Your tax dollars at work: Gun Violence: A Biopsychosocial Disease

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I like to keep up with what is going around the world in Infectious Diseases. Lots of bad things like
Acinetobacter baumannii is a Gram-Negative that I got a VA but it did not quite kill me. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3442836/

Here is today's update:

Gun violence is a complex biopsychosocial disease and as such, requires a multidisciplinary approach to understanding and treatment. Framing gun violence as a disease places it firmly within medical and public health practice. By applying the disease model to gun violence, it is possible to explore the host, agent, and environment in which gun violence occurs, and to identify risk factors to target for prevention. This approach also provides an opportunity to address scientifically inaccurate assumptions about gun violence. In addition, there are many opportunities for medical communities to treat gun violence as a disease by considering and treating the biologic, behavioral, and social aspects of this disease. The medical community must answer recent calls to engage in gun violence prevention, and employing this model of gun violence as a biopsychosocial disease provides a framework for engagement.

Gun violence is a pervasive public health burden in the United States. Annually, over 36,000 Americans die from firearm-related events; tens of thousands are injured.[1] The medical community has periodically called for framing gun violence as a public health/medical issue.[2–9] Given the impact of gun violence on health and longevity,[10] others have suggested that physicians have a moral obligation to address gun violence.[11,12] More recently, others have called upon physicians to integrate firearm-related education about safety with their patients.[13]

Calls for engagement have increased with multiple physician organizations calling for action.[2,14] In much the same way that human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) rates grew unchecked until we began to acknowledge that it was a biopsychosocial disease that could be prevented and controlled, and scientifically we moved past the social stigmas of a disease first recognized as largely affecting homosexual men, gun violence will continue unchecked until we invest in research to discover effective means to reduce it. To fully engage physicians and other sectors of the healthcare community, we need to frame gun violence as a biopsychosocial disease.[12] We know that gun violence follows predictable patterns just like infectious diseases and other illnesses.[15]For example, young African-American males are at increased risk of firearm-related homicide, while older White males are at increased risk for firearm-related suicide. Through an understanding of the risk factors for a disease, we can identify means of control and prevention.

The disease model approach was first advanced in the 19th century and continues today. With a science driven understanding of disease etiology, physicians and other civic leaders were positioned to discover vaccines, thus changing the environments that breed the vectors of illnesses, while identifying high-risk groups for preventative interventions– all driven by the science of discovery. We are seeing this unfold today with the Zika virus,[16]and the prevention strategies of other communicable diseases such as tuberculosis and HIV that continue to benefit from the rigorous application of the disease model. By identifying and understanding the disease agent, its vector of transmission, and the high-risk hosts and environments, all sectors of civil society – healthcare, public health, businesses, schools, fire and police agencies– can work in concert to institute interventions that reduce morbidity and mortality. These interventions may prevent exposure to the agent that causes disease, reduce the chance of becoming ill if exposed, or limit the damage after the disease is contracted.

Scientific investigations have advanced the disease model to include other causes of cellular/organ damage from a variety of etiologic agents.[17] For decades, clinicians and public health professionals have been trained to understand the definition of disease as having four components: etiology, pathogenesis, morphologic changes, and clinical significance. [17] We have learned that the etiologic agents of diseases are categorized into biologic and physical agents that interact with cells and organs, resulting in disruptions of cell walls and the release of substances that cause additional destruction.[18]For example, with the Ebola virus disease, the pathogenesis occurs over days and can manifest up to 21 days after exposure. The virus begins to replicate and results in morphologic changes in cells/organs that manifest as a constellation of symptoms, resulting in nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea, leading to dehydration, organ failure and death.

Analogously, the kinetic energy from a bullet is the physical agent of gun violence. The kinetic energy imparted by the speeding mass of the bullet results in the tearing of cellular membranes, leading to edema, fractures, and bleeding, resulting in organ failure, shock, and death. The energy (KE=1/2MV2), is transmitted to the host/patient from the bullet – penetrating the skin, entering the body, and transmitting the energy, leading to temporary and permanent cavity formation, and a sterile injury to the patient.[18,19] The pathophysiology of this disease has received limited examination because the agent (kinetic energy) causes destruction so quickly (less than 0.1 sec).[20] The high-speed video camera is the "microscope" for this rapidly occurring disease. It is through this "lens" that we can document the temporary and permanent cavity formation that is the hallmark of the biology of this disease.[19–21] This dramatically brief pathophysiology limits acute interventions during the release of kinetic energy and is distinctive since diseases from other agents, such as viruses and bacteria, clinically develop over days or weeks.

By framing gun violence as a biopsychosocial disease,[22] it engages the healthcare community of physicians and nurses, complements the necessary multidisciplinary approach to advance our scientific understanding, and informs host, agent/vector, and environmentally-focused interventions beyond the immediate biology of fractures, bleeding, and edema. This is critically important since preventing and controlling gun violence will not occur to any significant degree until we begin to approach it in a manner similar to controlling other biopsychosocial diseases such as HIV. One immediate benefit of framing gun violence as a disease is the opportunity to address misleading/limiting statements as scientifically inaccurate, yet repeated over and over again. One of the most common of these is: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people."

The disease model provides us with accuracy: the bullet and its kinetic energy shreds, tears and destroys cells, and damages organs, leading to death and disability. While the behavioral health issues that result in a person pulling a trigger and releasing the energy need to be better understood, first and foremost we need scientifically accurate statements that advance the necessary, challenging discussions. By recognizing that bullets kill people, the gun, which carries the bullets, becomes a necessary focus of intervention. One such strategy would be to limit the rate of the release of bullets by, for example, banning bump stocks or automatic weapons, or by reducing the amount of potential energy the gun can carry (magazine capacity). Without this framing we will be limited to education of our patients[13] or continue to be stuck, mired in debates that do not advance scientific understanding, but only entrench positions. We limit progress related to gun violence by not addressing the environment and the social context and psychological antecedents and outcomes of this disease that affect patients, families and communities.


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https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/905840?src=wnl_edit_tpal&uac=312637AZ&impID=1868804&faf=1
 
I read the whole thing and thanks for bringing it to my attention. I spent a few minutes checking their claims and they can easily be debunked.

First, they are idiots or liars--the number of bullets and speed of release has little effects on 2/3rds of those "gun violence" deaths--these are suicides which do not depend on such things. Means of suicide are also easily changed (see Japan which has high rates of suicide yet almost no one owns a firearm).

Automatic weapons are already tightly restricted and legal ones have only been involved in a couple of criminal cases since the NFA act started; until Vegas (and the authorities are playing coy there about whether these were actually used), there were no reported cases of using bumpstocks for mass mayhem. Handguns are the weapon of choice for thugs compared with long arms and background checks have shown little or no effect on homicide or suicide rates.

Every single thing on their list as preventatives in that research has not proved to be effective when compared with incarceration of bad guys or suicide prevention activities. That tells me they are simply cribbing from the current gun grabber's portfolio of preferred talking points. Follow the money, who paid for this research which should be disclosed on the original journal article (NIH is reprinting it)--otherwise, chances are the authors are seeking funding via grants from anti-gun foundations to finance their word salad biopsychosocial model.

BTW, HIV infections from 2012-16 have a lower rate of infection but stable number of new infections and a refusal to apply standard sexually transmitted disease protocols to HIV which inform people in contact with infected individuals has actually led to a higher death and infection rate. Estimates are that 1 in 7 do not know that they are infected which increase future deaths and infections. Their idiotic patting themselves on the back to their model's success in this fight instead of attributing it to pharmaceuticals that treat hiv is rather indicative of lazy and incompetent research.
E.g.
" From 1980 through 2014, infectious diseases composed 5.4% (95% CI, 5.1% to 5.8%) of overall mortality. Per 100 000 population, infectious disease mortality increased from 42.0 in 1980 to 63.5 in 1995, paralleling trends in HIV/AIDS mortality. A decline in overall and HIV/AIDS mortality in 1995 was associated with the introduction of antiretroviral therapy (Figure, B). The overall AAPC was 0.4 (95% CI, −0.4 to 1.2) from 1980 through 2014."

Hansen V, Oren E, Dennis LK, Brown HE. Infectious Disease Mortality Trends in the United States, 1980-2014. JAMA. 2016;316(20):2149–2151. doi:10.1001/jama.2016.12423

Note that if their biopsychosocial model actually did what they said it did, then it would have certainly be recognized in this article.

BTW, JAMA outranks the journal that those authors published in.
 
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Gun violence is a complex biopsychosocial disease and as such, requires a multidisciplinary approach to understanding and treatment. Framing gun violence as a disease places it firmly within medical and public health practice. By applying the disease model to gun violence, it is possible to explore the host, agent, and environment in which gun violence occurs, and to identify risk factors to target for prevention.




By recognizing that bullets kill people, the gun, which carries the bullets, becomes a necessary focus of intervention.

One such strategy would be to limit the rate of the release of bullets by, for example, banning bump stocks or automatic weapons, or by reducing the amount of potential energy the gun can carry (magazine capacity).

Without this framing we will be limited to education of our patients[13] or continue to be stuck, mired in debates that do not advance scientific understanding, but only entrench positions.

We limit progress related to gun violence by not addressing the environment and the social context and psychological antecedents and outcomes of this disease that affect patients, families and communities.

Man, I wish my grad school essays could be so light on analysis.

Just because they can "frame gun violence as a disease" doesn't make their work any more valid. For one, what parallels can they draw that allow them to effectively do that? They don't say. An unsupported assertion that is the basis for the entire article means that the whole thing is suspect at best.

They draw parallels to the success of vaccines and decrease in auto accidents, but those are false comparisons. Those two situations are (for the most part) avoided by all parties except the vector itself in the case of a biological disease. No one wants to be in a car accident so BOTH parties (generally) try to avoid it. Same thing with vaccines - the disease is environmental, not targeted. A better parallel would be Chem/Bio terror where you have a specific actor (person) using a tool (the disease) to target a specific person/group/area.

Notice that there's no mention of the intent of the attacker playing a role in any of this. They treat it as if the mere presence of a gun causes people to be shot (another unproven assumption on the part of the authors).

And finally, they provide absolutely no support for their proposals. A real study should describe not only what they recommend, but why they recommend it (their analysis and data) and what effect it will have on the goal (population health). They also avoided discussing the low mortality rate of pistols given modern medicine and proximity to effective healthcare.They don't do any of that, so they are basically just grabbing the current gun control talking points and putting a healthcare wrapper on it. The end of their paper has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of it (from an academic perspective).


I do think there is room for a study on violence (not targeted at guns mind you) from a social/epidemiology perspective, but my expectation is that all you would get out of it is a very small cluster of the population accounting for the vast majority of unlawful killings. Of course there are things to learn in that data set, but they are much more likely to be related to social interventions rather than weapon bans.
 
Cars kill more people than guns, maybe we should treat car drivers as a biosychosocial illness.

That would make more sense. At least the huge majority of car deaths are accidental - there's something going on there besides intentional human actions.

In contrast, almost all gun deaths are on purpose (whether suicides or homicides). There is a human who is actively seeking the outcome. That's totally unlike disease, where pretty much everyone involved wants there not to be disease.

I also love that there is no weight assigned in the "public health model" of gun violence to the 99.99+% of gun use that is not harmful.

It's all such a joke... too bad so few people are in on the joke.
 
No matter what BS they use or what angle they come from it is the same old thing, gun control, and guns still kill far fewer people than many things they don't seemed to be concerned about at all. Perhaps it isn't lives they care about after all, just removing guns (weapons) from the people so they can rule safely, just like rulers before them as far back as time has been recorded.

Gun control is about people control and nothing else.
 
They conveniently overlook the variations on the vector of the pathogen. The vector is dissociative anti-social behavior exhibited by criminals, psychopaths, and deeply depressed suicidal people. The vector is the most important part of “disease transmission”. It’s not the gun, because if the gun were the disease vector, 300 million of them should be going off every day in this country. Instead, it’s a completely different disease afflicting only a minuscule portion of the population far too statistically insignificant to be considered an epidemic. Is there an epidemic of fatal car crashes because one happens in every 10 million miles of highway driving? 9+ pound triggers and every safety catch possible are the equivalent of seatbelts and airbags. Seems like prudent safety features are designed into these products. At some point it comes down to individual acts and not a system failure or disease model.
 
I agree that the article is BS, but what does an article in a medical journal have to do with my tax dollars.
 
I still remember Obama defunding mental health facilities, at the behest of the insurance industry. Then the addition of “do you have guns at home” being added to healthcare questionnaires. I believe it is an end run to disarmament, as what’s best for society.
 
If they can call it a disease they will easily be able to ban firearms in the not too distant future folks. First make it a disease, then eradicate the disease in the name of public health. Just like polio and so many others. Just you wait until they get their single payer healthcare system. Now they will have to ban guns for health care costs too. They will stop at nothing. They will work it from any and every angle until they get what they want.
 
Medscape is not exactly a medical research journal, either. More a Time magazine digest of other medical stuff as read by a person with only limited medical knowledge.

Thank you. I would really like to know a better source. I am not a doctor so some are behind a paywall/ lack of credentials wall. But I do know that the mcr -1, a gene or plasmid that can make bacteria resistant to colistin, is moving around the globe. Colistin is Polymixin "E". Another is Polymixin "B", an IV antibiotic that is supposed to kill the worst Gram-negative bacteria, but I tried it and after 5 days and constant blood monitoring, doctors discontinued because it was killing my kidneys. I still have areas of skin with nerves that are not working right.

I prefer the info from https://www.nlm.nih.gov/
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But when I tried to get the truth of "Is Codeine a good cough suppressant?" This 2010 article says no. That ran 180° to what I knew worked since 1978. I have a lingering cough from a mild case of flu that woke me up around 3 am. I took a Tylenol 300/30mg Codeine and 5mg diazepam. I am not coughing 40 minutes later. My flu shot may have saved my life. At 72 with other issues, I may have gotten over the flu only to have given myself a case of Aspiration Pneumonia. If I'm coughing on Monday, I will visit a Pulmonologist.

As far as the "tax dollars at work?" Taxpayers have been trying to de-fund the taxpayer-supported CDC to stop gun death efforts forever, it seems. Dollars that could be spent on anything because everything else might have a better use.


Sources:

https://www.cdc.gov/drugresistance/solutions-initiative/stories/gene-reported-mcr.html


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2921574/
 
There is no such thing as "gun violence". Its a made up fallacy by those who want to disarm the populace.
Very true a catch phrase to demonize guns.
Makes me wonder what they would name the disease of abortion. That disease has legally killed an entire generation of truly innocent Americans.
 
Attention to all. If you bring up abortion and/or race, your time here will be limited. No good comes of these conversations.

Second, comparing other forms of death to those by guns in some way trying to excuse gun deaths or injuries isn't really useful outside of the choir. It doesn't make them nicer.

Third, we don't care about marijuana.

If you want discuss the pros and cons of the OP article, go ahead. If you just want to post one line comments, such as there is no such thing as gun violence or this is BS - does that contribute?

This will stay open if we can have a reasoned discussion of the OP piece.
 
The point was that discussing marijuana was irrelevant to the thread. That should have been clear. So here's the deal, don't wander off topic for your pet peeve, brilliant or crackpot ideas.

So, if you want to close the thread, keep it up. The staff has better things to do than keep trimming posts from people who can't get the point. Thus, we will delete them and then give nasty points to repeat offenders.

Last if you disagree with staff decisions, take your complaint to a private message. I won't delete these irrelevances as to make the point by example to all.
 
It’s an epidemic only in that it’s a fad replicated by other miscreants. It’s a social behavior epidemic not in the general population or even among gun owners , but in a tiny fraction of people with an obsession to do harm , terrible psychic pain from depression , or criminal behavior aided and abetted by criminals or a lack of self control.

We know the causes and we know the profiles. Whose civil rights do we violate to interdict the criminals? Everybody’s? Wrong answer.
 
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