You African hunters, just curious

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This is for all you lucky gents that have hunted in Africa. My question is this:

What do you consider the most dangerous game? What rifles were you hunting them with? What was your closest call? I'd make this a poll but I am computer stupid. I haven't the faintest Idea how to set one up.

I'm guessing buffalo are going to take the top spot. Hunter said the leopard, Capstick said nothing gave him the willies worse than having to follow up a gut shot leopard in heavy cover. Lions are almost as bad and three times as big. Buffalo are a bullet sponge.

I am not a hunter, I am about as good at hunting as I am figuring out computers, The only game animal I ever shot was a sow wild hog, for meat.

But I have always been fascinated with stories of African Hunters. Lets hear yours.
 
The most dangerous animal in Africa statistically is the hippo. Not sure if they'e hunted (I imagine so) but I would also imagine it would take quite the gun to drop one.
 
I never "hunted" there, but I did spend a couple of months in Kenya working with their military. I want to say, first of all, it was an amazing experience, since we spent most of our time in the field. I saw every critter that was on the lion king- but in the wild and wide-open. The locals (who are usually the most competent anywhere when it comes to such things) told us that our biggest threats to life and limb were the simbas and the snakes, and avoid all bodies of water, if possible. Also to avoid patrolling at night. They assured us that our M4's and pistols would be worthless against the cats, but our shotguns "may" work (I think we had 5 870's and like 23 people). The local park rangers went out in 4 man patrols- they would have 3 guys carrying G3's (or in the case of the reservists, Enfields) and one guy carrying a poacher-confiscated magnum caliber safari rifle, of various huge calibers. They recommended tiki torches around the camp at night (which we did) and using flares in the event of a lion that got too close (not fired at it, just near it). All garbage was disposed of in a pit about 200 yards from camp and burned. Close calls- a puff adder slithered into the chow tent one day during breakfast, and was shot by a 9mm and subsequently eaten. Yours truly took a break under a shade tree and noticed kitty prints under the tree in the sand. Looked up, and saw a deerlike animal IN THE TREE. Which meant a leopard killed it, drug it up there to prevent theft, and was probably watching me at that time from like 10 feet and I am surrounded by waist-high yellow grass, and carrying a M4 and 9mm pistol. We made good our escape, and after that I stayed away from trees. Anyway, we made it through the trip without anyone getting eaten, bit, etc.
 
I'd agree that the hippo is a dangerous bugger , same for the mosquito and drinking any of the water though.

Had a lioness run into a kill on a ranch once. Hoping to snatch it. THAT is my only scary hunting story. Happy to report I held my ground, covered her as she growled at us, then left....and I still had clean shorts.
 
The most dangerous animal in Africa statistically is the hippo. Not sure if they'e hunted (I imagine so) but I would also imagine it would take quite the gun to drop one.
I read a story about some British soldiers who were in a river there in a Zodiac rubber boat, and a hippo bit a huge hole in it, but no one got hurt. I Imagine it was stressful getting that thing to shore before it sank.
 
The hippo is statistically the most dangerous mammal, but they are not really considered 'game' (is shooting into the water fair sport?). Cape buffalo is considered the most dangerous 'game' that is normally hunted, since elephants are not really hunted by ethical hunters any more.
 
The hippo is statistically the most dangerous mammal, but they are not really considered 'game' (is shooting into the water fair sport?). Cape buffalo is considered the most dangerous 'game' that is normally hunted, since elephants are not really hunted by ethical hunters any more.

Hunting old bull elephants is vital to the survival of the species from what I've read. Culling out the older bulls helps the gene pool be more diverse and allows more calves to be bread.
I'm no expert on this topic however, but I don't think that the controlled hunts are unethical so long as you're doing it by the rules and taking the elephant you're instructed to take. I'm willing to bet H&H will be able to shed more insight on this.
 
Never been there, but I did a presentation in college about ecotourism in Africa and researched what animals are the most dangerous.

As a couple people have pointed out hippos are more dangerous than any warm blooded animal on the continent statistically.

I remember something about a snake in desert regions of Africa called the saw scaled viper being the most prolific killing snake on earth.
 
Looking for hunters who have actually been there, guys. I know we have a bunch of them on this forum...

Rob, I am still drooling over the book you sent me.... And you have been there....
 
Looking for hunters who have actually been there, guys. I know we have a bunch of them on this forum...

Rob, I am still drooling over the book you sent me.... And you have been there....
Well I am a hunter and am in Africa pretty frequently. I just haven't hunted there - it is definitely a rich man's game over there. I have been rushed by an elephant (while on foot) and have gotten pretty close to Cape Buffalo without being killed (they were definitely giving me the hairy eyeball so I backed off). But the hippos are the scariest.
 
I have hunted plains game in S. Africa, one large ranch I was on had a respectable herd of hippo. I was told to never go near the deep water or be within 100 yards after dusk when the hippos came out to roam and graze on other than water plants. Was able to see a few from a distance and everyone had a healthy respect for these water monsters. They were on the hunting list if you wanted to pay for them, but pretty expensive, mainly for the retrieval of the body, very dangerous if you had to go into the water with the other hippos around.

My buddy hunted cape buff and leopard in Zimbabwe, first night in camp he had lions walking around his tent. When he hunted leopard, had to try to get to his blind in the dark before dawn and said it is a bit scary walking through herds of elephant so close that you can hear their stomachs working and them farting. He was never able to get his leopard as the elephants had always flattened his blind. He shot a large cape buffalo, one shot dropped within 30 yards. Danger comes with wounding critters, they tend to want to get even when you go after them. The second day he was in camp a local camp worker was stomped and gored by a cape buff walking the half mile to the hunters camp to work for the day.
 
Never been to Africa but I've been obsessed with it for years. They're all dangerous in their own way. Statistically, hippos kill more Africans than any critter other than the mosquito. They're territorial and aggressive and very capable of sending you to the dirt nap. Yes, they are hunted and complete the "Big 6" but not everyone takes a brain shot while they're in the water. I wouldn't.

Leopard are usually shot while on bait hung in a tree. Usually the difficult part is the waiting. However, flub your shot and the cat goes into the darkest place it can find and it will wait for you. They say that if it carries out its attack, you won't see it coming and everyone in your party will get cut. They are the perfect predator.

Same for lions. Except they're a few hundred pounds bigger and their attack is more direct.

According to Mark Sullivan, 95% of Cape buffalo shot, won't charge. The way most of them are hunted, a couple shots are fired and they wait for the animal to expire without fanfare.

Rhino hunting is all but over with, thanks to poaching and ignorant 3rd world morons who think their horn makes their pecker bigger.

Elephants are still hunted, quite a bit actually. The crap you hear from anti's about elephant hunting is all nonsense. If they would leave elephant hunting alone and allow Africa to set its own game regulations, we might actually save them. To me, they are the most dangerous. They are obviously huge but they also disappear quickly into the brush and will burst out in a charge if they detect you. They're fast, furious, vindictive and take the most horsepower to stop. They really don't like being hunted, it pisses them off and they take it personally. For me, elephant hunting would be the ultimate and if everything goes right, I'll do it by the time I'm 50.


....since elephants are not really hunted by ethical hunters any more.
When did this happen?
 
I went to Africa for plains game in the '80s. I never saw a lion, leopard, elephant, buffalo, or hippo. The most dangerous animal I hunted was a gemsbok. I was told that they have been known to kill lions. Mine went 15 yards and dropped after the shot.
 
It's a tricky question... Hunting how? Hunters on a Safari, local hunters, PHs all have a different relationship with the game and hunt. Then there are the bloody statistics, pretty much inexistent: it's very difficult to say how many of these are hunted vs how many of those, and how many casualties ensued compared to the number of animals involved.

Now, for a cursory, and personal, reckoning based on a solid thumbsuck, lots of campfire talks, and the help of respectable quantities of high quality spirits - and the occasional moonshine. Worth the entire amount I charge for it...

Buffalo will take the most hunters, but this could simply be due to the sheer numbers hunted. Buffalo has an interesting character: although it rarely charges unprovoked or even when shot, once he's wounded he'll hide somewhere, get very seriously crossed at you - and wait for you. When he comes for you, nothing will change his mind. There is no "turning a charge" with a buffalo: you kill him, or he kills you, period.

To add to this, once the adrenaline sets in, he can soak bullets in an incredible way. Absolutely mind boggling. As one of my mentors, who's been guiding for 50 years or so, succinctly put it one evening that we were discussing the various ways buffalo keep life interesting for hunters: "With buffalo, if the first bullet is not good, the next fifteen are useless..."

Hippo is the biggest killer - of natives. Mostly fishermen, who constantly risk their ire, happily paddling in totally unstable and shoddily made canoes. Males are territorial, females are very protective of their calves, and these critters can chew a canoe down the middle in one bite. Their teeth constantly rub against each other and are as sharp as a razor: a hippo biting you is bad news, he'll cut you in half. If you're lucky, you'll end up with wounds that you'd need a football to plug. Seen fishermen after the match, and it ain't a pretty sight. I haven't seen one who was still alive, but I have pictures...

A wounded leopard must be followed (like anything else, mind you...), and when found it will charge, that's a given. A buzzsaw on PCP, jumping from one member of the party to the next. But more victims are badly shredded than killed. PHs don't really like going after a wounded leopard, and often wrap themselves in thick leather and whatever they can find to protect strategic areas. Many use a shotgun with buckshot for that, because the shot will be close and fast, and leopards are not really tough animals compared to the other dangerous game.

Lions are not killers: when they catch a prey, they are perfectly content to hold it down and chew it alive. Then, they usually concentrate on one fellow in the party, so while the lion is busy chewing you, or your brother-in-law, someone else has a good chance to shoot him off your rib rack. People killed by a lion are usually alone when they meet, or with an unarmed party. Also, their aggressivity towards man depends on the area they're from. In some places there are almost no cases of man-eating lions, while in other areas they have a long tradition of picking on villagers.

Elephant... Well, when you have something that looks at you from the level of a first floor window, weighs ten grands or more in pounds, has a 7 foot appendage the size of a telephone pole in lieu of nose, and is smarter than your average Alsatian, you don't want to be on its list of unfriendlies. Elephants are humongous, they can go through a thicket of young trees just as easily as you walk a golf course, they have an incredible sense of smell, and they are probably the most intelligent land animal outside of the great apes. They will actively hunt you if they hold a grudge against you, especially the females. Granted, one bullet in the right place and they are down - like anything else, but as far as I'm concerned, that's the animal I give the most respect when I'm on his turf.

Now, rifles... For the rifle itself: reliable, simple, reliable, sturdy, reliable. And, if at all possible, reliable. You'd be surprised how many rifles you can throw in the dumpster just for that little word, reliable. It has to unlock, open, feed, close, and go Bang! EVERY time, no matter how fast or how slow you slam the thing. No hiccups, no binding, no FTE, FTF, or W.T.F. at all.

As for the caliber... Not going to start a debate on calibers here, that would be unheard of on this forum :D. When hunting, the caliber matters much less than bullet construction and shot placement. A quality bullet in the right place will kill anything. I'll take a good shot with a 6.5 over a bad shot with a .500 any day. The best one-shot kills I've seen on buffalo were with .300s, and the worst clusterfcukks were with .450-something. The .300s shooters were seasoned hunters, who had done quite a lot of mountain sheep and goat hunting. The "wish I hadn't come here today" cases were gents who had bought a BIG-friggin'-expensive Safari rifle that they couldn't handle, and must have put the grand total of three rounds through the darn thing, eyes shut and shoulder moaning in anticipation.

When backing up someone else, or following big things in thick stuff, this is where you want something more specialized. Heavier bullets, that keep their shape, don't blow on bones, and penetrate straight and deep. .40" and larger, 400 grains and up, 2100-2400 fps, these are the usual recommendations. This is due to the fact that you'll have shots from any odd angle, at speed, on something moving, and sometimes without even seeing exactly where you are shooting at. You want to punch big holes, break things, and go through a lot of meat, bones, and whatever there may be in there.
 
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been to Africa five times to hunt cape buff to dicker and will go back again next year. to me the best hunting in the world and hunted nothing but private farms to keep the cost down.
 

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been to Africa five times to hunt cape buff to dicker and will go back again next year. to me the best hunting in the world and hunted nothing but private farms to keep the cost down.

Just curious, do you take gifts to those guides that you've known for some time or do you just take extra cash for tips? Or nothing at all?
 
pocket knives, small flash lights and clothing, I take all the cloths I can,t wear(to fat). 50-100 lbs depending on what air line i fly on. I hunted some of the places 3 times and got to know the house hold workers-skinners-trackers and did tip. the rand was at 13 to 1 dollar and was also accepted in boswana. the African people I interacted with were all nice and had no trouble from joeberg-durban-cape in my travels. at 74 I don,t know how long I can go, but if my health holds out I,ll go.
 

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Never been there but I do read.

First note that there are two lists - the first is the most dangerous to people *overall*, including the common citizens, eco-tourtists, and hunters combined. Not counting the mosquito and snakes, the crocodile tops this list, followed by the hippo.

As for which game being hunted is most dangerous to the hunter, statistically, the nyati (cape buff) usually tops this list, followed by elephant. But I've seen lists where elephant is #1 as well, with nyati #2 or even #3. Leopard and lion are also in the top 5, yes, but not the top two in any list I've seen. I have no idea which list is correct. No doubt that hippos are extremely aggressive and dangerous in the water, so not sure why they're not #1 on the hunter list - maybe they don't adjust for proportionality to the number of hunts occurring, and they get hunted a lot less often than cape buff.

It's an interesting question.
 
The hippo is statistically the most dangerous mammal, but they are not really considered 'game' (is shooting into the water fair sport?). Cape buffalo is considered the most dangerous 'game' that is normally hunted, since elephants are not really hunted by ethical hunters any more.

Exweez me roscoe, but your comment about elephant not being hunted by ethical hunters is 100% incorrect. I'd say the most ethical hunters on the planet are those who hunt an animal that is CITES listed. They can only be hunted under the absolute strictest quota in tightly defined areas under the guidance of highly trained professional hunters who are in turn being watched by government parks game scouts. The hunts are conducted on foot and strictly in accordance with the principles of fair chase and in the all ways as ethically as humanly possible. Throughout Southern Africa, Botswana, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Mozambique and parts of South Africa and Namibia elephants are heavily over populated and are desperately in need of controlled management through sport hunting. Sport hunting a mature bull elephant is about the most ethical and controlled style of hunting on the planet. The funds from such a hunt also deliver a huge benefit to the future survival of the species. More so than any other form of conservation.
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Now as far as danger. When put in proper perspective the hippo offers very little danger to the sport hunter. Most are shot in the head from shore while they are in the water. The danger to people from hippos comes in two ways. First a bull hippo will protect it's territory with violent fury. So they are a grave danger to locals in small boats such as dug out canoes or even small power boats. The second most common way to get sorted by a hippo is to get in between one on land that is trying to escape back to the water. They will take you out if they feel cornered and you happen to be in the way. This generally happens by accident at night when people are walking along the shore of a lake or river. A hippo can be dangerous if hunted on dry land. In the water a .375 H&H or up will handle them nicely. On dry land the same applies but I'd like something a bit heavier a dry land hippo hunt simply screams for a heavy double rifle.

IMHO opinion and based on my multiple experiences hunting wild Africa, Zimbabwe and Tanzania mostly the absolute most dangerous animal a hunter can deal with is a cow elephant herd in thick brush. They are one of the few non predatory animals on this planet that will seek you out, set up an ambush and attack to kill when unwounded. Having been charged by wounded cape buffalo I'd say that they are tougher to turn than an elephant. But the most terrifying circumstances I've been involved with are elephant charges especially in a herd situation. The noise, the mayhem, the shear power, the dust, it's a sight to behold if you ever get mixed up with an aggressive herd of cow elephant you'll instantly know what I'm speaking of. There isn't any other living animal on the planet that has the shear power, the sound making ability or the size that a mad elephant has.

Cape buffalo aren't generally dangerous until they're wounded. Once a buff gets it's adrenaline up they can become a fearsome adversary. Until you've witnessed a buff soak up multiple well placed rounds from a heavy rifle it's difficult to believe the punishment they can take without so much as flinch. I've been within feet of buff that was trying to kill me. He lost, but it was a spot of bother there for a few seconds.

Big cats are extremely dangerous when wounded, especially a lion. leopards are maniacal when wounded and they can dish out some serious punishment but hunters who are attacked by them generally survive with a nice new collection of scars. Lions on the other hand will generally kill you if they get a hold of you. Their power and size is off the chart dangerous. I had a an old PH buddy who pointed out that Mark Sullivan was more than happy to show boat for the cameras with a charging buff or a hippo. But you'll never see him playing the fool with a lion, and there is a very good reason for that. Lions play for keeps. Outside of hunting both lions and leopards can and do hunt and eat humans.

Crocs offer zero danger to the sport hunter though they are extremely dangerous to local populations who use rivers or lakes for water sources.

Of course the most dangerous animal is the one that kills you on any given day.

Statistically speaking the mosquito is by far the most deadly animal in Africa.
 
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I just re read the OP. Asking about what firearms were used. On buffalo I’ve used a bolt action in .458Lott, a .470 NE double and a bolt action in .375H&H. On elephant a .470 NE.
 
for most of my shooting I used a CZ 550 in .375 and it worked, but I did take a cow buffalo with a old MS in 9.3x62, its all about bullet placement. do it right and you walk away, do it wrong and it can get hairy pretty quick.
 
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