would you trade a Walther PP for a Bersa?
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I don't know, Terry, the Walthers I have are supposed to have been made in Ulm, Germany. They were not made in France.
Wil Terry
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YEP, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT DOES SAY ULM GERMANY
BUT I'M TELLING YOU THEY WERE MADE IN FRANCE BY MANURHIN, TAKE IT TO THE BANK!!!
Furththermore, you know all of those P38 [ P1's ] with the Walther banner all over 'em that have been imported during the last ten years were also made by MANURHIN in France.
After Walther had a falling out with MUNURHIN 10 oR 12 years ago they didn't make 'em in a [ non existant ] German plant, they came to America and set up a plant in Arkansas to make PPKs's and sold 'em through INTERARMCO.
MANURHIN has made guns for many folks over the years and they may well be the only thing to come from france that amounted to a pinch of shiq. I am a direct desendent of Charlemagne's and I wouldn't spit on a frenchman if his guts were on fire! For those who disagree I refer you to WWI and WWII, it was in all the papers, guys...
BUT I'M TELLING YOU THEY WERE MADE IN FRANCE BY MANURHIN, TAKE IT TO THE BANK!!!
Furththermore, you know all of those P38 [ P1's ] with the Walther banner all over 'em that have been imported during the last ten years were also made by MANURHIN in France.
After Walther had a falling out with MUNURHIN 10 oR 12 years ago they didn't make 'em in a [ non existant ] German plant, they came to America and set up a plant in Arkansas to make PPKs's and sold 'em through INTERARMCO.
MANURHIN has made guns for many folks over the years and they may well be the only thing to come from france that amounted to a pinch of shiq. I am a direct desendent of Charlemagne's and I wouldn't spit on a frenchman if his guts were on fire! For those who disagree I refer you to WWI and WWII, it was in all the papers, guys...
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PP for a Bersa?
DON'T!!!
DON'T!!!
The parts were manufactured in France. The guns were proofed in Germany. That was the arrangement for most of those years due to the agreements made by the Germans at the end of WW2 where they agreed not to manufacture firearms for a period of time. Production restarted in the mid eighties at the German facilities. The Walther afficionado page has the details. http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/2188/index.html
PPK importation was affected by the GCA of '68, but, not the PP. PPs, however, were being imported from Germany.
PPK importation was affected by the GCA of '68, but, not the PP. PPs, however, were being imported from Germany.
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Jeff OTMG
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Terry is correct. The PP parts are MADE in France, but having owned both German built and French built PP's the German built guns do seem to be finished to a higher level of polish, then of course there are the German proof marks. The German gun does bring a higher price than a French gun.
In fact, back when I had an FFL I was buying the French guns for $165 while the German guns were $185. These were police dept trade ins and were stamped with a dept stamp. The latest batches that I have seen, I have bought two of them, are not stamped. One of mine was LNIB, I couldn't tell if it had ever been fired, CDNN was $229 or $239.
firestar, if you really want to sell yours, let me know. I might be interested, they are great little pistols. Shoot, I might even give you more than $189 for it.
In fact, back when I had an FFL I was buying the French guns for $165 while the German guns were $185. These were police dept trade ins and were stamped with a dept stamp. The latest batches that I have seen, I have bought two of them, are not stamped. One of mine was LNIB, I couldn't tell if it had ever been fired, CDNN was $229 or $239.
firestar, if you really want to sell yours, let me know. I might be interested, they are great little pistols. Shoot, I might even give you more than $189 for it.
Wil Terry
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OH SHUCKS GUYS, I FORGOT TO MENTION MY SCHITZO VALTHER PP
I own a " Walther " PP 7.65MM pistol with all MANURHIN markings down the left side, [ stocks too ] and all Walther markings down the right side, stock included. This was a police pistol, pun intended, from the '60's I bought at OGCA maybe 15 or 20 years ago. It also has weird shooting characteristics; at 7 yards it'll put a magazine of 32ACP GOLDDOTS into one hole dead upon the sight picture; at 25 yards it will NOT hit a 2' by 2' target backer with the same loads. This pistol does believe itself to be a target pistol with the GECO 7.65MM FMJ loads though. These GECO loads chronograph right at 1000fps from that PP's barrel and penetrate out the wazoo.
I own a " Walther " PP 7.65MM pistol with all MANURHIN markings down the left side, [ stocks too ] and all Walther markings down the right side, stock included. This was a police pistol, pun intended, from the '60's I bought at OGCA maybe 15 or 20 years ago. It also has weird shooting characteristics; at 7 yards it'll put a magazine of 32ACP GOLDDOTS into one hole dead upon the sight picture; at 25 yards it will NOT hit a 2' by 2' target backer with the same loads. This pistol does believe itself to be a target pistol with the GECO 7.65MM FMJ loads though. These GECO loads chronograph right at 1000fps from that PP's barrel and penetrate out the wazoo.
I've decided not to trade for the Bersa. I am not a fan of the .380 and not a fan of blowback .380s in particular. If I were ever going to get a .380, it would still be the Bersa. I think it is the most comfortable .380 on the market, the SIG 230/232 are about the same, very natural in the hand but they cost mas mucho!
I really like 9mm because of the power and the cost of ammo. I need a small light 9mm. If I got the Bersa, I would not be 100% happy and I would try to trade it for a gun that I wanted more. I might as well sell the PP or trade it directly on the gun I really want in the first place.
I really like 9mm because of the power and the cost of ammo. I need a small light 9mm. If I got the Bersa, I would not be 100% happy and I would try to trade it for a gun that I wanted more. I might as well sell the PP or trade it directly on the gun I really want in the first place.
Jeff OTMG
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I need a small light 9mm.
Be sure to check out a Kahr PM9 or for the ultimate in a pocket carry 9mm the Rohrbaugh.
Be sure to check out a Kahr PM9 or for the ultimate in a pocket carry 9mm the Rohrbaugh.
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Mike Irwin
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Would I make that trade?
HELL NO.
HELL NO.
Rick Blaine
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I got my Walther PPK .380 in the mid-1980's, and it has served me well. Never failed once. It was the right decision to keep the German .32 PP around and maybe buy the Bersa outright. I appreciate the Walther designs, at least the classics, maybe not the current stuff.
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