GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL
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Good photo, Smoking gun..
You folks talk the talk
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That ain't period-correct stucco, bro!
Smokin_Gun
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It ain't a period camera either... 8O)
Smokin_Gun
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Thank you kind Sir...
)Here's one without the stucco
Macmac
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Warl, looky thar! Now loose that blue bandana, the t shirt, and maybe, just maybe them dawg tags, and youl'd be fittin in to my ideas on a game.
Now I understand the pic was taken for kicks and you don't go around in double livin all the time, as I am usually found in one garment or another from the old days too, so others of the same ilk as me can tell in this foolish 21st century, where a man has to work!
Speakin of work I just scalped the top right off my index finger first knuckel in a squirrel cage fan made in France. Them bastids are gettin even I guess. I bleed all over that machine too....
Now I understand the pic was taken for kicks and you don't go around in double livin all the time, as I am usually found in one garment or another from the old days too, so others of the same ilk as me can tell in this foolish 21st century, where a man has to work!
Speakin of work I just scalped the top right off my index finger first knuckel in a squirrel cage fan made in France. Them bastids are gettin even I guess. I bleed all over that machine too....
Macmac
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Smokin you one of these guys? Akwesasne Mohawk of the St. Larwence Valley or Snake Ader People? Man I hope not as i don't play games with the lovers of the Yangwezze, well other than caress them
I didn't mention it but I noted the copper braclet which is good to go.. And I guess you sorta live where the old south west is popular.
More or less I live in the gateway to America, and can play F&I right where it was fought, and there is an amazing amount of leftover redoubts and the like still on Lac du St. Sacrement, you all call lake george NY.
I don't do Rev War because all of them guys are sissy's and go to jeans at 5 pm sharp... I have been into 1812, and American Fur Trade, so I end at 1840, unless someone invites me to something after than and can rig me out.
So far the 2 times I did Civil War I got in trouble with the Yankees.. I think I was supposed to as I played a part on the Southern side..
I didn't mention it but I noted the copper braclet which is good to go.. And I guess you sorta live where the old south west is popular.
More or less I live in the gateway to America, and can play F&I right where it was fought, and there is an amazing amount of leftover redoubts and the like still on Lac du St. Sacrement, you all call lake george NY.
I don't do Rev War because all of them guys are sissy's and go to jeans at 5 pm sharp... I have been into 1812, and American Fur Trade, so I end at 1840, unless someone invites me to something after than and can rig me out.
So far the 2 times I did Civil War I got in trouble with the Yankees.. I think I was supposed to as I played a part on the Southern side..
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My Story
Here's my story...
I was born a Yankee/Akwesasne(Mohawk).{Named: Smokin'Gun}Traveled up into Canada, Quebec, around the St.Lawrence River Valley, Vermont, headed South to So.Carolina, Ft.Jackson(Inf/Leg, enlisted, traveled some. Made my way thru the South as a Confedrate Scout/Cavalry/SGT. Ended up here in the Mojave Desert with "The Gray Ghost" Mosby's Rangers.
This Journey is athentic, dates and names may vary as to the era, people, and places I went...but I was born a Yankee/Akwasasne Native American(1/8) did join the Army Ft.Jackson S.C. did travel and go West thru the South.
Damn it I guess it's true...
The Akwesane Reservation is in Saranac Lake N.Y. not far from Lake Placid...
I was born in the Town of Malone in Franklin Country of upstate New York.
Here's my story...
I was born a Yankee/Akwesasne(Mohawk).{Named: Smokin'Gun}Traveled up into Canada, Quebec, around the St.Lawrence River Valley, Vermont, headed South to So.Carolina, Ft.Jackson(Inf/Leg, enlisted, traveled some. Made my way thru the South as a Confedrate Scout/Cavalry/SGT. Ended up here in the Mojave Desert with "The Gray Ghost" Mosby's Rangers.
This Journey is athentic, dates and names may vary as to the era, people, and places I went...but I was born a Yankee/Akwasasne Native American(1/8) did join the Army Ft.Jackson S.C. did travel and go West thru the South.
Damn it I guess it's true...
The Akwesane Reservation is in Saranac Lake N.Y. not far from Lake Placid...
I was born in the Town of Malone in Franklin Country of upstate New York.
Smokin_Gun
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Akwesasne
Here' a Description of my Tribes's nature...
Smokin_gun,As a Mohawk from Akwesasne {St.Regis}along with the Mohawks of Kanawake
{Caugnawaga}and others you would have been known as a Catholic Mohawk and during the
F&I War period would have been an ally of the French and part of the Seven Nations Of
Canada sometimes also called the Seven Fires or The Seven Villages. For more on
Akwesasne see http://www.wampumchronicles.com and find Akwesasne You should be carrying
a French gun either a Fusil de Chasse or a Fusil Fin de Chasse.The most appropriate
gun for you would be a Fusil de Chasse of the Pied de vache, sometimes referred to as
a cows foot pattern which is a plain iron mounted fusil with the highly convex comb
line and a concave lower butt line.It would not probably be a fusil made by
Tulle as they were't trade guns per se.Since the kit guns sold by TOW and others have
unmarked locks, they would be OK.Forget this business of Types C and D. These are 20th
century archealogical terms originated by T.M.Hamilton to denote dug artifacts. In his
first book,"Early Indian Trade Guns: 1625-1775"{1968} he listed Types A-R then when
he wrote "Colonial Frontier Guns"{1980} he concentrated on Types C and D {French} and
type G {English}. The C and D classifications refer to archealogically recovered mounts
,locks,and barrels many from the South and mostly trade guns many with brass furniture.
These two classifications are extremely broad {Ca.1680-CA.1760}. He does discuss other
guns including English and Dutch. Unfortunately many have built and sold guns as well
as kits purporting to be Types C and D when in reality they didn't exist in the 17th
and 18th centuries.
Another problem exists with the Tulle guns which were never trade guns.From 1691-1741
Tulle made guns for the King and in particular the Ministry de la Marine which had
jurisdiction over all French land forces in New France. They were distributed to the
Milice, the Compagnies de Francais, various French officers,officials, selected Indian
Chiefs,traders and probably to licensed Coureurs de Bois, and perhaps to some
Voyageurs. All trade guns were made by other makers such as the armories of St.Etienne,
Maubege,Charleville,and a variety of private gunsmiths.In addition a great number of
these trade guns were made in Liege {then part of the Netherlands}.
In my opinion the most correct gun for you would have been,as I stated above, a Fusil
de chasse {musket for hunting} of the pied de vache pattern iron mounted with a plain
solid side plate. Hamilton shows several in "Colonial Frontier Guns". If, however, you
want a fancier gun then the very best Fusil fin {the so called Types C and D} kit that
I have seen is the Fusil Fin {not the Type D kit} offered by R.E.Davis Company. I have
seen one of these kits in its early stage of completion and compared it to an early 18th
century original Fusil fin gun and the kit was very accurate in its recreation of the
early French Fusil fin.There does need to be some cosmetic work done on the externals of
the lock but that's not a major problem.The problem is that at present there is NO totally
correct French lock available commercially.I hope this helps.
Tom Patton
Here' a Description of my Tribes's nature...
Smokin_gun,As a Mohawk from Akwesasne {St.Regis}along with the Mohawks of Kanawake
{Caugnawaga}and others you would have been known as a Catholic Mohawk and during the
F&I War period would have been an ally of the French and part of the Seven Nations Of
Canada sometimes also called the Seven Fires or The Seven Villages. For more on
Akwesasne see http://www.wampumchronicles.com and find Akwesasne You should be carrying
a French gun either a Fusil de Chasse or a Fusil Fin de Chasse.The most appropriate
gun for you would be a Fusil de Chasse of the Pied de vache, sometimes referred to as
a cows foot pattern which is a plain iron mounted fusil with the highly convex comb
line and a concave lower butt line.It would not probably be a fusil made by
Tulle as they were't trade guns per se.Since the kit guns sold by TOW and others have
unmarked locks, they would be OK.Forget this business of Types C and D. These are 20th
century archealogical terms originated by T.M.Hamilton to denote dug artifacts. In his
first book,"Early Indian Trade Guns: 1625-1775"{1968} he listed Types A-R then when
he wrote "Colonial Frontier Guns"{1980} he concentrated on Types C and D {French} and
type G {English}. The C and D classifications refer to archealogically recovered mounts
,locks,and barrels many from the South and mostly trade guns many with brass furniture.
These two classifications are extremely broad {Ca.1680-CA.1760}. He does discuss other
guns including English and Dutch. Unfortunately many have built and sold guns as well
as kits purporting to be Types C and D when in reality they didn't exist in the 17th
and 18th centuries.
Another problem exists with the Tulle guns which were never trade guns.From 1691-1741
Tulle made guns for the King and in particular the Ministry de la Marine which had
jurisdiction over all French land forces in New France. They were distributed to the
Milice, the Compagnies de Francais, various French officers,officials, selected Indian
Chiefs,traders and probably to licensed Coureurs de Bois, and perhaps to some
Voyageurs. All trade guns were made by other makers such as the armories of St.Etienne,
Maubege,Charleville,and a variety of private gunsmiths.In addition a great number of
these trade guns were made in Liege {then part of the Netherlands}.
In my opinion the most correct gun for you would have been,as I stated above, a Fusil
de chasse {musket for hunting} of the pied de vache pattern iron mounted with a plain
solid side plate. Hamilton shows several in "Colonial Frontier Guns". If, however, you
want a fancier gun then the very best Fusil fin {the so called Types C and D} kit that
I have seen is the Fusil Fin {not the Type D kit} offered by R.E.Davis Company. I have
seen one of these kits in its early stage of completion and compared it to an early 18th
century original Fusil fin gun and the kit was very accurate in its recreation of the
early French Fusil fin.There does need to be some cosmetic work done on the externals of
the lock but that's not a major problem.The problem is that at present there is NO totally
correct French lock available commercially.I hope this helps.
Tom Patton
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ha haaa! LOL
This is a great thread, though I haven't been to a Rendezvous since I was 19 or so.
Smokin Gun....
This is a really fun thread now...I loved reading your post above. The whole issue of the Indian Trade guns and their existance is full of debate. Most interesting read. Here in Maine, at the Maine State Armory are examples of Brown Bess's that are short enough to be trade guns. I've always argued it they existed in the day...then they are PC, no matter what we argue.
Great post, I enjoyed it!
giz
This is a really fun thread now...I loved reading your post above. The whole issue of the Indian Trade guns and their existance is full of debate. Most interesting read. Here in Maine, at the Maine State Armory are examples of Brown Bess's that are short enough to be trade guns. I've always argued it they existed in the day...then they are PC, no matter what we argue.
Great post, I enjoyed it!
giz
Macmac
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Great piece SG....
giz you in Maine? You maineiack you ! LOL You just might wanna look up the 'Ancient Ones' some day, but don't tell em you know me!
If you do they will set you down and feed you till you get FAT! prolly gitchy all drunked up too..
giz you in Maine? You maineiack you ! LOL You just might wanna look up the 'Ancient Ones' some day, but don't tell em you know me!
If you do they will set you down and feed you till you get FAT! prolly gitchy all drunked up too..
Speedo66
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Macmac, you get the costume prize as far as I 'm concerned.
The only downside I see is going around with little clothes on if the weather turns cold.
But I guess an old forest dweller like you can handle it.
The only downside I see is going around with little clothes on if the weather turns cold.
But I guess an old forest dweller like you can handle it.
DrLaw
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I'm looking at Macmac's eyes in that photo where he is beating on the drum, and I think, this is not a fellow I would have wanted to run into in a dark woods!
Yep, he's got it here, hands down, but I wonder, that photo with the wife having the nose ring...
Did she just put it in to save him face at that time. I mean, like most married men, isn't she in charge and leading him by the nose?
Just wondering.
The Doc is out now.
PS, jealous that you are walking the walk, and I just watch from the sidelines.
Yep, he's got it here, hands down, but I wonder, that photo with the wife having the nose ring...
Did she just put it in to save him face at that time. I mean, like most married men, isn't she in charge and leading him by the nose?
Just wondering.
The Doc is out now.
PS, jealous that you are walking the walk, and I just watch from the sidelines.
Smokin_Gun
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Mamac that's How I dress in the 21st Century...it's not supposed to be period it's jus' me...
Macmac
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SG, Yeah I know that, and even said so....
Doc The nose ring keeps out evil spirits, as do earrings and other shell or silver ornaments.
I fear Doc, that I just might be the last real knuckel dragger. If she steps out of line on me I start soaking hawks in the toliet. You hear what I'm sayin?
giz, if you copy that pic of my Bride n' me and take it to those old geezers, they will know who I am. Just be sure to give em a lot of guff if you do... And what ever you do, don't take any back!
naw I wasn't in Maine in a long time.. Some of them come to 'Muster In the Mountains' in Sept, these days located in Randolf NH, west off Rt 2 to you.
I saw them more when the fort in Annson was the place to be.
Speedo66 little clothes? I go do the Battle on Snoe Shoes ova' ta Lak du St. Sacrement like this.. No big deal.. but the mocs are slippery in knee deep snow.. Ticks off the 20 somethings that they can't keep up..
One little discovery some many years ago was that paint which is bear grease and iron oxide is good for wind and rain protection, and it is really good at sticking every living bug you come in contact with too. It kills them and gives me a better appearance, when the appearance is to look lethal.
I didn't just start doing this yesterday ya know...
No Problem, but I sort of resent the word 'costume'. To me it is what I wear like a buisness man wears a 3 piece suit and a tie.. it is common wear to me, and I have been at this long enough where it is my life style, and not so much a hobby. I understand your point though.
Since wally world and K-mart don't carry any of these items I pretty much have to make them, and or get them from others like me who make them.
I didn't make the boots, but they were made very well right down to birch shoe pegs for the Patriot. The quality of them was a real shock.
What we all share is Black Powder, and just this one item can lead a man down a very crooked path. The first thing it did for me was make me look in nature differently, and that started with wanting rocks I could use to start fire.
From there it lead to learning wood types, and what each wood is for and why.
That lead to telling trees in any season, or after milling by the grain.
It doesn't do a man any good to want maple syrup, and not be able to tell the tree in winter because there are no leaves to see.
When I started I had no more idea on how to hand sew than I did to type on a keyboard, and I just started typoing in 2001.
Now I can close my eyes and see the patterns for capote's trade shirts, mocs and more.
Doc The nose ring keeps out evil spirits, as do earrings and other shell or silver ornaments.
I fear Doc, that I just might be the last real knuckel dragger. If she steps out of line on me I start soaking hawks in the toliet. You hear what I'm sayin?
giz, if you copy that pic of my Bride n' me and take it to those old geezers, they will know who I am. Just be sure to give em a lot of guff if you do... And what ever you do, don't take any back!
naw I wasn't in Maine in a long time.. Some of them come to 'Muster In the Mountains' in Sept, these days located in Randolf NH, west off Rt 2 to you.
I saw them more when the fort in Annson was the place to be.
Speedo66 little clothes? I go do the Battle on Snoe Shoes ova' ta Lak du St. Sacrement like this.. No big deal.. but the mocs are slippery in knee deep snow.. Ticks off the 20 somethings that they can't keep up..
One little discovery some many years ago was that paint which is bear grease and iron oxide is good for wind and rain protection, and it is really good at sticking every living bug you come in contact with too. It kills them and gives me a better appearance, when the appearance is to look lethal.
I didn't just start doing this yesterday ya know...
No Problem, but I sort of resent the word 'costume'. To me it is what I wear like a buisness man wears a 3 piece suit and a tie.. it is common wear to me, and I have been at this long enough where it is my life style, and not so much a hobby. I understand your point though.
Since wally world and K-mart don't carry any of these items I pretty much have to make them, and or get them from others like me who make them.
I didn't make the boots, but they were made very well right down to birch shoe pegs for the Patriot. The quality of them was a real shock.
What we all share is Black Powder, and just this one item can lead a man down a very crooked path. The first thing it did for me was make me look in nature differently, and that started with wanting rocks I could use to start fire.
From there it lead to learning wood types, and what each wood is for and why.
That lead to telling trees in any season, or after milling by the grain.
It doesn't do a man any good to want maple syrup, and not be able to tell the tree in winter because there are no leaves to see.
When I started I had no more idea on how to hand sew than I did to type on a keyboard, and I just started typoing in 2001.
Now I can close my eyes and see the patterns for capote's trade shirts, mocs and more.
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Baaaaah!
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alemonkey
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Looking good guys.
I've been wanting to try cowboy action shooting someday. But I don't think I can talk the wife into letting me buy two revolvers, a levergun, and a scattergun plus all of the attire. I probably should start saving up, but I have too many irons in the fire right now.
I've been wanting to try cowboy action shooting someday. But I don't think I can talk the wife into letting me buy two revolvers, a levergun, and a scattergun plus all of the attire. I probably should start saving up, but I have too many irons in the fire right now.
Smokin_Gun
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Thanks Giz glad you enjoy it...I like that time ... most interesting period of weapons, Loyalties, and rules of engagement. :O)
DrLaw
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An ailment more common than one would suspect.
I, too, suffer in almost silence, this - dare I call it - yes, I will call it A DISEASE (hoping for Federal Stimulus Money!!!!! ). C&R, pistol league, rifle league, model trains, model planes, photography, etc... Too many irons, but all so much fun!! The Doc is out now.
madcratebuilder
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Ain't that the truth! What scale trains do you do? I've been building a outdoor G scale for the past four years, I may need to buy the lot next door. I do large scale electric heli's, .50 gasser converted to 55volt brushless.
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