Yugo SKS M59/66 Grenade Laucher Mods

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I, like others, am thinking about an SKS plinker purchase. The Yugos with the grenade launcher are the cheapest I can get my hands on, but that grenade launcher messes up the balance of the rifle.

Any cheap/easy way to rmove the grenade launcher mess & replace with a cheap muzzle break/compensator/etc.?
 
I have a century arms yugo with a muzzle break and I really don't see a lot weight savings. I also have one with the launcher just cut off and that rifle still is pretty heavy compared to my chinese paratrooper. It just seems everything from the stock to the receiver is heavier on the yugo.
 
From Surplusrifle.com:

"One reason Yugo SKS rifles (in fact all Yugoslav small arms seem "beefier") is because Yugoslav cartridges are much "hotter" loads than other similar "East Bloc" ammo, plus since Yugoslavia's manufacturing capacity was relatively limited, each weapon had to be more durable."

This might account for the weight dif.
 
Thanks for the leads.

My comparison SKS was a Chinese version, which felt much more handy.

But, sounds like these Yugos are a decent deal.
 
I shortened the GL just ahead of where the rifling starts. Took just a few minutes using the dremel tool cut-off wheel and some cold bluing. IMHO a brake isn't needed because the Yugo doesn't kick much to begin with.

ZM
 
A lot of the C&R sellers have "california" versions of these with the launchers already removed for a nominal fee. Might save you some time.
 
They are "beefier".

It just seems everything from the stock to the receiver is heavier on the yugo.

The barrels are thicker, especially nearest the receiver. The bayonets are heavier, because they're longer than other SKS bayonets. Then you've got the gas cut-off system, grenade launcher sight, etc. So just removing the grenade launcher itself may not make the gun less nose-heavy than a Norinco SKS. ;)

The grenade launcher, grenade sight, gas cut-off system, and longer bayonet are what makes the Yugo SKS unique. If you didn't want those parts on the gun, why not just buy a non-Yugo SKS? :confused:
 
Uh, 'cause I can get one for about $89 'round here. And I'm married. Plus, I'm cheap to begin with. Last, I gotta kid on the way & hafta watch expenditures even more. Did I mention that they are available locally for $89?;)
 
Fair enough.

Just hope your predilection for cutting guns up doesn't extend to those with even more collector's value. :(
 
I feel a gun is aworthless pile of parts as a collector piece. From my hacked up Yugo, to my shortened, black stocked, drilled and tapped 96 Swede, my guns are to use. Have fun!
 
Cool, Lilysdad!

Where do I send this pre-'64 Model 70 Winchester? I'm afraid it's only been gathering dust, and value, as long as I've owned it. I don't shoot it as much as I should anymore, maybe once or twice a year. It would probably make a good truck gun once you cover the wood over with non-slip truck box liner paint and knock the barrel back down to 18-20". ;)
 
:( I have to agree that permanetly modifying a perfectly good rifle is not something that should happen. There ARE a finite number of these even though they are inexpensive right now and they ain't making anymore.

My suggestion would be to purchase that Yugo for $89, clean it up properly, and see if you might find someone on the 'net with a bunch of other non-Yugo SKSs and might be willing to trade for one without the hardware on it. There are always alternatives to modifying a collectible.

And, frankly, from one who has shot all type of SKSs, the hardware on the Yugo isn't unbalanced to me. I can place the rounds into the black with any of them at 100 yards and I'm not crack shot. For the number of times you'll take that rifle to the range, and the "hours" of handling it, you won't be adversely affected by the grenade launchers and sights on that rifle. Trust me.

Finally, you'll be able to sell it for the same or more than you bought it for when you're tired of it or want to trade it. Once you've removed the hardware, however, no one will want it for even 1/2 the price you paid.

Just some food for thought.

Rome
 
Yugo SKS's were made clear up into the early 1990s. They are a LONG way from being antiques. I wouldnt hesitate to customize a remington 700 made in 1990 and i doubt anyone would get on my case for it. Why are these things somehow "untouchable"?
 
C_Yeager, you can cut up all the cheap guns you want, no sweat.

A couple decades ago you could buy an original, undicked-with Lee-Enfield or Mauser for less than $50.00. People just like yourself weren't too concerned about what they were doing to all the milsurps, they weren't too particularly collectible.

But what's incredibly short-sighted is that people forget these things have a finite supply chain. They're cheap now, so obviously, if it gets messed up, I can get another one for just as cheap.

Go out now, in 2004, and take a look at what those Springfields, Enfields, and Mausers are doing at places like www.AuctionArms.com and www.Gunbroker.com among others.

On another thread here at THR, Lilysdad was chagrined that the prices on Lee-Enfields were outside what he'd spend on an old milsurp rifle. Guess what? He's been living in a time warp. Keep cutting them up, and the survivors get fewer and more expensive.

Then guys like me come along cleaning up after Bubba's kitchen table surgery, restoring the old girls back to their original condition. Ever see what a properly-restored 1903A4 Springfield Sniper, as seen in Saving Private Ryan, brings these days? Same thing with a NoIMkIV Trials rifle, even though they sold for pennies on the dollar x-number of years ago.

The BATF granted a C&R import license for the Yugoslavian SKS based on it's collectibility and particularly unique features as compared to the plain-vanilla Norinco SKS, not because it's over 50 years old. Granted, as long as hacksaws are sold in hardware stores, Bubba will run rampant. That is, unless he thinks about what he's doing with a little foresight, first.

Most of the Remington 700's, Ruger 77's, and Winchester's 70's are in continual production every year, and are commercial guns that will continue to see production for quite some time, with little historical significance. I said "most" because a pre-'64 Winchester Model 70 has attained a cult status among collectors after Winchester changed their production techniques and quality of the finished product in 1964. It's also the same reason the BATF includes many pre-'64 Model 70's on the C&R eligibility list, and why knowledgable folks won't take a hacksaw to them.
 
If your needs or wants dictate a safe queen/ investment, thats wonderful. I have no issues with that whatsoever. Its cool to look at origianl stuff.

I, however, do not sell any gun I buy, nor do I buy any guin with any intention or concern for its future value.I buy it because I either like it, or because it suits my needs or desires. If that means lopping the barrell of of a 96 Swede, like mine, so be it. It makes it easier to handle in the piney woods, and easier to stow behind the seat of my truck. If cutting the GL, Bayonet Lug, and night sights of off my Yugo, then again, its for a purpose.

However, there is a flip side to this. If a gun does what I need it to do in stock form, then I leave it that way. Iam currently in the market for a Jungle Carbine Enfield. This gun will satay 100% stock, as it will do everything I need it to do as issued. No need for a change. The same thing goes for the CMP Garand I have on order. It needs no enhancements to fill my desires for this gun.

Plainy put, I have no use for a gun that is not what I need it to be. If your needs dictate a stock military or collector arm, thats wonderful, but dont look down upon someone, or rag on them for making a gun, any gun, what they want it to be.
 
Lilysdad, it's like I told C_Yeager.

You can cut up as many as your heart desires.

It's your bar of soap, and your washcloth. You can scrub as hard and fast as you want, nobody's going to stop you.

But you've got no right to get upset if a certain milsurp rifle you've been looking for has gone up in price over the years, and you're left there wondering why you can't afford one now. Just keep cutting them up. Please.

BTW, all of the guns in my collection get fired, and often. There's not a safe queen among them. I buy them from Bubba, I fix them, and I restore them. I even make ammo for those that no longer have a commercial supply. If I can't shoot them, or they don't see range time on a regular basis, they're sold. That's just in case you had any misconceptions about what C&R FFL holders do with their guns... :scrutiny:
 
I never meant to insinuate that these guns arent shot...and I know full well why the prices have gone up, buit I disagreee with you as to why. I dont feel that it is people like me, I feel it is people who buy these things to collect them. An item is only worth what someone will pay for it. If a gun has a collector tag hung on it, it immediatey shoots up in price. The number of guns modified pales in comparison to thise horded and safe queened, IMO.
 
Hey what about us guys in california? We go to jail if our yugo's aren't modified. I know, I've got two of them. :rolleyes:

Mark
 
Hell, Railroader, you guys in California are lucky to get anything...

That's magazine-fed and semiauto.

There's nothing legally wrong with modifying a Yugo SKS, including removal of the grenade launcher, as long as one doesn't run afoul of federal and state laws regarding firearm configuration. Matter of fact, in the PRK, it makes people like Dianne Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, Deborah Ortiz, Dom Perata, and Bill Lockyer that much happier if you remove the "evil bits". All those drive-by grenadings, you know...

The folks who coordinated the grenade launcher modification of the Yugo SKS with the California Department of Justice for import into that state had no choice but to abide with those onerous gun laws out there. Just like the folks who came up with the California muzzle brake to replace the flash suppressor on the M1A.

Those onerous gun laws are also the reason why, just prior to enactment of SB-23 in January of 2000, I left that state with several dozen guns and their extra magazines that were no longer legal there come New Years 2000. Register my AK with the California DOJ? Never. :barf:
 
This thread seems to have gone from a simple "how do I do this to a SKS" to a phlosophical dissertation on the merits of keeping a milsurp as-is.

Perhaps it might help to give y'all a sense of where I'm coming from, with regard to commie guns, SKSs, & Yugos.

I have no feeling toward commie guns the way I have for some of the milsurps from the West. To me, they are low-tolerance tools of a failed totalitarian empire (the remnents of which are now selling them off for hard currency). I consider buying some of them due to their low cost and utility. Taking a tool that may have been used to violently oppress folks and bending it to MY will gives me a warm & fuzzy feeling in my belly, however.

With regard to the Yugo SKS, I am looking for a cheap plinker, not a collector piece. Lets face it, the SKS is a butt-ugly hunk of metal & wood who's only virtues are its price and its ability to consume the cheapest centerfire rifle ammo on the planet. If the Ruger Mini-14/30, Kel-Tec SU-16, any AR15, or just about any OTHER semi-auto CF rifle in 5.56 or 7.62x39 were obtainable for less than $100 & some elbow grease, I would buy them instead.

WRT the Yugo SKS, I'll probably remove the grenade launcher, GL sight, and bayonet. Then do some triger work. If this can be done without permanent mods to the SKS, I'll do it that way. If not, that high-pitched whine you hear is my Dremel howling in anticipation.

About the only "commie" weapon I wouldn't be willing to "Dremel-up" would be those Finn captured M-Ns or one of those commie sniper rifles in 7.62x54.

Gewehr98:
"...cutting guns up..."
I don't make a habit of slicing up nice milsurps. My Mausers, Schmidt-Rubins, & the like are safe from my dread Dremel.

"...Where do I send this pre-'64 Model 70 Winchester?"
Right here, if its taking up too much space & you want it to have a nice home. I have a history of giving just such weapons the TLC they deserve. Heck, I even refuse to sell off or modify my grandpa's old 12 ga. bolt action shotgun, complete with original cracked stock.

cabinetman:
"...permanetly modifying a perfectly good rifle is not something that should happen."
I can not agree. Ever get a trigger job on a new rifle/pistol/revo? How about tritium night sights? Perhaps the buttstock is too long or a sporter requires a recoil pad to tame it. Ever put sling swivels on a rifle that did not come with them from the factory? How about recrown a barrel?

lillysdad:
"...black stocked, drilled and tapped 96 Swede..."
Ouch. I guess you feel the same way about Swedes that I feel about SKSs. I would not have done that to a Swede in original condition. But then, the Swedes did not oppress billions & kill millions the way the commies did. The Swedes also produced a quality weapon

Rising Prices of Milsurps:
I think the rising price of some milsurps has little to do with "sporterizations." When they come out, there are a few companies selling them who want to unload them for a profit as quickly as they can do so. After those large companies run out, most of those rifles still exist in original config, but are in the hands of widely dispersed owners. These owners generally want to keep what they have bought. Combine the dispersion of the ownership of these weapons with the attitudes of those owners (they wanted them enough to buy them and EXPECT to be able to sell for more than they paid) and I think you see why most milsurps' value rises after the initial importers sell off their stock.

Bubba plays a small role taking a few milsurps out of the poll of "collectibles," but he doesn't cut THAT many. I can generally find 20-30 decent milsurps at any gunshow for every similar milsurp that has been cut on.
 
jfruser, which milsurps were they?

Bubba plays a small role taking a few milsurps out of the poll of "collectibles," but he doesn't cut THAT many. I can generally find 20-30 decent milsurps at any gunshow for every similar milsurp that has been cut on.

Were they Swedish Mausers, M1 Garands, No5Mk1 Jungle Carbines, etc? I'd love to find a gun show that offers such a wide assortment in that good a condition, and at reasonable prices reminiscent of even 5-10 years ago.

There's a false belief that today's butt-ugly milsurp couldn't possibly be anything worth collecting or keeping in one piece, they're never going to amount to much. I disagree with that false premise.

Today's butt-ugly rifle is the Yugoslavian SKS. They're available for dirt-cheap, right?

So were the Lee-Enfields, 1903 Springfields, 1917 U.S. Enfields, Gew98 and Kar98K Mausers, M96 Swedes, M1 Carbines and M1 Garands. Would anybody dispute that these guns in this day and age are getting fewer and their prices have climbed accordingly? Lots of them got sporterized, and I have examples of each that have suffered accordingly, some irreversibly so. Those that couldn't be restored have completed their transformation to fine hunting or target rifles, and I shoot them on a regular basis, plenty of venison in my freezer.

Another ugly Warsaw-Pact rifle that really shouldn't have gotten a second look is the Czech VZ-52 SHE carbine. They were going for considerably less than $100 not even 8 years ago. See how many one can scare up now, and what prices they're garnering. It's clunky, poorly-balanced, shoots an intermediate cartridge, and has a permanently-mounted pivoting bayonet. There were all of about 5000 of them imported. I see a parallel between the VZ-52 and the current crop of Yugo SKS rifles.

You can see how this repeats itself over time. Nobody wants to take a hacksaw to an as-issued 1903 Springfield or or Kar98K Mauser when they're found in that condition these days, because they know that the old girls are best kept in one piece, so many of them got dissected over the years, and the supply was limited at best. And I can easily see sometime down the road when folks will lament the days of the cheap Yugo SKS, and trying to find a replacement grenade launcher to fix one that somebody hacked off. It's not your problem, I know. And I've made more than a couple dollars restoring the work of Bubba for others who found a rifle so modified.

So what's different about the Yugo SKS? Is it the Communist affiliation? Maybe a poor human rights record? Here's where the "it's just a tool" analogy plays best. There's a rifle out there that could be construed as a symbol of an administration with an abysmal human rights record. I'm not talking about a Luger, Mauser, Kalashnikov, Arisaka, or SKS. It's the Trapdoor Springfield. Is that going to make somebody want to sporterize it, based on it's history vs. the American Indian in the late 19th Century? Patriotism is a wonderful thing. I espouse it wholeheartedly, as long as it's not applied selectively. :scrutiny:

Like I stated above, nobody's stopping you from hacking up that SKS. It's your bar of soap and washcloth...

I'm traditionally cheap, too. But I wouldn't use that as a reason to introduce Mr. Dremel Tool to Mr. Yugo SKS, in order to make something that's closer in configuration to an easily-available Chinese SKS. :(
 
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