I have a new in box Serbian Tok clone in 9mm; the m70a. I prefer to Cary it with one in the pipe and hammer down (don’t trust outsourced slide safety for cock n lock carry). I can thumb back the hammer fine when I draw so as to avoid using both hands without a loaded chamber, then having to shuck one in when drawing aka ‘Israeli draw’. Is it drop safe that way with hammer down on chambered round? I do not use the slide safety if I can get away with it, one less thing to remember when under dire situational stress.
Zastava m70a 9mm para; is it drop safe?
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I don't own that model; I do own some other Zastava firearms.
These folks are probably a good group to ask your question to.
https://zastavaarmsusa.com/customer-support/
These folks are probably a good group to ask your question to.
https://zastavaarmsusa.com/customer-support/
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I do not believe that there is a firing pin block/safety on any tokarev.
Is the firing pin a floating pin or not. That can also have a bearing on if it is drop safe. If it is then it may be safer to carry the gun with the hammer fully down. But still may go off if dropped hard enough on the muzzle. If upstairs a bullet can penetrate the floor putting someone in danger.
There is normally a '1/4' cock safety on a tokarev. I am not sure if that is drop safe. Below is diagram of a typical tok trigger-sear-hammer unit. Arrow indicates sear. Sear in diagram is not engaged. If in the quarter cock position I doubt that that it is constructed to withstand a substantial impact and I would judge it to be not safe to carry a round in the chamber relative to being drop safe.
Is the firing pin a floating pin or not. That can also have a bearing on if it is drop safe. If it is then it may be safer to carry the gun with the hammer fully down. But still may go off if dropped hard enough on the muzzle. If upstairs a bullet can penetrate the floor putting someone in danger.
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Thx; the m70a is virtually a Tok m57 9+1 that fires 9mm. The half cocked is only able to be used when the safety is clicked on. Without the slide safety engaged, it can either be at full cock or fully down. I don’t want to rely on having to have two hands free to operate the slide upon drawing as I may well be fending off an attacker with one hand; so I opted for leaving the hammer down on a chambered round so I can cock it with one hand to bring it into play.
I removed the magazine safety so I could fire that last chambered round should ill befall the mag and it comes out or is released in a struggle. I figure if my hand is on the pistol
And it’s being taken away by my attacker, I have a chance or flicking on the safety and pushing off. By the few seconds it takes him to find and release the safety I should have my snubby backup out and firing. Of course as Mike Tyson said:
‘Everyone has a plan; until the first time they get punched in the mouth.’
But any plan is better than nothing I guess.
I removed the magazine safety so I could fire that last chambered round should ill befall the mag and it comes out or is released in a struggle. I figure if my hand is on the pistol
And it’s being taken away by my attacker, I have a chance or flicking on the safety and pushing off. By the few seconds it takes him to find and release the safety I should have my snubby backup out and firing. Of course as Mike Tyson said:
‘Everyone has a plan; until the first time they get punched in the mouth.’
But any plan is better than nothing I guess.
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The safety appears to be frame mounted. And is not on the slide. Can make a real big difference and usually means that only the trigger linkage is blocked. The essential that you have not determined is if there is anything locking the firing pin like there is on a glock and many other more modern designs. You are carrying it with hammer down you say.
Me while not rich I have the money buy a gun with proper safeties. My Toks are not for concealed carry. What is good about the T33 is it is a very compact, slim slide and grip and so that gun conceals well. With hotter 7.62x25 it penetrates very well. The M57 has a longer butt that does not help with concealment.
Good luck and be safe.
The newly manufactured Zastavas m57 and the m70a with the safety on the slide are drop safe. Not only does safety completely disconnect the trigger and lock the firing pin, it also pops up two prongs on either side of the firing pin to keep anything from inadvertently hitting it and setting off a chambered round. They do not have a half cocked position on the hammer. You carry them cocked and locked like a 1911.
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I Like the sound of how that safety is on the new M57 and maybe sometime in the future will look into one.
The external appearance of the original Tok T33 is not so different from the military FN Browning designed pistols that were used in some armies including nearby to Russia in Sweden. Below a FN 1903 in 9x20 long. The external dimensions are not so different. Basically the T33 has to be the slimmest full power military pistol to ever be so mass produced. In its day it was one of the most widely issued pistols considering it was used by the red armies of Russia and china along with their various client states. It was genius, cheap to make, reliable, simple to use not having an external safety, and used an idea cartridge for use in winter time conditions shooting through heavy coats and equipment. Its major defect what that it did not have a decent safety. Basically a short recoil browning system put into the frame of a blow back pistol
1903 Mass 930 g (32.8 oz) unloaded
Tok 33 Mass 854 g (30.1 oz) This is one light wt all steel pistol.
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