I was talking to an Officer at a store. We where talking about the Second Amendment, and when I said that I don't see the need for a CCW in a huge city, and only in a rural area, because of all the police like him would be in a city; he thought I was literally insane. He quickly said that the larger the population, the more you need to be packing. He said he never goes anywhere without a gun. He told me that most of the time, that after he arrives at a crime scene the damage has already been done...
Wow, was I surprised
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tater_salad
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From my experience, a majority of LEOs support concealed carry
Fly320s
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Were you baiting him or is that what you honestly believe?
In either case, I'm glad to hear that the officer has his head screwed on right.
In either case, I'm glad to hear that the officer has his head screwed on right.
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We need a moderator, please sticky this thread. Talk about your role models, we need this thread to always compare the other depressing police threads to.
We need a moderator, please sticky this thread. Talk about your role models, we need this thread to always compare the other depressing police threads to.
El Tejon
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police officers on "the street" =/= police brass who are often politically appointed.
Heck, even the police brass pack. Remember during the '80s when NYC was in full hissy fit over the Glock then the head po-po Brown said that it was one of his favorite pistols.
I favor a law that states that if police want to bad mouth our civil right to keep and bear arms then they should do their jobs unarmed.
Heck, even the police brass pack. Remember during the '80s when NYC was in full hissy fit over the Glock then the head po-po Brown said that it was one of his favorite pistols.
I favor a law that states that if police want to bad mouth our civil right to keep and bear arms then they should do their jobs unarmed.
XDn00b101, just curious.
Do you seriously believe what you said to the officer?
Do you really, truly, and seriously believe that nobody needs to carry inside a major city?
Just curious.
I see that you have, at the time of my questions to you, six total posts.
Obviously, you are rather new around here.
But just wanting to make sure that what you wrote is indeed the position you are staking out here.
hillbilly
Do you seriously believe what you said to the officer?
Do you really, truly, and seriously believe that nobody needs to carry inside a major city?
Just curious.
I see that you have, at the time of my questions to you, six total posts.
Obviously, you are rather new around here.
But just wanting to make sure that what you wrote is indeed the position you are staking out here.
hillbilly
I am VERY happy that some police officers feel that way.
I have had experience with police brass that do not believe that "civilians" should be able to carry. Of course, THEY carry when off duty. They just don't want anyone else to be able to. Sounds like some politicians and celebrities to me.
Personally I feel that the more people around, the more reason to carry.
I have had experience with police brass that do not believe that "civilians" should be able to carry. Of course, THEY carry when off duty. They just don't want anyone else to be able to. Sounds like some politicians and celebrities to me.
Personally I feel that the more people around, the more reason to carry.
Lennyjoe
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Someone needs to wake up and smell the coffee.
BTW, welcome to THR
TrafficMan
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i wish the LEO's in SOCAL had that attitude....
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Predators
I live in an area where I'm surrounded by grizzlies, wolves, wolverines, coyotes, foxes etc. Ocasionally you'll find me out and about without a firearm.
When I hit the big city I'm ALWAYS strapped up due to the increased threat of the far more dangerous predators who live there.
I live in an area where I'm surrounded by grizzlies, wolves, wolverines, coyotes, foxes etc. Ocasionally you'll find me out and about without a firearm.
When I hit the big city I'm ALWAYS strapped up due to the increased threat of the far more dangerous predators who live there.
simon
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I was talking to a cop in Hawthorne that said that every home should have at least a shotgun, I don't know what his feeling was on CCW....
Strings
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Last year, when we were pushing our Assembly to overturn the Goobernor's veto of CCW, there was ONE police chief (in uniform) there on our side. I distinctly remember him telling Monkeyleg: "if you're ever hassled in my town for carrying, tell the officer to call me". REALLY nice guy, hilarious to talk to during the circus that is our legislature at "work", and VERY proCCW...
oldschool
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Carry is the Big City
I find that most of the Police that I know are Pro-RKBA but my sample is tainted in that all of the Police I know, I know from shooting IDPA and other events with.
My only issue with carrying in a large city is exponentially more inocent-bystanders to catch a stray round. That just means be extra careful in your shot selection and be very sure of what is behind you target. In a "tight" street environment I might go with a knife first even if carrying a gun because; a) I can deploy it faster and b) the knife won't ricochet off things at a shallow angle with enough energy to do grivious harm. I'm fair at shooting from retention but some risks you just don't take.
I find that most of the Police that I know are Pro-RKBA but my sample is tainted in that all of the Police I know, I know from shooting IDPA and other events with.
My only issue with carrying in a large city is exponentially more inocent-bystanders to catch a stray round. That just means be extra careful in your shot selection and be very sure of what is behind you target. In a "tight" street environment I might go with a knife first even if carrying a gun because; a) I can deploy it faster and b) the knife won't ricochet off things at a shallow angle with enough energy to do grivious harm. I'm fair at shooting from retention but some risks you just don't take.
dasmi
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You've got it backwards, my friend.
dasmi
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Nope, more people in a confined area equals more danger, equals you'd better carry a gun.
loose cannon
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XDn00b101 said:
dont sweat it xdn we all came from a position of lacking knowledge once,stick around read and learn.
the ones who need to bang their heads into the wall seldom do,they are the closed minded anti self defense mind numbed brady bots who are not to be confused by the facts.
First, XDn00b101, welcome to the High Road.
Second, as for your ideas, I think you are learning that around here, you are being considered about half right.
Yes, there are more cops in an urban area. There is more help available. You are right about that.
But, I think you are missing about half the equation.
While there are more emergency personnel inside a city, on the flip side, there are also a lot more gang bangers, murderers, rapists, carjackers, and all manner of mean nasty types just because there are more people.
It's just a function of sheer numbers.
If only 1% of a total population is pscyhotic enough to become murderers, that means in a very small, rural town of 2000 people, you 've got 20 potential murderers.
But in a city of two-million, you've got 20,000 potential murderers.
And if the population density is high enough, you might have those 20,000 potential murderers crammed together in an area about the same size as a rural town of 2000, spread over a couple of miles.
In a rural place, it will take a lot longer for help to get there, but the chances of it happening to you are lower, In an urban area, help will get there quicker, but the chances of facing really bad people is a lot higher.
hillbilly
Second, as for your ideas, I think you are learning that around here, you are being considered about half right.
Yes, there are more cops in an urban area. There is more help available. You are right about that.
But, I think you are missing about half the equation.
While there are more emergency personnel inside a city, on the flip side, there are also a lot more gang bangers, murderers, rapists, carjackers, and all manner of mean nasty types just because there are more people.
It's just a function of sheer numbers.
If only 1% of a total population is pscyhotic enough to become murderers, that means in a very small, rural town of 2000 people, you 've got 20 potential murderers.
But in a city of two-million, you've got 20,000 potential murderers.
And if the population density is high enough, you might have those 20,000 potential murderers crammed together in an area about the same size as a rural town of 2000, spread over a couple of miles.
In a rural place, it will take a lot longer for help to get there, but the chances of it happening to you are lower, In an urban area, help will get there quicker, but the chances of facing really bad people is a lot higher.
hillbilly
stevelyn
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El Tejon said:police officers on "the street" =/= police brass who are often politically appointed.
Heck, even the police brass pack. Remember during the '80s when NYC was in full hissy fit over the Glock then the head po-po Brown said that it was one of his favorite pistols.
I favor a law that states that if police want to bad mouth our civil right to keep and bear arms then they should do their jobs unarmed.
I'm willing to bet that police officers who'll bad mouth our civil right to keep and bear arms probably wouldn't hesitate to violate any our other civil rights given the opportunity.
It may be true that the police can arrive on scene in an urban area quicker than a rural - like - say - 10 minutes instead of 30.
BUT 10 minutes is more than enough time for a BG to do his thing so in the final analysis XD we all better be prepared to defend ourselves because it isn't likely the cops will get there in time to do it for us.
re: quick police response
Yep, it's a fact that the cops get there quicker and in greater numbers. That is because there are a lot of them around in any area. They get the report started quicker and sometimes catch the bad guy. That doesn't do anything for the victim that is likelier to be targeted in a big city. When I was in law enforcement, cops used to jokingly call themselves "armed secretaries". When a serious crime occurs, it happens in an instant, and the bad guy doesn't wait around for the cops. Usually if there is an identifying witness, the detectives will make an arrest much later. Very seldom will a police officer make an arrest for a crime in progress. Maybe an alarmed robbery arrest occasionally. If you want protection for yourself, you had better provide it, or hope that you live to dictate the events for the cop that arrives in several minutes.
Yep, it's a fact that the cops get there quicker and in greater numbers. That is because there are a lot of them around in any area. They get the report started quicker and sometimes catch the bad guy. That doesn't do anything for the victim that is likelier to be targeted in a big city. When I was in law enforcement, cops used to jokingly call themselves "armed secretaries". When a serious crime occurs, it happens in an instant, and the bad guy doesn't wait around for the cops. Usually if there is an identifying witness, the detectives will make an arrest much later. Very seldom will a police officer make an arrest for a crime in progress. Maybe an alarmed robbery arrest occasionally. If you want protection for yourself, you had better provide it, or hope that you live to dictate the events for the cop that arrives in several minutes.
Standing Wolf
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The police don't prevent crime. They write crime reports and occasionally catch criminals. If you want to prevent crime, you're on your own.
GregGry
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I am going into LE myself, and I can say I am pro CCW for everyone that can legally own a firearm. I believe that the police is a needed entity, however to rely on them totally, is foolish. Lets say a officer could respond to a call about someone breaking into your house, in 4 minutes flat. If the person breaking into your house wants to kill you (or something along those lines) 4 minutes is more then enough time to do the criminal to accomplish that. Relying on the police to protect you everywhere, is like relying on a firearm that you keep somewhere other then where you are.
Sure in a home invasion you might be able to use a knife against the perp, but if he has a firearm, the scales are tipped in his/her favor. Simply put, if your serious about your safety, you should have a bare minimum of a shotgun/handgun that is accessible in the house, and you should carry a pistol that you can accurately shoot, at all times you are out. Especially in the city. Robberies happen daily in all areas of my city. Out in the country, they are not so common, because the population is lower. Anytime you cram many people of diffrent cultures together in small areas, bad things are bound to happen.
Sure in a home invasion you might be able to use a knife against the perp, but if he has a firearm, the scales are tipped in his/her favor. Simply put, if your serious about your safety, you should have a bare minimum of a shotgun/handgun that is accessible in the house, and you should carry a pistol that you can accurately shoot, at all times you are out. Especially in the city. Robberies happen daily in all areas of my city. Out in the country, they are not so common, because the population is lower. Anytime you cram many people of diffrent cultures together in small areas, bad things are bound to happen.
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