Wow...media telling us how dangerous "reloading" can be!!
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This is all part of the same tired philosophy that members of the public cannot be trusted with the responsibility of making decisions that affect their lives and the lives of their neighbors.
The fact of the matter is that reloading, like gun ownership, is inherently hazardous. Same for driving down the freeway, except the freeway is much riskier. Unlike a driver on the freeway, a careless reloader is primarily a hazard to themselves.
I say to the implication that government should protect me from myself: no thanks.
The fact of the matter is that reloading, like gun ownership, is inherently hazardous. Same for driving down the freeway, except the freeway is much riskier. Unlike a driver on the freeway, a careless reloader is primarily a hazard to themselves.
I say to the implication that government should protect me from myself: no thanks.
Yeah...if I work on my own car and do it incorrectly...that's dangerous too.
Improperly bleed breaks can cause a car to go out of control.
Pouring gasoline in a kerosene heater won't end well either.
I'd like to know how many people are injured each year trying to fry a turkey, compared to injured due to improperly loaded ammunition.
We could go on and on and on naming things which are dangerous if not properly done....maybe we should all crawl into a corner in the fetal position and rock ourselves to sleep.
Is there any doubt that the media is full of fear mongering....and always has been.
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Ignition Override
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exbrit49:
Well done! It surprises me very much that the station had second thoughts about repeating the story.
Nobody ever accused most of our American (partly state-controlled/coordinated) media of pursuing accuracy in reporting, or being motivated to both learn and use the correct terminology of any subject matter.
With what were called "ratings sweeps" in the '90s, if still so competitive, the only goal is the advertising 'bottom line'.
Well done! It surprises me very much that the station had second thoughts about repeating the story.
Nobody ever accused most of our American (partly state-controlled/coordinated) media of pursuing accuracy in reporting, or being motivated to both learn and use the correct terminology of any subject matter.
With what were called "ratings sweeps" in the '90s, if still so competitive, the only goal is the advertising 'bottom line'.
OilyPablo
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That is fairly poor. But not a surprise as all have pointed out. Really shows the writer didn't do ANY research, spoke to some ranges and filled in the gaps with plenty of buts and ifs.
Indeed, contact the station. Sometimes they will listen to the public. Frankly if someone knows the genius guy in the shop, you may want to have a little chat with him as well.
Indeed, contact the station. Sometimes they will listen to the public. Frankly if someone knows the genius guy in the shop, you may want to have a little chat with him as well.
JTHunter
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The line about the overcharged round blowing out through the grip and taking the shooter's hand got me! I don't know of any way in a semi for the blast to get back down in the grip.
And forget that happening in a revolver!
And forget that happening in a revolver!
Shadow 7D
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That comes for Glock 40 with the case head rupture....
But it's NOT a problem of just reloaded ammo, so.. up with the lies and half truths...
Centurian22
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Wow.
tactikel
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How long until we hear about " high explosive primer cups" being sent to anybody!!! They HATE reloading because they can't control it.
RPRNY
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There is an email click to provide comments on the story. Please do so. I have suggested that the reporter is presenting an advertorial on behalf of range operators who have a vested interest in the margins on factory ammo that they sell and have sent a request the the FCC asking that they investigate the story for libel and breech of advertising standards. I also provided a link to the reloading section of Hornady website demonstrating that ammo manufacturers produce components, reloading tools and validated loading data expressly for this purpose.
No repined but the FCC inquiry may raise an eyebrow or two...
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No repined but the FCC inquiry may raise an eyebrow or two...
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Black Butte
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First, put it on the radar. Then the antis can propose legislation to ban this dangerous practice.
VINTAGE-SLOTCARS
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I sent the GM a message to please review the writers future articles, and to show where the increase of accidents occured. Since the increase of accidents and potential dangers are on the rise was the reason for the reloading bashing article. I'll post any reply.
straightShot
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Oh my goodness.
I'm standing here, shaking in front of my presses!
I'm standing here, shaking in front of my presses!
Carl N. Brown
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DANGEROUS NEW TREND!
My 1897 Sears, Roebuck & Co. catalogue has a whole section on reloading tools, equipment and supplies.
I hate it how our news media act as though we know nothing until they enlighten us with THE TRUTH that only they convey.
A dangerous new trend that started in America when Box primed cartridges (pat. England 13 Oct 1866; pat. U.S. 29 Jun 1869) became the US standard for centerfire ammunition.
Breaking News! Extra, Extra! New Panic! Read all about it!
Blech.
My 1897 Sears, Roebuck & Co. catalogue has a whole section on reloading tools, equipment and supplies.
I hate it how our news media act as though we know nothing until they enlighten us with THE TRUTH that only they convey.
A dangerous new trend that started in America when Box primed cartridges (pat. England 13 Oct 1866; pat. U.S. 29 Jun 1869) became the US standard for centerfire ammunition.
Breaking News! Extra, Extra! New Panic! Read all about it!
Blech.
This is how it starts. The media, in their continuing effort to create perceived crisis, and danger to generate viewers, ratings, and $$$ uses an issue to its own benefit and stirs up soccer moms, and the uneducated. Politicians get wind of it and use it to their advantage also in attempt to show they're "doing something" to protect their constituents. Rinse and repeat. Same old "if it can only save one life", "it's for the children", malarkey.
Shanghai McCoy
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Yet...!
herkyguy
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probably shouldn't be pumping our own gas either.....very dangerous.
in all seriousness, good journalism presents both sides of the argument. otherwise it is opinion. in this case, the argument is artificial. furthermore there is no opposing view presented.
hopefully this was written by some intern and the editor explained these shortcomings. but if this was written by an actual journalist, they failed. big time. nothing more than a puff piece written at the middle school level.
in all seriousness, good journalism presents both sides of the argument. otherwise it is opinion. in this case, the argument is artificial. furthermore there is no opposing view presented.
hopefully this was written by some intern and the editor explained these shortcomings. but if this was written by an actual journalist, they failed. big time. nothing more than a puff piece written at the middle school level.
beatledog7
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I've looked at the piece again and played the video. It actually focuses on people shooting reloaded ammo, not on people doing their own reloading. The implication is that a shooter simply cannot know if such ammo is safe.
We would all agree with that assessment when the maker of said ammo is unknown to us, but that part is never made clear. The piece unfairly lists a few manufacturers whose ammo shooters can supposedly trust and implies that the rest, presumable companies such as Georgia Arms, Buffalo Bore, Black Hills, etc. are unworthy of trust. It fails to note that such companies operate under licensure to do exactly what they do and are actually at least as careful about the process as the big manufacturers the piece favors.
It now strikes me not as a anti-gun propaganda piece but as a tacit endorsement of the practice of ranges controlling the ammo they allow to largely that which they sell. Of course, people who may be inclined to start reloading might see the piece and think twice, not so much for safety reasons but to ensure they'll be allowed to shoot said ammo at the local range.
Still, I wonder how this writer and editorial staff feel about those honorable firearms practices such as shooting muzzle loaders, the kind Geo Washington meant for civilians to have.
I wonder how they'd react to the fact that when someone prepares one of those 2A-approved guns to shoot, he does essentially the same thing a cartridge reloader does: load powder of some kind into a tube and seal it with a projectile, apply ignition device.
But the muzzleloader does it in the field with a modicum of precision.
A responsible cartridge reloader works with precision equipment in a controlled environment, and although he uses a more powerful kind of powder, he uses much smaller amounts of it and measures those amounts on a precision scale after carefully researching how much to use for the intended purpose, bullet weight, etc. And by the way, many reloaders took up the practice to create rounds of significantly lower power than those supplied by the major manufacturers.
My guess is that information would be summarily ignored.
We would all agree with that assessment when the maker of said ammo is unknown to us, but that part is never made clear. The piece unfairly lists a few manufacturers whose ammo shooters can supposedly trust and implies that the rest, presumable companies such as Georgia Arms, Buffalo Bore, Black Hills, etc. are unworthy of trust. It fails to note that such companies operate under licensure to do exactly what they do and are actually at least as careful about the process as the big manufacturers the piece favors.
It now strikes me not as a anti-gun propaganda piece but as a tacit endorsement of the practice of ranges controlling the ammo they allow to largely that which they sell. Of course, people who may be inclined to start reloading might see the piece and think twice, not so much for safety reasons but to ensure they'll be allowed to shoot said ammo at the local range.
Still, I wonder how this writer and editorial staff feel about those honorable firearms practices such as shooting muzzle loaders, the kind Geo Washington meant for civilians to have.
I wonder how they'd react to the fact that when someone prepares one of those 2A-approved guns to shoot, he does essentially the same thing a cartridge reloader does: load powder of some kind into a tube and seal it with a projectile, apply ignition device.
But the muzzleloader does it in the field with a modicum of precision.
A responsible cartridge reloader works with precision equipment in a controlled environment, and although he uses a more powerful kind of powder, he uses much smaller amounts of it and measures those amounts on a precision scale after carefully researching how much to use for the intended purpose, bullet weight, etc. And by the way, many reloaders took up the practice to create rounds of significantly lower power than those supplied by the major manufacturers.
My guess is that information would be summarily ignored.
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Carl N. Brown
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Check the recall notices: factory ammo can be out of spec too. Factory ammo can be an unknown quality. Handloads can be as good as you care to make them.
My reloads are deliberately mild because I want accuracy more than power.
Glad I belong to a private gun club because I shoot a lot of ammo I reload myself, especially rounds like 7.63 Mauser and 6.5 Carcano which are hard to find commercially even in good times. Amazingly after decades of reloading7.63 Mauser, 6.5 Carcano, .38 Spl, .30/30 Win., .303 Brit, 12ga, .30 Carbine, .45 ACP, .45 AutoRim I still have two eyes, eight fingers (two thumbs), and have lost no body parts to "dangerous reloads".
I have fired thousands of handloaded/reloaded ammo; I loaded most of all .38 Spl with 148gr wadcutter and 3 gr Unique and fired it in a .357 Ruger Security Six so even if I accidentally double loaded a round would be within the strength of the gun. In fact, most of my rifle loads have been 90% or less than the recommended max because I load for accuracy.
Like others have posted, I would like to see any sort of stats on injuries from reloaded/handload ammo malfunction versus factory ammo malfunction.
OilyPablo
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beatledog7 said:
I think you give the news too much credit. While it may not be an anti-gun article, I think it's more of only listening to the range owner's point of view to push an ignorant point of view (of course "warning" the precious viewers). As stated, the range may lean toward selling their own ammo. Doubt the reporters picked up on this.
steelerdude99
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Wow; promote fear and use a money grab'n range as "experts" to back up what they want to say. It's seems their goal is to alert the public that this "dangerous activity" is going on. Then they'll let the uninformed public start spreading the word and contacting their local, state and federal representatives.
While we are on this topic, a few years ago in Massachusetts a guy was arrested for reloading as the government accused him of "explosive manufacturing". I searched but could not find anything on how it turned out. I could not even find the original thread.
chuck
While we are on this topic, a few years ago in Massachusetts a guy was arrested for reloading as the government accused him of "explosive manufacturing". I searched but could not find anything on how it turned out. I could not even find the original thread.
chuck
beatledog7
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Oily, you may be right. My main point was that the article doesn't specifically target the home reloader. In fact, such a person is not even mentioned per se.
RustHunter87
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http://www.fowlerfirearms.com/
add this place to the boycott list, all this BS is making me sick
add this place to the boycott list, all this BS is making me sick
Creature
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I don't see a writer's name attached to that report.
ThorinNNY
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It seems there`s always some ding a ling or other starting absurd rumors about something or other. I got an e-mail saying at length - 2-3 pages that GLADE Plug In air fresheners are an even greater fire hazard than smoking in bed.
As they say, a mind is a terrible thing to abuse or was it is a terrible thing to lose one`s mind !?
PS how many of us were told "you`ll shot your eye out!" when we wanted a BB gun when we were kids. How many of us actually DID shoot their eye out?
As they say, a mind is a terrible thing to abuse or was it is a terrible thing to lose one`s mind !?
PS how many of us were told "you`ll shot your eye out!" when we wanted a BB gun when we were kids. How many of us actually DID shoot their eye out?
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