Wow! I have a great wife! But now, I need help with a deer rifle..

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My wife had expressed interest in the past with going hunting. Just something she had kind of mentioned. But, now she has gone as far as looking into where and when hunters safety classes are offered around here. On her own!

After some discussion, and looking at season dates, we decided that it would be best to start out with just deer, and that we would stick to modern firearms, rather than having her jump right into black powder, which is what I have done for elk each year.

Now, here is where she is really cool. She has much more pistol experience than rifle experience, and she has proven to be somewhat recoil sensitive in her long gun experience. My plan, being a cheap guy, has always been to get her something like a .270 when the time comes, to use as a deer/elk rifle. Knowing her recoil problems, she asked if it was possible for her to get a smaller caliber rifle now to get used to for deer.

After I agreed, she smiled and said, 'Besides, then you would have an excuse later to get a seperate gun for me just for Elk, right?'

How was I so lucky to find this girl??? :D

But, here is my quandry. The only rifles I really have experience with are .270, .30-06 and 7mm Rem Mag. I don't know how recoils compare in smaller calibers.

I have done enough research to have narrowed things down to the following calibers: .243, .25-06, 7mm-08, and .308. Personally, I have always wanted a .25-06, but, from what I have heard, recoil is not much less than a .270.

My next choice is 7mm-08. Seems like a neat caliber, that would do all I need it to do. The only problem is a lack of factory loadings around here. It is pretty slim pickings for anything less than a .270 around here. That also applies to .243. You don't see a lot of them used around here.

Which leaves .308. It is readily available. AND, it could be a deer/elf rifle.

So, what I am really looking for input about is, assuming a standard 7.5-8 pound bolt rifle, how do these calibers compare recoil wise?

Thanks for everyone's help.

Oh, and please don't recommend something cool like .22-250...needs to be at least .24 caliber here in Washington for anything other than cougar.



greg
 
My recommendation is the .260 Remington. Deadly on whitetails with 120- to 140-grain bullets, capable on elk with 160-grain bullets. Very light recoil, great sectional density for penetration. I personally favor compact rifles in this cartridge and would lean toward the Win M70 Compact, the Ruger M77 MkII Compact, the Remington Model Seven, or, if your tastes run to the higher-priced spreads, the Kimber 84M. All are light and handy.
 
i'd go w/ a 7-08, and a rockchucker master reloader press.

the 25-06 doesn't kick all that bad. it is more than a 7-08, and less than a 270. when loaded to around 2900-3000 f/s w/ 100 grain pills, it is pretty comfortable.

my wife has shot my 25-06 and 7 rem mag. she won't touch the 7 mag again, but she has hinted that maybe next time we get to a dog town she might like to touch a few off w/ the 25. 243 recoils very much like the 25-06.

anyway, i'd reccomend 7-08, 25-06, and 308 in that order. if you reload, or start reloading, the 7-08 can become very versatile, and possibly even elk capable as well.
 
Which leaves .308. It is readily available. AND, it could be a deer/elf rifle

I have found the .308 Winchester to be overkill for elves.
 
I have found the .308 Winchester to be overkill for elves.

Those darn elves! :)

Seriously, I wouldn't recommend hunting elk with a .243 or 7mm-08. Need a bit more pop - .270 or .308 would be ideal, but it kicks almost as much as .30-06.
 
As a deer rifle, the .250 Savage is great.
It has killed well out to 200 yards for me, and has mild recoil. It also has a reputation for great accuracy. My Ruger M77 RL lives up to it, until the thin barrel heats up.

Rifles in .250 aren't always easy to find. Brass isn't always available everywhere either, but factory ammo is still made. Remington 100 grain stuff suits my rifle very well.
 
I agree with all of the above posters. My choice was a Ruger 77 compact in 257 Roberts. A great deer round with little recoil and good deer balistics.
You really cant go wrong with a 260 or 7mm-08 either. I have found that 308 Win is a little to much recoil in a light rifle for my wife or son
 
Only1asterisk beat me to it. 6.5x55 or .260Rem would be an excellent choice for good results with lowish recoil. A .257 Roberts, like biggun suggested would present even less recoil in a similar weight rifle.

6.5x55 has a little more case capacity then .308 Winchester, but with a smaller bore (bullet) diameter the piston effect does produce less felt recoil. Exterior ballistics on 6.5 Swede are remarkably similar to .270 Winchester, if not a little better in some spots. It's cheaper to feed in terms of powder used that the .270 also, if you're handloading. Sectional density and ballistic coefficient for 6.5 bullets are incredible. It'll make a deep hole without hurting your shoulder. My wife shoots a 6.5x55 and she's only 5'3".

Consider a Winchester Model 70 or Ruger M77 with better than average optics and you'll make her very happy, most likely.

Regards,
Rabbit.
 
Another vote for the 260. My wife bought a Rem700 titanium in 260. Very little recoil and light to pack around. Need to handload for best results although federals offerings shoot very well.
 
30-06 magnaported & with Pachmayr Decelerator rubber buttpad. She'll be able to handle it.
 
My wife is doing well with her full size Ruger .308 and our 11 year old son is doing well with a Rem. 700 Youth 7mm-08, although I download his ammo a bit. Both guns have the correct length of pull for their respective statures, both have decent recoil pads (the wife likes the Decelerator), and they both practice using a PAST recoil shield. My wife probably wouldn't have any trouble without the recoil shield, but I wanted to take recoil concerns totally out of the picture. If your wife will hunt during cold weather or with a day pack, the recoil shield simulates the thickness of heaving clothing or the strap of a day pack, so the eye relief on the scope can be set up for use with the recoil shield, and it'll be the same in the field.
 
The wife of one of my dad's long-time hunting partners had a .257 Roberts she used to take whitetail and pronghorn. She was literally about 4' 10" and did fine with it. My sister-in-law is a bit scrawny, and has used a .243 without ill effect.
 
a good rifle is easier to find than a good wife.
My 4'11" 103# wife had a great attitude when she decided to join me in hunting deer and antelope. She said, just pick out whatever you think I should shoot and I'll learn to shoot it.
She's deadly with my old Win model 70 .243 but a Ruger 77 in .270 doesn't bother her either. start out with low power handloads and work up.
 
Get the .308

You won't regret the short bolt throw, the excellent platform for any future mods, the variety of superlative .30 cal bullets, the plethora of reloading data and dope available for the round..



And then you can borrow it, and go to rifle school!!
 
Everybody needs a .308!

I don't think you can go wrong with it. It really has very little recoil compared to a .270. (I do have both.) The .243, 7-08, and .308 all use the same case, just a different diameter bullet. So, if you use a lighter bullet in the .308, the recoil will be almost the same as using the same weight bullet in the others. Plus, you have the flexibility of going with the heavier bullets. And then, you can get factory ammo more easily, at least around here.

And then, when you can, get a Rockchucker. It'll open up a whole new world!
 
My wife shoots a 6.5X.223 in a Sako Vixen. The 6.5 with a Nosler 125grain partition kills anything up to 400lbs like lightning. Recoils likw a .243. I too think a .260 would be great for a factory round. It kills(deer) better than any smaller bore under a 25-06.
 
No offense people but why recomend a caliber that is impossible to find ammo for. Stick with the .243 and forget about all of these exotic cartridges that will never find at your local Walmart or Gun Shop. For the past 6 years I have been using a .223 to shoot deer. I have never needed more then 1 shot, and have always found the deer right away. It bugs me when people use more gun then is needed.
 
If you go to a smaller caliber you will go to a lighter rifle, so felt recoil may not change much. If I may suggest? A little lesson in recoil for her?

Have her hold her hand up, fingers spread and palm towards you. Double your fist, and from about two inches from her hand, hit her hand. Then put your fist in contact with her hand hit it again, and let her see how different it is. If she holds the rifle tightly she may deal with the recoil better. It is easy for beginners to push a rifle away with their off hand, instead fo pulling it into their shoulder.

Does your .270 or 30.06 have a rubber recoil pad? Maybe find some light loads and let her try the 06 again?

Maybe you chould try an sks to let her learn proper form? Auto loaders seem to recoil less.
 
Great!

Wow, thanks for all the replies so far. Now, here is where I say 'Thanks for all the help, but...'

.257 Roberts, 6.5 X 55 Swede, .260 Remington

I'm sure these are great calibers. Truthfully, I am confident enough in my wife that anything from .243 up will get the job done. The only problem I have is something that sturmruger said: These calibers are tough to find around here. And I'm not just talking Wal-Mart or Big 5 tough...I'm talking you can't even find it in stock in most of the gun shops around here.

Reloading is something that my wife has told me I can do, but we still live in an appartment. By this time next year we will be in a house, and for my birthday next year, I have already put the bug in my wife's ear that I want a reloading set.

But, I'm leary about being dependent on mail-order ammo for the next year.

30-06 magnaported & with Pachmayr Decelerator rubber buttpad

I don't know...words like 'Magnaported' and 'Pachmayr Decelerator' sound very expensive. They give me the same shivers I get when I see the words 'Water Front' and 'View' in the description for a house.

Does your .270 or 30.06 have a rubber recoil pad? Maybe find some light loads and let her try the 06 again?

Well, see...I don't really have a .270 or .30-06. I used to use borrowed ones. The only big rifle I ever owned was a Winchester Model 70 in 7mm Rem Mag, and my father was kind enough to sell that when I ran off and joined the Navy. It's one of those bummers that you can find ranges that rent pistols, but no outdoor ranges that rent rifles. :(

If you go to a smaller caliber you will go to a lighter rifle, so felt recoil may not change much.

Actually, I'm not going out looking for the newest, lightest gun for just that reason. I am hoping to find a used gun and scope, in decent shape for <$500 if possible.

As for what the deer are like, this fall we are going after Western Washington Black Tails...they are on the smaller side. But, it could be next year we decide to go after Eastern Washington Mulies, which are a whole different animal...over twice the size of an Western Black Tail.

Once again, thanks for the help so far, and feel free to keep it comming.

greg
 
I guess I am different, but I don't really consider a cartridge exotic if I can buy brass for it, much less loaded ammo. Exotic means I no choice but to form brass in no less than 6 steps, but thats me. :)

Have you given the 30-30 much thought? It fits all your critera and is about as common as crabgrass.

You can start reloading with no room and about $60. A Lee hand press kit will get you started and fit neatly into a shoebox or desk drawer. Then your wife can handle whatever you bring home 30-06 and beyond because you will control the recoil.

Also, Remington has come out with a whole line of reduced recoil loads. You would still have to mail order your wife's ammo, but you could pick yours up at wal-mart.

Mail order isn't that bad, just keep a box or two on hand and always buy more well before you run out. Hell, for the last 5 years I've never been without a source for 8x68 brass to make 35 Newton cases out of. Mail order has NEVER been better or faster.


You have options, I'm interested in seeing what you do.


David
 
We have a great bunch of guys here. I do not know if you will get a response or not but.....ask ifsomeone in your area that would meet you at a range to let your wife try some rifles?
 
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