herrwalther
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
YouTube prankster vs CCW. Guess who lost?
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bubbaturbo
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I wonder how sure they are that it was a prank.
wis bang
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Local Pizzeria almost 10PM, after mom and girl friend case the store, in walks 2 brothers with airsoft guns.
When one brother starts to pistol whip one customer who pulls out his carry .45 and shoots both.
Mom and girlfriend charged for death of the brothers.
You can't fix stupid
When one brother starts to pistol whip one customer who pulls out his carry .45 and shoots both.
Mom and girlfriend charged for death of the brothers.
You can't fix stupid
Double Naught Spy
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Part of the reason why the criminals really don't worry about CCW folks is that they really are so few and far between, things like this happen so infrequently. Now, pranks like this on strangers is going to be fairly rare compared robberies on strangers. They happen a lot more often and the criminal element isn't really threatened by the possibility that intended victims are armed.
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That’s an interesting take. I suppose I far overestimate the number of concealed carriers. But that’s a good thing. It discourages road rage, for example. An armed society is a polite society.
The DFW area has road rage shootings every day and they do not even make the news most of the time.
If they do not make the news, how do you know they are so frequent?
I have edited my cranky post to note the date shift. My apologies for also missing the dates on the story.
Atavar
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Could the shooter sue the dead guys estate for mental anguish or something?
Doc Samson
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Might be just a bit off the main topic but I've started binging a few "defensive gun use" channels and have to say it is mind-blowing how many people seem to not understand what a firearm can do when it's being pointed at you...
Because the prank was being video recorded to post.
Howland937
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Fight or flight instincts are real. Anyone who's ever jumped out to scare someone and got a fist to the face instead of a scream knows this. I learned long ago.
I remember reading this story a while back. Like most similar scenarios, multiple failures occurred in the years, months, days and minutes preceding the shooting. Like most, it could have all been avoided with just one less bad decision by the person who was shot.
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This is yet another reason why we need to educate kids early on about the Second Amendment and guns. I did some extremely stupid things as a teenager, but somehow even I knew you might get shot if you run up on someone with a knife, and we weren't even allowed to carry in MN until 2003!
Double Naught Spy
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At the same time, we constantly talk about how ineffective handguns are at stopping people or killing them. Yeah, they can cause a lot of damage or kill you. At the same time, they may do very little and you walk yourself into the ER to get bandaids and antibiotics.
You think that if young people are told of the danger, they will completely respect it? Of course not. This is going to happen again and again.
People keep saying that the YouTuber failed to understand he could get shot, but in reality, he failed to understand ALL of the ways the intended victim could defend themselves, get revenge, or take them to court. What about knives? The intended victim of the video could have been carrying a knife, a sap, a club, brass knuckle, stun gun, skilled martial artist, MMA, etc. This really goes well beyond the simple notion that young people need to know about guns and the 2A.
Let's face it, the YouTuber committed a felony of aggravated assault. He knew what he was doing in his attempt to scare the hell out of a person (undoubted goal of the prank/social experiment to get a frightened reaction). He failed to consider the ramifications or to give them the full consideration needed. This goes for so many stupid things people do, even when they know there is a risk, but rationalize that nothing bad will happen.
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....and in MHO, the belittling of the victim by continuously calling him an idiot is display of stupidity itself. There was no "gist" in the story about any "idiot", just your embellishment. This is going to be a hard thing for the family, the friend and the shooter. Was the shooter within his rights? Yes, for sure, but finding out that his life was not really threatened and he killed young man in the prime of his life, because of a joke? Your story give us little details of the attack or who's idea it was, or even if there were others involved. Was there poor judgement involved? Yep, and may very well have been from both the shooter and the deceased. Back when I was a kid, the age of adolescence was judged to be till the age of 18. Nowadays it is considered by many, to be 24 or older. Not the kids fault, but ours as a society. Adolescents have yet to fully develop their ability to always make correct choices and to foresee the consequences of those choices. Cell phones, YouTube, Tik-Tok and other platforms has given us all the opportunity for that 5 minutes of fame. One only has to look at any of those "Jackass" videos/movies to see our society thrives on so called "stupidity". In reality, we are all "idiots". Yet, there is no compassion in calling the victim of a prank gone wrong an idiot, just to make our point. There is no compassion in that and this is what we should be displaying towards the victim and his family. Sorry, JMTCs.
Yes it does and it is, at least from the facts we are given.
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Elkins45
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He got himself killed and caused an innocent person potentially a lifetime of mental trauma in the pursuit of viewership. Should I have called him a callous narcissist instead? Maybe a misguided clout-chaser?
Nothing he did in this situation is worthy of approval. Idiot seems appropriate to me. You can still feel sorry for someone who’s an idiot but I have a whole lot less sympathy for him than for the person he thoughtlessly forced to kill him.
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....my point was, you didn't need to call him anything. But you felt the need to belittle him to his family and friends on Social media by calling names. This, TWO YEARS after the incident, with nothing more to base your claims on other than the original brief news release.
Coyote3855
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I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. People do very stupid things in pursuit of internet fame. Not that long ago there were multiple instances of people dressed as clowns, waving weapons and chasing people.
While I absolutely have sympathy for everyone involved in this incident, I have no problem with blaming the guy who got shot or calling him an idiot.
While I absolutely have sympathy for everyone involved in this incident, I have no problem with blaming the guy who got shot or calling him an idiot.
I might be inclined to agree if, in the course of their productive daily lives, a situation presented itself and he'd simply made the wrong decision in the heat of the moment that resulted in a bad outcome. More so the younger the person involved. But in this case, we're talking a pair of 20yo's - old enough to vote and be conscripted into the military - that created the situation themselves out of whole cloth with the intent to emotionally, if not physically, assault someone. You agree that the act was stupid, so I refer to Webster's "Idiot" - a stupid person; a person of low intelligence. Seems an apt descriptor to me.
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Elkins45
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Sometimes a person's larger purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others. In such a case belittling them for their behavior is a time-honored way of communicating that their actions are not to be duplicated.
We shun and ridicule the things we don't want to encourage.
Because my son is a DPD cop or do you think I invent things???
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