Zero Tolerance Weapons Policy strikes again!

[Nolo]

People want a puppies and daisies world today, they don't seem to realize that the world just isn't like that.
And that gets people killed.
Our kids (I would include myself, but I was home schooled until Middle School) have been indoctrinated to be "nice". Being intelligent or thinking critically don't come into it. You're just supposed to be "nice". Every thought a kid has nowadays is either a manufactured product of being "nice" or a wild rebellion from that idea. Either way, you get trouble.

 

[koja48]

Oh, certainly, Koja, but it boils my blood to think of the stupidity

I understand. Take therapy . . . shooting, reloading, drooling over gun web sites, & conversing with members/perusing the HighRoad come to mind . . .

 

[Nolo]

I don't get out shooting enough, that's true.

 

[koja48]

Well if "Nunya, Virginia" was closer to WA State, I'd doctor ya meself . . .

 

[Nolo]

Which is actually not where I live...

 

[wdlsguy]

I can't get over the fact that carrying a 2" pocketknife can net you a felony conviction in Georgia.

 

[ranger335v]

"Zero tolerance = Zero common sense"

Yeah. In fact, it is a policy of putting policy ahead of any sense at all. God help our kids if we can't retake the "eduacation system" back from the liberals that have made things so much better over the last 40 years.

I knew in my gut that our schools were going to degenerate when congress decided after Sputnik that they were going to turn education over to the "experts" so we could catch up to the Russians. Jimmy Carter drove the last nail into the coffin of good education when he rewarded the teachers labor unions to have a Cabinet Level department in the government.

Anyone but me see what they have accomplished with that? Well, they have succeeded in dropping us down to the level of Libya and they do get to teach their own detached from reality social doctrines, if not our history or math or science or civics, etc!
And after the rivers of money we have poured on the education establishment, it still isn't enough?

They don't have to think or reason anything. They have "rules" to substitute for brains so "zero tolerance" to foolish extreems seems intelligent to them!

 

[HonorsDaddy]

jbauch357

You said:

you know if we didn't have kids regularly stabbing eachother at school the complete prohibition of pocket knifes wound't be on the agenda.

Gee - what a wonderful idea. Hey! I wonder if we made it illegal for EVERYONE to own guns if the bad guys wouldn't stop shooting each other!

 

[pinstripe]

zero tolerance

I remember back in the day when I was in school. I graduated in 1983 from a public school here in central Arkansas. We would have our shotguns in the back window of the truck, waiting for school to get out so that we could hunt some dove, or squirrel. Times have changed. I could only imagine what would happen today to a senior in high school pulling up in his truck with a pump 12ga. in the rear window. Security would probably shot him dead and say that he was attempting to shoot up the school. Things are out of control, and getting crazier by the minute.
Maybe the past wasn't so bad?????

 

[NAK]

We made reactive targets in metal shop. We took them out behind the practice field and the shop teacher graded them with a .22 pump he kept in his truck...you didn't get an "A" unless they spun all the way around and stopped back on top.

 

[CB900F]

Fella's;

I think I gotcha all beat for "good old days schooling". I attended Natrona County High School in Casper Wyoming.

"OK, so what?" is heard from the peanut gallery.

So I learned, in school, in official class, how to field strip, assemble, and operate fully automatic weapons and semi automatic weapons. To top that, I also shot firearms in school. Several hundred thousand times I'd think.

900F

 

[Nolo]

Oh yeah. CB totally beat us.

 

[Elm Creek Smith]

How 'bout carry your single shot .22 Remington to school with a dozen or so rounds in your pocket, put it in the cloak room, and go squirrel hunting on the way home, and no one thinks a thing about it?

ECS

 

[koja48]

how to field strip, assemble, and operate fully automatic weapons and semi automatic

So, why didn't you just say you were in home-economics? When I was a senior in HS, a young Dominican nun buried my Dad's Jeep in deep snow (and we BOTH figured we were in deep Sh**), but only AFTER she made a 100-yard running shot on a coyote with a 250/3000 Savage (and you thought prayer didn't work) . . . but you WERE raised in Wyoming & LIVE in God's Country now, CB . . .

 

[Old Fuff]

Well they keep getting them younger and younger. Administrators in this school don't have enough brains to keep their ears apart. How dumb and dumb be? Read this...

Mom Says Son Suspended for Hiding on Bus
From Associated Press
September 05, 2007 5:28 PM EDT

ANDERSON, Ind. - A kindergartner has been suspended from school transportation for two weeks because he hid from a bus driver, the 5-year-old boy's mother said. Two weeks? For what?

The bus driver dropped off Erskine Elementary students on Aug. 29, then left to pick up children at another school - with the boy still on the bus. The driver discovered him after hearing him giggle, and school officials said the driver was not at fault.

The child's mother says the punishment was too severe. She has that right...

"He's 5 years old, he just started riding the bus," said Natasha Pulley. "I find the whole situation kind of messed up." That's an understatement.

School officials re-enacted the incident with the 5-year-old to determine what happened, said Anderson Community Schools Superintendent Mikella Lowe.

"Any time a child is left on a school bus we want to find out what happened," Lowe said. "When the bus driver heard (the student), he took the appropriate steps. It was just a prank the little guy was playing."

Lowe would not discuss the terms of the student's punishment, citing confidentiality rules. Ah, that cop-out again...

Pulley said she and her husband both work in Marion County, making it difficult to drive her to school in the county about 20 to 30 miles away.

"I understand him acting out. I understand he was in and out of the seats," said Pulley. "He's just a typical 5-year-old boy that just started school." When this school gets done he won't be...

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Information from: The Herald Bulletin, http://www.theheraldbulletin.com

 

[alligator94]

Sad to say but you have no rights in schools anymore. Towards the end of my senior year I was going out for lunch with some friends when we saw a guy trying to use a slim jim to break into my car. We were about to teach him a lesson when he identified himself as school security who were searching cars that day. This was about three blocks away from school. If you drove to school where I went they could search your car anytime, anywhere. I saw them do this many times at the local fast food places around there. I however did not let them search my car, when the school called my parents they wisely decided to drop the issue. I don't even want to think about what it will be like when my kids are in high school....

 

[Nolo]

Wait, a slim jim!? No way in Hell that is legal! You can't just break into someone's car! I don't care if it is on school property, it doesn't make the car their property! Slim jims can damage vehicles (I know, I've used one), so that could be destruction of private property. If he had such a good reason to search your locked car, he has an obligation to inform you and, in the event that you submit or the law overrides you, hire a locksmith.
You should take that sucker to court.

 

[alligator94]

Wait, a slim jim!? No way in Hell that is legal! You can't just break into someone's car! I don't care if it is on school property, it doesn't make the car their property!

Apparently there was a form (quite a few different ones) at the beginning of the year that you had to sign in order to go to school that authorized them to do this anywhere at any time. From what I gather this still goes on today. No reason at all to search, just something they decide to do randomly.

 

[Nolo]

Oh, my God, that is the biggest piece of bullscheize I've seen this side of the Constitution.
Wow.
Just wow.
I don't even know what to say to that.
If you failed to sign it, could they expel/refuse to admit you?

 

[armedandsafe]

Just as I moved from SoNevada to Eastern Oregon, the principal of the high school decided to crack down on all the firearms in the parking lot. He had a LARGE rifle rack built by the woodshop class and installed in the office. We had to take our rifles, shotguns and pistols into the office and hand them to the Secretary to put in the rack during school. Pricipal reported to the School Board later in the year that the new, tougher, Zero-Tolerance policy worked. There were a lot fewer instances of kids playing hooky from the later afternoon classes to go hunting.

Pops

 

[alligator94]

If you failed to sign it, could they expel/refuse to admit you?

I believe so, but I can't remember for sure it was eight years ago. However one of my friends younger brother goes to school there, and according to him they still do this today. Yet another reason I do my best to stay away from MD now.

 

[Nolo]

Wow.
That's my school system, too.
Funny thing, I never sign a damn thing every year anyway.

Oh, that makes me feel good about myself.
Really good.
I guess they still admit me because I keep the SAT scores up. (2090, W00T!)

 

[goings_51]

I once carried a 400 year old sword on my belt to a renaissance day in Jr. High. It was my dad's idea. This was way back in the early '90s. I also remember finding shotgun shells in my coat pocket one Monday after hunting that weekend. Now, you can't even smoke in a bar? The world has turned into a wussified version of its former self.

 

[GTSteve03]

Yeah, this pretty much seems to reflect the way things are going all over the US, ie downhill.

Now, to try and steer this thread somewhat back onto a gun-related topic:

This kind of "zero tolerance" example from school administrators seems like it would do one of two things to the young generation being entrusted with their care. Either they will soak up the idea that all weapons are bad and become the next generation of antis, or perhaps they will see how ridiculous these policies are and how they really don't help at all and do what kids seem to always do best no matter their age: refuse to listen to their elders and do the exact opposite!

Now, I don't exactly have faith that it will work out so well for us, so is there anything we can do to help keep from having all the kids growing up in public schools end up as vehement antis?

I don't know if any schools still have shooting teams like they used to do back in the day. I heard there are a few here in GA that do target shooting with 22LRs or maybe pellet rifles, sometimes they may be in the gym, I'm not sure how that works with the "no weapons" policy. I wonder if it would be possible to set up a trap/skeet team for high schoolers? I remember reading a story about that somewhere in the past, it seems like it would be really popular and a pretty safe way to introduce the kids to safe firearm handling.

I grew up shooting BB guns at empty coke cans in the backyard with my brother, but I have a feeling things like that these days would probably cause the neighbors to call the cops and say you pointed your Red Ryder in a threatening manner.

 

[Nolo]

I have to repost for homeschooling.
On a mass scale? Initiate a hostile take over of all schools? (Oh man, I wish it was that easy...)