nickn10
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There were no charges filed by the police after investigating the event and most likely questioning witnesses. Therefore I will presume he did the right thing. Good for him!
The man did the right thing BETTER TO DRAW TO EARLY THAN TOO LATE
If you think that someone cutting in front of you - is someone walking all over you - I think you need to rethink your ego involvement. Sorry to be blunt.
Like John Farnam say's, "don't do stupid things,don't goto stupid places, and don't hang out with stupid people". In my mind, "Black Friday" violates all three of those rules.
I'm not going to let people do whatever they want, and I won't put up with people being rude to me. I'm not going to start a fist fight over it, but I won't sit silent.
In a number of jurisdictions, Arizona among them, drawing and pointing a firearm without being able to show a reasonable apprehension of death or serious bodily harm would constitute aggravated assault or the local equivalent; Arizona and Florida are among those with a mandatory prison sentences.Posted by smalls: I'm not going to let people do whatever they want, and I won't put up with people being rude to me.
ADEE
Hecate’s article mentions ADEE. ADEE stands for:
Avoid
Disengage/de-escalate
Evade
Escape
The ADEE model (by Skip Gochenour) is certainly a worthwhile model. It’s really the ideal that we should be striving for in self-defense. The #1 rule of a gunfight? Don’t get into one. That dovetails right with #1 here: avoid. However if trouble cannot be avoided, find a way to bring the situation down. So someone gets in your face, insults your mother, gets all big and puffy and appears hell-bent on hurting you. Y’know what? Apologize, even if you didn’t do anything wrong. Be kind, back down, appear submissive, don’t let your ego get in the way… even if they are totally at fault, even if they are the world’s biggest a-hole about it all, is it really worth your life? If that doesn’t work tho, you may have to evade the situation: walk away, calmly but politely, and perhaps move right into step 4, escape… keep on walking.
What makes this setup so nice is that it works to keep you from getting in trouble, which could mean legal (criminal and/or civil) trouble. But unfortunately, the situation may not work out and you may be forced into ACDC.
In a number of jurisdictions, Arizona among them, drawing and pointing a firearm without being able to show a reasonable apprehension of death or serious bodily harm would constitute aggravated assault or the local equivalent; Arizona and Florida are among those with a mandatory prison sentences.
Nothing wrong with that.Posted by smalls: if I'm standing in line, and someone cuts in front of me, or any other situation where someone is rude to me, there is no legal repercussion to saying "Excuse me, sir, I was here first".
Yes, you did, in Post #14. Good idea.Which is exactly what I said that I would say before everyone blew it up, and twisted my words.
If you think that someone cutting in front of you - is someone walking all over you - I think you need to rethink your ego involvement. Sorry to be blunt.
It's nice to chest pound that the gun guy won the day - but he was stupid to get into it. If you don't get that point - you need some serious close up FOF exercises to see if drawing a gun in a crowded venue is something that is best avoided.
It may avoid the question, but it is a very important element of strategy.Posted by sawdeanz: I also think that simply saying I wouldn't have been there simply avoids the question.
Agree.I also think that speaking up about someone cutting you in line is not by any means provoking or escalating the situation.
True.Noone expects to be punched in the face for that.
Distance is your ally, but in all but a very small handful of states, drawing a gun would not be lawfully justified unless his "next move" involved a weapon, or there was a very clear disparity of force.In this situation I would attempt to put as much distance between me and the perp as fast as possible, letting him make the next move which would then dictate whether drawing/ using a gun is necessary.
Ragnar Danneskjold
Just a though, but everyone saying "I just wouldn't have been there" and only that...isn't really answering the OP's question.