himself on Sept 19 2009. Tomorrow is the two year anniversary. He used his springfield Armory XD45. When the investigation was done his parents didnt want the pistol so they released it to me. I can agree with you that scrubbing your friends tissue and blood off a gun is not pleasant.

I shoot it all the time and, in fact, it reminds of better times with my friend. Its also my wifes favorite pistol, she sleeps with it on her table next to the bed.
 
Very simular

I still own and shoot a few guns that I got in all too simular manner.

I CHOSE to honor them by using and carrying the gun that they chose.

I view it as a warriors choice,and that is what I would want them to do if they 'inherited' by tools.

How would you treat a hammer that was owned by one you cherished,but used to drive in the spike they hung them self by.

I honor them by using the tool as it was designed.

And I take solace in their memory as I do use and carry them.


Might save my life someday and that would be poetic justic,imnsho.

btw I was the one that cleaned up the "scene" and that is still a nightmare as I was also the one to find him !.
 
First off, thank you all for your replies. I didn't mean to ask for free advice therapy, but that's what I'm getting and I'd be a not-so-nice-word-for-a-donkey not to take it. I do, however, appreciate it. :)

My friend had an attachment to the pistol not because of what it was, but because it was his father's. I know that for a fact, and I think that is part of why I've decided to keep it. It's inadvertently become a keepsake.

By the way, for anyone curious about this kind of situation: Make sure to wear a face mask, eye protection, and gloves when shooting a freshly-cleaned firearm. I didn't have any nasty surprises, but you never know.

I took it and shot it this morning. I found myself thinking about how he always wanted to compete in IPSC and IDPA, but didn't have the equipment or the knowledge to start. However, I do. I like that idea a lot, and I'm going to give it a go. Who knows, maybe I'll win a big prize with it in a shooting tournament? If I do, I'll be sure to donate it accordingly. (None stand out in my mind at the moment, but definitely grief counseling, suicide prevention, and cancer foundations.)

The pistol itself doesn't seem to bother me, but for some reason the magazine did. It bothered me enough that I bought two fresh ones and threw the original away. I also bought some Hogue grips for it. The original wood grips are still in great shape, but I'm not savvy on how much fluid wood absorbs, so I just avoided the problem.

Once again, thank you all for your advice. It's been a great help, even the differing opinions. It really did help me to look at this objectively and from other angles I hadn't thought of.
 
When a gun is used to take a man's life, it will have a story behind it. Whenever a gun has a story behind it, the story is going to be a dark one. There is never any positive outcomes when a firearm is involved in the death of a fellow man. You are a person who has some firearms experience, therefore you must understand that one of the main responsibilities of firearms ownership is being able to cope with the very real possibility that firearms can and will take another person's life. It's a shame your friend decided to turn it against himself and I offer my condolences for your loss. That gun now has a dark past and if selling it or getting rid of it can ease the horrible reminder, that may be the best thing to do.

Edit: I'm glad you found recreational use for the gun. If anything, try to embody the good memories of friendship you had with your buddy when you shoot it. Don't see it as a reminder of the incident, but more of a memento of being able to meet a new friend and the times you spent together. :)
 
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I would keep it, as far as the meanings surrounding it thats going to be personnal and I have no advice to give you.

I live in the house I was raised in and my mother was raised in, been in the family for over a century and there is many personal items that belonged to my mother and grandparents, but of course none of them are about bad menories.

Only you can answer this question.
 
I'm a firearm instructor. I would keep it; I would not shoot it.

I would ask his family's permission to use it in class. I would tell students that this gun--this gun--was used by the son of my good friend, while he was grieving, to kill himself. I would use that as an intro to talk about safe-storage from unauthorized users, and about the danger of firearms to the suicidal. I think nothing in a class could possibly have more impact, or be more memorable. And I think that would serve his memory.

I am not sure what can be done to change the problem of suicide by firearm. Maybe nothing. But, when a cousin of mine was grieving, I was asked by my family to talk to him, specifically about maybe taking his firearms for a while.

He smiled sadly. "Don't worry. The last thing this family needs is another death." So I left it alone. But I'm glad I asked, and I think he was, too.

I am so sorry for the family, and for you. May G-d heal.
 
Friend killchain,

I am sorry for your loss.

I have the revolver that my older brother used to end his life. I take it out a few times a year and wipe it down, and then put it back in the safe. I have never fired it.
 
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