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[NIGHTLORD40K]

Another Audie Murphy story was, He was working in the back of a movie studio and a director or big name movie star asked why Audie walked so funny. They were told that he would walk funny also if he had half his ass shot off!
Don't know if it is true or not but I like the story.

Although you rarely notice it on Star Trek, James Doohan (Scotty) only had nine fingers and walked with a limp after being shot six times on D-Day (by friendly fire ). He returned to service and spent the rest of the war as an observation plane pilot and artillery spotter.

 

[JN01]

But I am thinkful modern media producers have become more conscious about muzzle discipline.

Tell that to Alec Baldwin.

 

[Jim Watson]

I have about quit watching tv and movie drama except in social gatherings.
Getting my video fix with Secrets of Skinwalker Ranch right now.

 

[Old_Grouch]

I am thinkful modern media producers have become more conscious about muzzle discipline.

Well, with one recent, notable exception.

 

[The Night Rider]

I read or heard a story about Hugh O'Brian ( I think it was ) sitting around giving Audie Murphy some flack ! Audie told him to put some real bullets in the hand guns and " Lets go out back and settle things " . Hugh got real quiet! Audie was the real thing. he had been to hell and back plus being a actor

I would question that story. I haven't found anything that said that Hugh O'Brian had any combat time but he was badass enough to become a Marine Corps Drill Instructor. I can't imagine Audie Murphy intimidating him all that much

 

[The Night Rider]

The one thing that drives me nuts is when I see actors walking around with their fingers on the triggers of their Glocks.

I took an unloaded, double checked, no ammunition in the room Glock one day and spend an hour trying to depress the trigger dingus without "firing" the gun.

I couldn't do it.

I would suspect that most of the scenes that you see actors in where they're carrying modern guns it's a rubber duck anyway

 

[JohnKSa]

I took an unloaded, double checked, no ammunition in the room Glock one day and spend an hour trying to depress the trigger dingus without "firing" the gun.

Right. If there is no intent to drop the striker (fire the gun if it is loaded) the finger should not even be in the triggerguard. In some of Glock's courses, the instructor will actually have you take your finger out of the triggerguard when transitioning between targets for some drills. Not because they necessarily want that to be SOP in a gunfight but to make it crystal clear that you don't have your finger on the trigger unless you have a target in your sights.

 

[CajunBass]

Like in John Wayne's The Horse Soldiers the Union soldiers are all using the Springfield Model 99 AKA the 1873 Springfield Trapdoor Carbine.........

I remember noticing the same thing in "Shenandoah" in the fight scene where "Boy" joins up with James Best. Best is clearly seen ejecting the brass cartridge from his Trapdoor Springfield. It never bothered me. Muzzle loaders are a pain in the butt for movie makers I suppose. The Trapdoor was better than having them using 1894 Winchesters at least. Now that I think about it, at least some of Jimmy Stewarts little band were armed with some kind of lever action rifles IIRC.

 

[Old Dog]

I remember noticing the same thing in "Shenandoah" in the fight scene where "Boy" joins up with James Best. Best is clearly seen ejecting the brass cartridge from his Trapdoor Springfield. It never bothered me. Muzzle loaders are a pain in the butt for movie makers I suppose. The Trapdoor was better than having them using 1894 Winchesters at least. Now that I think about it, at least some of Jimmy Stewarts little band were armed with some kind of lever action rifles IIRC.

Geez, I've always loved that movie when it comes on TCM or AMC; now I'll never enjoy it fully again.

 

[tark]

Not exactly.

True. But that is exactly what Eric Bana said in the movie, true or not.

 

[tark]

Apparently Delta's policy was to carry their M16s with a magazine inserted, an empty chamber and the hammer down.

I have the book in front of me. I see no such footnote. Can you provide proof of this?

I work at the Rock Island Arsenal Museum ( a U.S. Army military Museum ) and I have come in contact with more than a few "Special Operators " in the past few years. The Rock Island Arsenal is an active duty military base, with detachments from all five members of the military on base. ( yes, there are five. The newly created Space Force is here. ) What Navy Seals and Army special forces personnel are doing on base is a mystery to me, but there they are here. There are about 800 active duty military personnel on base and there are seven General grade officers stationed here. (That's a lot of stars for such a small base..)

Yesterday, A LTC with an arrow head and three lightning bolts patch ( Special Forces, Green Beret ) on his right shoulder came in. I asked him if he ever carried his weapon with a mag inserted and the chamber empty with the hammer down.

The answer was no. the weapon is carried completely empty with no magazine inserted... until you are on the chopper on the way to an engagement. Then it is locked and loaded with the safety engaged upon touchdown.

So, yes, the movie was inaccurate, ( Like that's never happened before!! ) but that was what Eric Bana said in the movie.

P.S. NEVER JUDGE A BOOK BY IT'S MOVIE!

 

[230RN]

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Although you rarely notice it on Star Trek, James Doohan (Scotty) only had nine fingers and walked with a limp after being shot six times on D-Day (by friendly fire ). He returned to service and spent the rest of the war as an observation plane pilot and artillery spotter.

One of the funniest things I saw on Star Trek was where Scotty was reading a red-led digital meter and finger-tapped it a couple of times to assure he had an accurate reading.

That used to be a sort of semi-standard custom in the days of mechanical meters with the needle pointer mounted in bearings.

I guess soon we will have multimeters that respond verbally: "Meter, what is the voltage?" "Meter, how many Ohms is that?" "Meter, I need a true RMS value on that AC."

Might even be able to answer you by name, like with Raj and Siri on TBBT "You've got 8.4 Ohms between my probes, Sexy."

I heard that Audie Murphy shot his own reflection in a mirror while clearing a building.

Terry, 230RN

REF:

The Big Bang Theory | Raj Meets Siri | S5 EP14 | HD

Episode 14 of the 5th season of The Big Bang Theory - The Beta Test Initiation - After developing a rather strange relationship with his new phone, Raj final...

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[The Night Rider]

I have the book in front of me. I see no such footnote. Can you provide proof of this?

I'll go look through my copy of the book and see if I can find it but I've already actually posted video of Norm Hooten saying it right out of his mouth. Is that not proof enough for you?

This is my safety story Norm Hoot Hooten Blackhawk Down

From https://youtu.be/1Ebi36Q7uEI?si=9OHtawtS3NZ__FiP

youtu.be

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

I have the book in front of me. I see no such footnote. Can you provide proof of this?

I work at the Rock Island Arsenal Museum ( a U.S. Army military Museum ) and I have come in contact with more than a few "Special Operators " in the past few years. The Rock Island Arsenal is an active duty military base, with detachments from all five members of the military on base. ( yes, there are five. The newly created Space Force is here. ) What Navy Seals and Army special forces personnel are doing on base is a mystery to me, but there they are here. There are about 800 active duty military personnel on base and there are seven General grade officers stationed here. (That's a lot of stars for such a small base..)

Yesterday, A LTC with an arrow head and three lightning bolts patch ( Special Forces, Green Beret ) on his right shoulder came in. I asked him if he ever carried his weapon with a mag inserted and the chamber empty with the hammer down.

The answer was no. the weapon is carried completely empty with no magazine inserted... until you are on the chopper on the way to an engagement. Then it is locked and loaded with the safety engaged upon touchdown.

So, yes, the movie was inaccurate, ( Like that's never happened before!! ) but that was what Eric Bana said in the movie.

P.S. NEVER JUDGE A BOOK BY IT'S MOVIE!

SOP here and now may be very different from 25 years and half a world away. Besides, I think the point of the scene was the Delta character pointing out that an overly cautious SOP can get you killed when it drops in the pot.

It'll be interesting to see if the IDF keeps the dummy magwell plugs with a live mag clipped to it going forward, as was standard practice for domestic patrols prior to 10/7.

 

[The Night Rider]

I'm pretty sure this photo is from the film but it sure looks like Audie has his finger on the trigger.

 

[Howland937]

If I'm not there being personally affected then I really don't care

But where do you draw the line? Movies? Internet experts on their videos? 4 lanes up from you at a range?

Gun safety had to evolve because readiness evolved. From the guns themselves to how they're carried and equipped.

 

[shafter]

If I'm personally in any sort of significant danger then I care. Otherwise I don't care in the least what someone on YouTube or some fictional movie character does that's safe or unsafe.

It's an unsafe world and people do unsafe things all the time but it seems like only the gun community gets weirdly turned on by being the first to point out safety violations in photos or other media.

 

[tark]

What's with the MG 42, Audie?

Lol

 

[Gun-Reck]

One of the channels in my Sling subscripton started airing episodes of "The Life and Legend of Wyatt Earp" (1955 - 1961).

The lack of gun discipline is, honestly, hilarious. The acting is equally poor, so I'm not concerned about this old series influencing young gun owners. But I am thinkful modern media producers have become more conscious about muzzle discipline.

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[The Night Rider]

What's with the MG 42, Audie?

Lol

Read the book or watch the movie. It was a battlefield pickup.

To hell and back

Audie Murphy in action where he earned Distinguished Service Cross

youtu.be

 

[Howland937]

If I'm personally in any sort of significant danger then I care. Otherwise I don't care in the least what someone on YouTube or some fictional movie character does that's safe or unsafe.

It's an unsafe world and people do unsafe things all the time but it seems like only the gun community gets weirdly turned on by being the first to point out safety violations in photos or other media.

Guess I see it differently, but context matters. I hate trying to help someone learn to shoot when their only prior exposure is some asshat on YT.
For all the good info available there's just as much bad. Good or bad, it can be seen as a reflection on all of us.

Doesn't just pertain to guns. Get customers occasionally that wanna tell me how to fix their car because they saw a couple videos and know just what to do. The cynic in me wants to point to the toolbox and tell them to have at it but that doesn't pay well.
Probably every other forum for any other hobby or profession will be the same way.