Yet Another ABC News Attack On Gun Owners -it's for the children

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ABC News is going all out to push for gun control. It has been a veritable blitz of anti-gun stories coming out of their offices lately.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=7306236&page=1

Before Arranging Playdates, Ask About Guns

Find Out How to Talk About Guns in the Home, Promote Safety and Report Threats

By ERIC M. STRAUSS

April 10, 2009

Stephen and Robbie are typical 11-year-olds who became fast friends after meeting at their local Boys and Girls club in Amelia, Ohio. They discovered a similar love of video games and shooting hoops, so it wasn't a surprise when they asked to start visiting one another's homes for playdates.

But after months of visits, it did come as a surprise to Stephen's mom, Carol, that Robbie's dad, Jan, kept handguns in his home for protection. The families asked that their last names not be used to protect their privacy.

"Stephen's been going to Jan's house to play with Robbie, and I had no idea Jan even had guns," Carol admitted. "It just never came up as a conversation."

CLICK HERE FOR INFORMATION ABOUT HOW TO REPORT GUN THREATS IN SCHOOL.

Daniel Gross, the CEO and co-founder of PAX, the nation's largest nonpartisan gun violence prevention organization, said that 40 percent of homes with children have a gun.

"Nearly 1.7 million children live in homes with firearms that are loaded and unlocked, and every day eight children die from guns," he said. "These statistics are unacceptable. Parents can help make their children safer. All they have to do is ask. Parents ask all sorts of questions to protect their children when they go play at the home of a friend, neighbor or relative. But there is one important question that more than half of parents say it never even occurred to them to ask: Is there a gun where my child plays?"

PAX, along with the National Association of Pediatrics, wants parents to start a dialogue about guns in the home, because no matter how much you trust your children -- statistics show they are going to snoop. ABC News recently invited 10 sets of parents and children in Amelia, Ohio, to speak openly about gun safety with Eckerd College psychologist Marjorie Hardy.

Hardy's research has revealed that what children tell their parents and what is true is often in contradiction. "I think the majority of parents believe that their children would act maturely in the presence of a gun and the majority of those children would not," she said. "In one recent study 65 percent of the parents believe their children to have little or no interest in guns. And then when those children had the opportunity to touch a .38 caliber semiautomatic handgun, 35 percent did."

Kids and Guns: Better Safe Than Shy

Hardy said locking away guns should be part of the basic child-proofing of a home. "We put gates around swimming pools, we put childproof caps on poisons. We need to lock away guns," she said. "I think it needs to be framed as a public health issue, because otherwise, the whole issue of guns and kids becomes wrapped up in the Second Amendment. It's not about an individual's right to own guns, it's about a child's right to live in an environment that's safe."

And that is the framework for PAX's Asking Saves Kids campaign.

"We're not getting involved in a public debate about gun ownership," Gross said. "We know everyone wants to keep children safe, so we have helped come up with some simple guidelines to ask the questions. We try to take any hint of judgment out of the question, and the results become a lot more powerful." According to PAX, more homes in America with children have a gun (40 percent) than have a dog (36 percent), so the results of a parent's inquiries may be enlightening. And don't be too frightened to broach the subject, because a recent Benson Strategy Group survey found that 97 percent of parents who own a gun would not feel uncomfortable if asked about the gun in their home by another parent. If the parent has a gun for recreation or protection there are follow-up questions that you can ask to make sure the gun is kept securely locked away. Ask about guns along with other questions: Include the question along with other things you might discuss such as allergies, animals, and seatbelts.
Use current events: Present a media report as a springboard for discussion.
Don't be confrontational: Present your concerns in a respectful manner. You are just trying to make sure your child is playing in a safe environment.

Avoiding School Violence: Speak Up

If a neighbor or friend's family has a gun, you must determine if your child's safety is at risk. Guns should be kept in a gun safe, with the ammunition locked separately or they pose a real risk to your child. Hiding guns is not enough. There are countless tragic stories of kids finding guns that parents thought were well hidden or safely stored. If you have any doubts about the safety of someone's home, you should politely invite the children to play at your house instead.

"I think there are two simple solutions to avoiding unintentional gun injuries and death," said Hardy. "One is, if you're a gun owner, you need to lock up your gun. And the other responsibility that you have as a parent is to make sure that the places that your child goes, are safe as well. So you need to have a conversation with parents about guns."

If parents can learn to ask if there are firearms where their children will be playing, Gross and PAX hope that the children will "Speak Up" -- the name of their campaign -- and report any threats of weapon use in schools. "The Department of Education and Secret Service tell us that in 81 percent of school shootings, four out of five times, there were kids that knew of the plan of gun violence," Gross said. "That's why we set up a toll-free anonymous hotline for students to call no matter what their weapons related fears are." The goal of the Speak Up hotline is to encourage kids to do the right thing to protect themselves and to counter the prevalent "don't snitch" message. "[Students] wanted complete anonymity, and they wanted somewhere to report suspicions without going directly to a teacher or even their local police," Gross said. "Students call 866-SPEAK-UP, they tell us their concerns and then we contact the schools and authorities with a protocol we worked out with the FBI. They are given an anonymous code if they want to call us back and find out what happened." So far, the call centers staffed by trained professionals every minute of every day have received 30,000 calls, confiscated thousands of weapons and stopped possible tragedies. Gross wants students to know no threat of violence is too small. "I would rather they call. Don't assume they are joking. Don't assume you will get in trouble. A risk to your safety is never a joke. Stand up for your safety. This 866-SPEAK-UP hotline is literally saving lives."
 
hmm....

1.7 Million homes with children, 8 die/day

.00047% chance

Being a parent myself, I think we can all say we want to keep our children safe but there's a lot more dangerous things out there. I wonder how many children are struck by cars, electrocuted, drown, fall from heights, etc. I don't hear for a ban on cars, electricity, pools, or windows though.
 
I remember reading that something like 9 times more kids die in home swimming pools than by accidental shootings.
 
Right to safety isnt in the constitution. Right to life is, but not a right to live in safety.

Life isn't safe as a general rule.
I remember reading that something like 9 times more kids die in home swimming pools than by accidental shootings.

I wonder how many by animal attacks
 
"In one recent study 65 percent of the parents believe their children to have little or no interest in guns. And then when those children had the opportunity to touch a .38 caliber semiautomatic handgun, 35 percent did."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA. Someone didn't quite understand how mathematics works.

65% of parents believed their children had little or no interest in guns.
Therefore 35% of parents believed their children had an interest in guns.

65% of children did NOT touch a .38 caliber semiautomatic handgun.
35% of children did touch a .38 caliber semiautomatic handgun.


WOW!!! Imagine that! Those parents were right!
 
You mean to imply that there are cable channels other than Fox News?! I'm shocked! Shocked I say! :eek:

Geno
 
These news outlets are always doing horror stories about dangers to children, not just guns. I remember one about backing over children in your car complete with accompanying sob story. Another about prescription pill use and 'the danger lurking in your medicine cabinet'. Or how about the antifreeze mistaken for Gatorade. I think the political motivations are secondary to ratings. Fear sells so that is what they broadcast, stories of fear and horror. This is not resticted to guns, anything they can use in a 10 second spot to lure a parent into tuning in. Such as 'The very real danger lurking in your childs playdate home. Is you child at risk? Find out tonight at 6!' Could be the pool, the gun, the pills the antifreeze kids think is kool-Aid. Those in control of your fear box care about cold hard cash way more than our 2A rights and influencing them one way or another. In fact I bet they love guns and shootings, ratings go through the roof.
 
ABC News is going all out to push for gun control.
It isn't just ABC, it's the whole media. On a local station here last night, they ran a story about a guy who was busted for embezzling and made a huge deal over the fact that he was a gun collector and had a house full of guns, even though, by their own admission, every single gun he had was legal and legally owned.

When they said that all the guns were legal, I almost screamed at the TV "WELL THEN WHY THE **** IS THIS NEWS? THE GUY WAS A THIEF WHO JUST HAPPENED TO BE A GUN COLLECTOR! IF HE HAD A HOUSE FULL OF RARE COINS OR STAMPS, WOULD YOU BE MAKING A BIG DEAL OVER THAT?"

Anyway, here's the story, if you want to look at it. Make sure you don't eat first:

http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/...-040909-employee-seach-embezzle.bd058227.html
 
Hard to say how many threads are going on this particular topic at the moment: two? three? more? Here's one of them, anyway:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=442293

It's good to keep in mind, before we all throw ourselves under the bus, that ABC has done a number of pro-gun stories in the past. Check out John Stossel's work sometime for confirmation.
 
I boycott television news. They are the ones that provide the fame and notoriety that these murderers crave, encouraging others to copy them and kill others, and so on.

So many meaningless deaths, brought on by a bad mixture of notoriety-seekers and rating-seekers.

Stop watching television news.
It's for the children.
 
I was flippin through the channels earlier and saw a segment on ABC about how futile it is for someone who is CC'ing to stop a crazy mass murdering psycho with a paintball shooting glock.

The psycho walks in the classroom and starts shooting all the students with paintballs. One of the students has a paintball gun concealed and goes to draw it, but it gets stuck in his shirt (he was carrying it East LA style, in the waistband behind his belt buckle), and the CC'ing student got shot along with 8 or so other kids.

It was great. They tried to say that conceal carry isn't effective because the gun will likely get stuck in your clothes, even if you have training and experience with drawing and firing your weapon. Btw, the student had no experience carrying a weapon and had no training on how to properly draw or conceal a weapon.

I didn't understand what they we're trying to prove
 
You actually make a point of getting information from a corporate entity that merely hocks the latest product/idea from a corporate affiliate every week?

example, they buy lots of stock in a book company, next you know, they start running shows on the evil lead found in childrens books, so get new books from us..
 
The CDC tracks deaths in the US, and you can run a report on their website.

The data only goes up to 2005, I ran checks for various causes of death for ages 0-14 and here is what I got:

Unintentional Firearm Deaths - 75 (way less than 8 per day)
Violence-Related Firearm Deaths -314
Drowning Deaths - 856
Fall Deaths -87
Poisoning Deaths - 173
MV Traffic, Occupant Deaths - 842
Pedal cyclist - 121
Hit by Car - 566

The total population for the age group in 2005 was 60,670,417

So it's safer to have a gun in your house than take you kid for a ride in the car, let them ride a bicyle, play in the street, etc.

More children even die from falls than playing with guns.

the website is http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html
 
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The Brady Bunch was interviewed at the start of the broadcast. The whole program was a set up by the liberal media. Another ploy the take over the country by plots of subversion and schemes of the media, in their brain washing of America.
 
They didn't say get your gun out of the house, they said lock it up. I lock up my poisonous cleaning products, gate the pool, why not my gun?

Do as Theotherwaldo says. He and Bezoar speak the truth.
 
And then when those children had the opportunity to touch a .38 caliber semiautomatic handgun, 35 percent did.
Of course they did, .38 Super's an uncommon round and they were probably curious. If it was a 9mm they would have ignored it; trust ABC to skew statistics with odd calibres.
 
One thing I've found, even since my own childhood, is kids like to "play" with guns. Look around your own neighborhood on any given day and see kids with toy guns, (nerf ball guns come to my mind), participating in some type of good guy/bad guy game. It's just a part of growing up. Where the problem lies is with the parents who either don't have time or are too pre-occupied doing something else.

What myself and a few of the instructors at the range I work at started two years ago was to volunteer an afternoon once a year to teach kids about guns. I organize and print all the materials while the instructors teach. We also realized the vanilla wrapped NRA basic course was not only boring but highly ineffective. Four hours of kids sitting in a classroom with a written test at the end. We created our own curriculum with two hours instruction and two hours on the range. We supply all the .22 handguns, .22 rifles, bullets, and targets.
Our objective is pretty simple: Kids will "play" with guns, so we teach them they are not toys.

The hardest challenge for me was to get the parents involved. The kids love it but trying to get at least one parent to come with their kid to the range is a hard sell. I finally decided that instead of bringing the liability form home and passing them out I "lie" and state at least one of the parents has to physically be at the range to sign the form. So far it's worked.
After reading the article printed here, I see no attack on anyone's right. I do see a lot of paranoia in the responses and the OP's.
(Ok, got the flame suit on. Go for it).
 
This is just another team effort between the media and government to shape opinion towards disarmament of the citizens of this country. The real reason we have a second amendment is to protect ourselves from the government not sport shooting! With this power mad abusive bunch of crooks now running things our ability to fight back may become an option, personally I expect a change for the better soon using the ballot box and not the cartridge box. For anyone who was old enough to remember what kind of President Jimmy Carter was, this buffoon is much worse!
 
It's very annoying when people try to frame an issue as a public health concern when they don't "do the math".

On the other hand, when competent professionals do analyze the data and calculate the risk your child is exposed to due to firearms in the home the numbers tell a different story than the people that want to ban guns (or further restrict ownership) "for the children".

http://freakonomicsbook.com/thebook/ch5.html

No one is more susceptible to an expert's fearmongering than a parent. Fear is in fact a major component of the act of parenting. A parent, after all, is the steward of another creature's life, a creature who in the beginning is more helpless than the newborn of nearly any other species. This leads a lot of parents to spend a lot of their parenting energy simply being scared.

The problem is that they are often scared of the wrong things. It's not their fault, really. Separating facts from rumors is always hard work, especially for a busy parent. And the white noise generated by the experts—to say nothing of the pressure exerted by fellow parents— is so overwhelming that they can barely think for themselves. The facts they do manage to glean have usually been varnished or exaggerated or otherwise taken out of context to serve an agenda that isn't their own.

Consider the parents of an eight-year-old girl named, say, Molly. Her two best friends, Amy and Imani, each live nearby. Molly's parents know that Amy's parents keep a gun in their house, so they have forbidden Molly to play there. Instead, Molly spends a lot of time at Imani's house, which has a swimming pool in the backyard. Molly's parents feel good about having made such a smart choice to protect their daughter.

But according to the data, their choice isn't smart at all. In a given year, there is one drowning of a child for every 11,000 residential pools in the United States. (In a country with 6 million pools, this means that roughly 550 children under the age of ten drown each year.) Meanwhile, there is 1 child killed by a gun for every 1 million-plus guns. (In a country with an estimated 200 million guns, this means that roughly 175 children under ten die each year from guns.) The likelihood of death by pool (1 in 11,000) versus death by gun (1 in 1 million-plus) isn't even close: Molly is roughly 100 times more likely to die in a swimming accident at Imani's house than in gunplay at Amy's.

If someone were to point out that they can reduce the chance of their child drowning by teaching their child basic safety rules about swimming pools and to swim so they are "drown proofed" while there's nothing they can do about another child pointing a discovered gun at their child and shooting them the response is to point out the risk calculations don't distort the issue and that the odds are not changed by their individual behavior or their individual fears. Children are at a far greater risk from things their parents never give a second thought to than they are from firearms in the home.

How do we turn that to our advantage? By explaining that there are ways to make the individual children safer by following some simple steps we all know as members of THR. Teach them about guns just like you'd teach them to swim or to not horseplay around the pool. Don't act like there's something to be kept secret. Make sure the other children that are around your child are taught enough about firearms to be safe. Kids who are just trained to the Eddie Eagle "see flee report" level shouldn't have access to firearms (not just in a drawer in the "stay out" rooms) because some just aren't smart/mature enough to even follow those basic rules. As responsible gun owners we recognize that there is some risk involved when we have children and firearms in the home, but we can manage it by being open instead of secretive, teach our kids about safe firearms use instead of keeping children in the dark about them, secure them to the appropriate level for the age so that we help keep our children and their friends away from firearms they don't know how to be safe around. Knowledge is always better than ignorance and fear when mitigating any risk and we can counter a lot of anti propaganda and win parents to our side of the argument or at least "lie proof" them to the anti hysteria.
 
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