Yugo 24/47 Mauser parts interchange?

[Robk13]

Hello all, i recently acquired an m24/47 Mauser rifle in need of a few parts.

There are only two parts I have been unable to find. One is the rear sight spring for these rifles, does it interchange with any other Mauser rifle? I don't see any in stock at the normal shops but an m38 Turkish Mauser sight looks almost identical.

The second part is the lower barrel band spring which was missing from this rifle, from what I understand a k98 band spring is too short. Are there any Mauser band springs that will interchange the m24/47.

All and all after removing the cosmo bit by bit a decent rifle is beginning to appear under the grime, only these two parts are keeping it from being completed.

Thanks everyone in advance!

 

[JeffG]

I would stick with Yugo parts. They are their own thing.

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-manufacturer/mauser/rifles-mauser/2447-yugoslav

 

[Robk13]

Okay thank you for the link! I have everything I need except the band spring.

Does anyone happen to have an m24 or 24/47 that they can measure the band spring on?

Several on eBay range from just north of 2 inches to over 4 inches.

Thanks guys

 

[JeffG]

My 48a has the longer band spring. I pretty sure the 24's are shorter. Kind of dual purpose, no breaks.


https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?1043407-Yugo-24-47-help-finding-the-correct-band

This should be what you are looking at:

 

[Robk13]

Hey thanks a ton for the photos! Mine is like the second picture, it has 2 small barrel bands. I can't believe with the number of these rifles that are state side that I can't find a spring.

The Argentine Mauser spring that I am looking at is 2 1/8" OAL. I think I can modify it but I wanted to see if anyone had a measurement on the spring before I buy it.

 

[JeffG]

After a little research, I would contact this seller, this might be a fit. Good luck.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/312003085707

 

[Robk13]

JeffG I ordered up one of those springs and after shortening it today about 3/8 inch and re cut it fit perfectly on the rifle!!

It seems one issue is that it is an ex-type 2 carbine stock on it so it has the wide band but now it's perfect.

So another issue has developed along the way, this 24/47 has a k98 bolt stop/ ejector box and ejector on it!! It has waffenamps on the parts.

I was under the impression that the Yugo being an intermediate action k98 parts (long action) with a few exceptions would not fit. Is the rifle safe to fire with a k98 bolt stop on it? I was planning on taking it to the range soon so I am curious.

 

[Robk13]

These are the marks on the stop

 

[792mauser]

If it works it'll be fine.
It's not a pressure bearing part so the worst it can do is induce a failure to eject.

 

[boom boom]

These are the marks on the stop

792 Mauser beat me to it.

Yes, it is safe to fire as the lugs in front are what bears the brunt of recoil. The bolt stop is simply to prevent you from pulling the bolt and to provide a spot for the cartridge ejector after firing.

FN when it redesigned the m98 post WWI focused on the bolt length, the barrel (with the semi ridiculous today safety boss on the breech), and the length of the receiver. Thus, parts that rely on the length of those key different parts such as the bolt or receiver must fit (firing pin, spring, trigger guard, follower, floorplate, stock, for example). Other 98k parts may or may not fit such as screws, trigger and sears, ejector, and so on and some may be fitted to the rifles involved like barrel bands. Branko's North Cape book has a lot of that information but I don't have that at my fingertips right now.

 

[Robk13]

Great information to have and it is fun to learn about these old military bolt guns, thank you for all of your responses! I will be heading to the range with some PPU and Egyptian surplus asap! I found some Ethiopian surplus on outdoorlimited for 5.99/15 rds but I have seen bad reviews on this stuff, just thought I would throw that out there in case anyone wants cheap surplus 8mm to shoot or use for reloading components. Thanks again!

 

[boom boom]

Great information to have and it is fun to learn about these old military bolt guns, thank you for all of your responses! I will be heading to the range with some PPU and Egyptian surplus asap! I found some Ethiopian surplus on outdoorlimited for 5.99/15 rds but I have seen bad reviews on this stuff, just thought I would throw that out there in case anyone wants cheap surplus 8mm to shoot or use for reloading components. Thanks again!

There are actually two different 8x57 loadings of PPU for the Mauser. One is to normal Euro levels and the other is weaker and designed for the U.S. markets where it might encounter an old GEW 88 in the original 8x57 mauser with a .318 bore instead of .323. The weaker stuff will not shoot to the sights of your Mauser and the older Egyptian surplus may or may not either. As the powder deteriorates, the burn rate becomes unpredictable with wide variances in pressures. What happens is the powder stabilizer breaks down over time due to the acids latent in powders reacting with the stabilizer over time. Double based powders deteriorate faster than single and handling is part of it along with temperatures. Search for Slamfire's posts on the THR for more detail.

 

[JeffG]

JeffG I ordered up one of those springs and after shortening it today about 3/8 inch and re cut it fit perfectly on the rifle!!

It seems one issue is that it is an ex-type 2 carbine stock on it so it has the wide band but now it's perfect.

So another issue has developed along the way, this 24/47 has a k98 bolt stop/ ejector box and ejector on it!! It has waffenamps on the parts.

I was under the impression that the Yugo being an intermediate action k98 parts (long action) with a few exceptions would not fit. Is the rifle safe to fire with a k98 bolt stop on it? I was planning on taking it to the range soon so I am curious.

Good job!
Yes it is safe, a lot of the non critical parts fit ok, but the action length is different from K98. It's all pure Mauser. Neat that there are Waffen stamps on the parts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zastava_M48

 

[Robk13]

There are actually two different 8x57 loadings of PPU for the Mauser. One is to normal Euro levels and the other is weaker and designed for the U.S. markets where it might encounter an old GEW 88 in the original 8x57 mauser with a .318 bore instead of .323. The weaker stuff will not shoot to the sights of your Mauser and the older Egyptian surplus may or may not either. As the powder deteriorates, the burn rate becomes unpredictable with wide variances in pressures. What happens is the powder stabilizer breaks down over time due to the acids latent in powders reacting with the stabilizer over time. Double based powders deteriorate faster than single and handling is part of it along with temperatures. Search for Slamfire's posts on the THR for more detail.

Very interesting chemistry between those powders and their deterioration! I bought some of the loaded down ppu I'm sure. I think it's 2180 fps advertised velocity. I'm curious about their hotter stuff though, is it closer to mil spec? The only offerings I seem from them in FMJ was the 2180 stuff and the match quality offering.

I also noticed that S&B has a pretty nice military type loading and it's stouter than the ppu. I just can't seem to find it for a reasonable price.

As for the Egyptian I'm curious how it will perform, I have never fired any of it before. I sure do miss the Yugo surplus 8mm that was around for a while.

JeffG, thanks! I'm glad you put that link up so I could score that band spring! I'll post some pictures of the rifle once I get the sling and sight hood (the barrel is cut for it).

 

[Robk13]

I just noticed something else slightly off with this rifle....it looks like the firing pin protrudes a little much at the rear of the bolt.

Found a Czech marking on the safety today so being the Mixmaster that this Yugo is I just wanted to make sure an incorrect firing pin didnt make its way into the bolt before I fire it.

 

[boom boom]

I just noticed something else slightly off with this rifle....it looks like the firing pin protrudes a little much at the rear of the bolt.

Found a Czech marking on the safety today so being the Mixmaster that this Yugo is I just wanted to make sure an incorrect firing pin didnt make its way into the bolt before I fire it.

You may have an altered m98 firing pin as the 24/47 and the m48 Yugo's do have a different firing pin length to accommodate the shorter bolt that the intermediate action uses. I've seen directions on converting m98 to Yugo firing pins somewhere online and that may be what has happened to yours. If you do not have a fp protrusion gage which most people don't (you can get one from Brownells), you can take a thin piece of metal and carefully file slots in it with the center slot being the maximum depth of the firing pin protrusion and the other two cuts being relief cuts for the bolt face rims. There are other ways to check as well. Protrusion of the firing pin shaft to the rear is not really a problem other than looks but the safety may be a little rough to apply if the firing pin keys have burrs from the conversion.

Use this reference guide to check as it has all the key measurements and pictures of the different parts of varying models of Mausers.
http://www.hoosiergunworks.com/catalog/mauser_reference.html

 

[Robk13]

You may have an altered m98 firing pin as the 24/47 and the m48 Yugo's do have a different firing pin length to accommodate the shorter bolt that the intermediate action uses. I've seen directions on converting m98 to Yugo firing pins somewhere online and that may be what has happened to yours. If you do not have a fp protrusion gage which most people don't (you can get one from Brownells), you can take a thin piece of metal and carefully file slots in it with the center slot being the maximum depth of the firing pin protrusion and the other two cuts being relief cuts for the bolt face rims. There are other ways to check as well. Protrusion of the firing pin shaft to the rear is not really a problem other than looks but the safety may be a little rough to apply if the firing pin keys have burrs from the conversion.

Use this reference guide to check as it has all the key measurements and pictures of the different parts of varying models of Mausers.
http://www.hoosiergunworks.com/catalog/mauser_reference.html

That is exactly what I needed!! That clears that up for me. Mine is definitely mid length 183.8mm long.

Interesting that you mentioned a tight safety, when I first got the rifle the safety would not function at all. I just gave the safety a little ramp with a Dremel and polished it and it is functional now. That makes completely good sense now that it's a reworked firing pin. Also is this FP conversion something done by importers or during Yugo refurb?

Thanks again for the link, it's invaluable.

 

[Robk13]

My Yugo pin

 

[boom boom]

That is exactly what I needed!! That clears that up for me. Mine is definitely mid length 183.8mm long.

Interesting that you mentioned a tight safety, when I first got the rifle the safety would not function at all. I just gave the safety a little ramp with a Dremel and polished it and it is functional now. That makes completely good sense now that it's a reworked firing pin. Also is this FP conversion something done by importers or during Yugo refurb?

Thanks again for the link, it's invaluable.

You are welcome. That link has helped me quite a bit over the years and the Hoosier Gunworks owners are interesting--go to the home page and read the story of the 9/11 flag sometime.

Regarding who did the dirty deed, probably the importer but possibly the Yugos. Yugoslavia had a lot of Mausers and Mauser parts post WWII and little cash and things were a mess after WWII. Thus, they used what they had to refurbish the Mausers, built some new ones via the m48 when they could to standardized as Tito did not want to depend on the tender graces of the Russians for arms.

You fixed the safety just right.

 

[Robk13]

Okay, I see now it could have been either one of them who did the FP conversion. I love my rifles to have some history to them, this one has a new barrel but has the been there look and a k98 bolt stop and a few Czech parts and it came that way in Cosmo!

Thanks to everyone for helping me find the parts I needed to fix it up! I have an equally worn out sling on the way that should finish off the old Yugo nicely.

 

[boom boom]

Okay, I see now it could have been either one of them who did the FP conversion. I love my rifles to have some history to them, this one has a new barrel but has the been there look and a k98 bolt stop and a few Czech parts and it came that way in Cosmo!

Thanks to everyone for helping me find the parts I needed to fix it up! I have an equally worn out sling on the way that should finish off the old Yugo nicely.

I like a happy ending and thanks for the pix. This post may help resolve an issue for someone else in the future.