XD-9 Slide Lock Fails on Empty Mag

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So I bought my first XD, an older gen XD-9. Feels great in the hand, shoots to point of aim, no failures to feed or eject. Loved it for the first 300 rounds. Today I went to range, shot 2 mags no issues, and the 3rd failed to lock the slide the back on an empty mag. Thought it could be ammo, so switched to some S&B factory and same thing. Tried my other 3 mags, and same thing. Is there a part that fails on these that would stop the slide lock from locking back on empty mags?? I hate to compare this to my G-17, but I generally put 2-3K rounds through it before I have to replace a trigger return spring or slide stop spring, usually more. Anyone run into this?

I got this used, perhaps i just happened to hit the end of life on one part or spring.
 
If you have isolated it to one mag, check to see if the follower comes up all the way, like the other two working ones do. Maybe it's not pushing up on the slide release catch hard enough, due to weakened spring. Might just need to replace it.


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Tried my other 3 mags, and same thing
If it just started occurring with all magazines, check the actual mechanism for freedom of movement, you may have a piece of foreign material preventing full travel in the brief time-frame the slide latch needs to engage in.

Look inside for the point where the latch engages the magazine, and look in the area the patch moves in inside the frame. Damage or a foreign object should be pretty obvious.
 
Yeah, missed that.

So, you have a total of 6 mags and only two of them work?

Remove the slide. Insert each mag, and see if the mag follower raises the slide release.



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The most common causes of a slide failing to lock back on an empty magazine are usually the shooter's thumb placement or weakened magazine springs, followed by dirty or damaged magazines.

This is a used pistol, right? It wouldn't be surprising if the mag springs are weakened.

I'd always consider replacing recoil & magazine springs on any used pistol I bought.
 
Try shooting all three mags with one hand, if the slide locks open on the last shot for all three then its your off hand grip (Thumb) that is causing the problem.
 
Well, after some more debug, the Retired LE - firearms instructor & armorer has it shook down. I had read this before also, having a shooters thumb reset the slide lock on recoil without knowing it. As a perfect grip placement shooter i of course refused to believe it was the operator and must be the equipment. At range yesterday, i shot all 3 mags without any issue with my nominal hand grip. i then shifted my bottom hand thumb up just slightly higher than normal. was able to re-create the "equipment issue" on last rounds. oh well - i guess you learn something new about every piece of new hardware you own. and i have nearly all of them now :)
 
Glad to hear it may have been an "easy" correction. ;)

You haven't exactly discovered anything "new", though.

I've watched any number of experienced shooters switch to a new platform which has the slide stop lever located differently than in the guns with which they're familiar, and experience early slide stop lever activation.

If the gun has a slide stop lever only on one side, it's often easy to have the shooter switch the gun to the other hand and shoot. If the "problem" is gone, the lever/thumb interface was likely responsible.

This sort of thing is usually more noticeable on the plastic guns which have the levers moved more to the rear of the frame, as well as the Sig P-series pistols. Not always, though.

I remember watching a gentleman shooting a Walther PPK/S one time for a qual course of fire. The mag was dropping out of his gun at least once during every mag load. I watched him and saw something I'd not seen before.

He was a right-handed shooter, using a 2-handed grip with curled his support thumb in an unusual manner. While his support thumb was nowhere near the mag catch button before pulling the trigger, under recoil I saw his curled thumb shift and "precisely" press against the mag catch button ... predictably dropping the slide. Once I pointed out to him what I'd seen, and he changed his grip a bit, the "problem" disappeared. He was a bit testy about it, though, It seems he'd been tolerating the "problem" for a number of years and had simply assumed it was a gun problem, not a shooter problem. The ease of correcting the long standing problem made him feel a bit annoyed with himself.

Then, I had a couple of right-handed shooters experience the slide stop lever not engaging and locking back the slide on empty mags when shooting a P239. I was working with one of them and had him shoot the gun left-handed ... and the "problem" disappeared, only to reappear when he switched back to shooting the gun right-handed. It seems his right thumb was riding the lever and stopping it from rising when the mag follower & spring was trying to lift the lever on an empty mag. Another "easy" correction.

Then, there's been those times when a weak mag spring, damaged follower or a very dirty mag body caused the same thing.

Another thing I've unfortunately seen all too often is how someone manages to reassemble their mags incorrectly after cleaning them. I've seen mag springs reversed or installed upside down (in mags where the springs had a definite orientation and were different at each end), as well as followers installed backwards ... and cause the slide stop lever not to engage properly and lock the slide back when the mag ran empty. :scrutiny:

It can be amazing, at times ... :uhoh:
 
^^^good call.

I recently started shooting an XD-40 and had a few lock-backs. The slide release sticks out much more than my Glock (primary weapon) and I quickly realized I was "thumbing" the release while under recoil. Now I have to "re-learn" the grip for my XD. :rolleyes:


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