Andrew Wyatt
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When we start growing 9 foot tall super soldiers with hands to match, that might be an option, but untill then, a normal human sized gun is in order.
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When we start growing 9 foot tall super soldiers with hands to match, that might be an option, but untill then, a normal human sized gun is in order.
7.62FullMetalJacket
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My wife likes the Glock 21. She says it is a little big, but she can manage. And she also wore a uniform, woodland cam, 1 each.
otomik
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i'd like to see the Beretta 92 series more PDWized. switch it to some 9mm sub-caliber conversion (lets call it 6x22mm Beretta). then give it a 3-round burst mode like the Beretta 93R for better stopping power and hit probability.
i'd also love to see a .45 in a 1911-style design. a squeeze-cocker like the P7, that would simplify controls for the grunts and still allow for an excellent trigger pull. internally it should be more like a SIG (browning-linkless with port to barrel locking action).
about giving an M4 to every tanker: M4 and the M16-series are too high maintenance for vehicle crews and support troops. jessica lynch's m16 was jammed and didn't even get a shot off before she was captured
i'd also love to see a .45 in a 1911-style design. a squeeze-cocker like the P7, that would simplify controls for the grunts and still allow for an excellent trigger pull. internally it should be more like a SIG (browning-linkless with port to barrel locking action).
about giving an M4 to every tanker: M4 and the M16-series are too high maintenance for vehicle crews and support troops. jessica lynch's m16 was jammed and didn't even get a shot off before she was captured
I'm 5 foot 8 and have VERY small hands, and have never had a problem with a fullsized USP.
My hands are smaller than most girls hands I know.
I get all the meat I can behind the backstrap of the USP, and I still have enough length to pull the trigger.
I've heard a lot of complaints of the USP being too large, but i just don't get it or see it... Maybe it's in how people hold their pistols or something, but I can't see how the USP is too big
natedog
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PDW's - a solution waiting to find a problem. Western Armies issue body armor...Asian armies (or terrorists) don't.
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PDW's - a solution waiting to find a problem. Western Armies issue body armor...Asian armies (or terrorists) don't.
The ruskies are tired of getting there butts handed to them by our tactics and bad for us good for them they are starting to emulate our tactics (including body armor). The ruskies have figured out that our most dangerous weapon are our NCO's and Junior Officers who have a lot of training, and just from a cost standpoint not even counting morale it pays to protect your most valauble weapons. Once the ruskies adopt something it will trickle down to the chi-coms ect. all. Those who wish to do us harm are not stupid and will adapt.
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Weapons for crew
Being a ground pounder (USMC MOS846) I wish I had at least 4 rifles and a pack mule it would be hard to pick one for the various sticky situations one would encounter, however if I was a tank crew member and had to pick I would chose the following in order:
Current:
1. M4A2 with m203
3. AK-47 tanker version
2. MP5N
2. SOCOM Mk23
Future:
the XM8 with 9" barrel sounds about perfect in this role 21" overall same ammo as your infantry (the logistics of havving one ammo type is a huge adavantage)
PDW's - a solution waiting to find a problem. Western Armies issue body armor...Asian armies (or terrorists) don't.
The ruskies are tired of getting there butts handed to them by our tactics and bad for us good for them they are starting to emulate our tactics (including body armor). The ruskies have figured out that our most dangerous weapon are our NCO's and Junior Officers who have a lot of training, and just from a cost standpoint not even counting morale it pays to protect your most valauble weapons. Once the ruskies adopt something it will trickle down to the chi-coms ect. all. Those who wish to do us harm are not stupid and will adapt.
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Weapons for crew
Being a ground pounder (USMC MOS846) I wish I had at least 4 rifles and a pack mule it would be hard to pick one for the various sticky situations one would encounter, however if I was a tank crew member and had to pick I would chose the following in order:
Current:
1. M4A2 with m203
3. AK-47 tanker version
2. MP5N
2. SOCOM Mk23
Future:
the XM8 with 9" barrel sounds about perfect in this role 21" overall same ammo as your infantry (the logistics of havving one ammo type is a huge adavantage)
What's an M4A2 and MP5N?
Jeff
Jeff
What's an M4A2 and MP5N?
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An M4A2 is a M16/AR15 with a 14.5 inch barrel a carry handle with selector switch for semi auto and three shot burst. A MP5N is MP5 a german submachine gun with the navy firing group which I believe is semi auto, two shot burst and full auto.
Pat
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An M4A2 is a M16/AR15 with a 14.5 inch barrel a carry handle with selector switch for semi auto and three shot burst. A MP5N is MP5 a german submachine gun with the navy firing group which I believe is semi auto, two shot burst and full auto.
Pat
Just a followup on state of mind on this post. To me and a few current/retired service members that I knew(there as many different opinions and there are stars) A pistol in a combat application is a last ditch item to buy time to secure a rifle now home defense and LE are most likely different situations but when faced with RPG/12.7mm/7.62 fire/80mm/ect exchanges giving back 9mm in exchange is not all that fun
now home defense and LE are most likely different situations but when faced with RPG/12.7mm/7.62 fire/80mm/ect exchanges giving back 9mm in exchange is not all that funThere is no such thing as an M4A2. The M4 is safe-semi-burst, the M4A1 is safe-semi-auto. Colts may catalog a commerical M4A2 but there is no such military designation.
Detachable carry handle has nothing to do with the military designations for the M4. The first M4s had fixed carry handles, but that was changed not too long after they started aquiring them in quantity. I've never seen M4A2 listed anywhere, but then I'm not up on all the Colt commericial designations.
I'd never seen the Navy version of the MP5 designated MP5N, but that was my guess.
Jeff
Detachable carry handle has nothing to do with the military designations for the M4. The first M4s had fixed carry handles, but that was changed not too long after they started aquiring them in quantity. I've never seen M4A2 listed anywhere, but then I'm not up on all the Colt commericial designations.
I'd never seen the Navy version of the MP5 designated MP5N, but that was my guess.
Jeff
natedog
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M-16A2 is safe-semi-burst with a fixed handle. M-16A1 is safe-semi-auto with a fixed handle. M-16A3 isn't a military designation, but usually in civilian circles the "A-3" means a flat top AR-15. The M-16A4 is safe-semi-burt with a flattop.
natedog,
The military would be surprised to learn that the M16A3 isn't a military designation. According to TM9-1005-319-23&P, the M16A3 is identical to the M16A2 except it has a safe-semi-auto trigger group. That said, I have no idea how many M16A3s exist or even who uses them. I enquired a few years back and all I could find out was that the Navy had procured some.
Jeff
The military would be surprised to learn that the M16A3 isn't a military designation. According to TM9-1005-319-23&P, the M16A3 is identical to the M16A2 except it has a safe-semi-auto trigger group. That said, I have no idea how many M16A3s exist or even who uses them. I enquired a few years back and all I could find out was that the Navy had procured some.
Jeff
Marko Kloos
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PFC Lynch's M-16 never got a shot off because its operator nearly brained herself on the dash of the Humvee in which she was a passenger. They rear-ended one of their own trucks in the beginning of the ambush, and PFC Lynch was unconscious through the whole event.
On the issue of an XM12...let's send all those newfangled smokeless cartridge bottomfeeders back to Italy, and re-issue the tried-and-true Colt M1873. Talk about going to war in style.
Sidearms are such peripheral pieces of equipment for most soldiers that it hardly matters what the Army puts in the holsters of tankers and MPs. M9, M11, or M1911...they're all poor fighting tools when compared to rifle, GPMG, or tank gun.
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