If your firearms could talk

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As I was thinking about Troy Fairweather’s post, counting firearms in my family over 100 years old, I started wondering about the history such weapons have survived. With farms and general stores in my family, there was always interesting firearms, and my grandfather used to joke that our family, like our pagan ancestors, firmly believe our weapons have a life of their own. If only our firearms could talk...

I went shooting yesterday with two brothers who claimed my Anaconda was talking when I put it down, the kinder one said it was telling him to buy me a new set of glasses, the other claimed it wanted to be sold to him for my purchase price 20 years ago.

I have two captures from around 1862 that were in my family, a .36 Navy Colt that reportedly had been worn at the Battle of Groveton (2nd Manassas) and a .58 Cal. that had been stored nearly unattended by a wealthy and wasteful army. There really is no proof of these claims except for handwritten notes made by a family member at the turn of the century. The one family firearm I favor most and tells a story is a Colt New Service 45LC that my great grandfather bought for my grandfather before he deployed to France with the 1st Battalion 5th Marines. He carried that until he was wounded at Belleau Wood and that weapon turned 111 years old this year...

...the Colt was hauled across the world, got soaked in mud and water several times, and seen heavy use. My grandfather was in his 90s before he gave that to us, and for the first time he explained the limp we'd always wondered about, along with facial scars. In 1918 after several days and nights of fighting, his squad had pulled back, trying to catch some sleep when they were jumped in the darkness. He had that Colt in his lap but it had slipped from his grip and was dangling from a lanyard ring. The enemy came screaming at them, one tried to spike him in the gut, hit his pelvis bone instead, tried again and hit his thigh -- he found purchase and fired point blank. It had taken that long to catch his balance, but then he got hit in the face with a rifle butt just as he fired again, the last he remembered.

After several days he arrived with wounded buddies at U.S. Military Hospital No. 1 at Neuilly, France, and was later sent to Walter Reed in Washington, D.C. From there, the battered gun was sent to Colt Firearms in Connecticut with a letter from my great grandfather, explaining its curious condition, the where and when, and requesting an estimate for “...a complete service that will return this favored firearm to a proper and safe condition."

When the Colt was returned, the boys were still in recovery at Walter Reed, and it looked like a new revolver. Even the latch and hammer had been replaced. Instead of an invoice there was a personal letter from the company wishing grandfather and his squad a speedy recovery with their heartfelt thanks and half the page signed by signatures. My grandmother who handled the paperwork for two farms and a large general store, kept records on everything, including the purchase invoice and shipping receipt when that gun was first ordered after enlistment. Colt New Service1.jpg Colt New Service2.jpg Colt New Service3.jpg

My brothers and I have often wondered over other weapons, many from WWII that family members brought back from Europe and the island campaigns. If they could talk...
 
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Any of mine older than myself only have hunting stories to tell.

All the younger ones I am loathe to listen to...

(Be labored sigh) "You missed."

"I know I missed! :confused::fire:
Got any advice, Wesson?!"

"You just yeet it..." says unimpressed pistol.
"I'll be talking with the cell phone when you figure it out...."
:D


Yours is a true beauty. Probably more mature and helpful as well!:)
 
As I was thinking about Troy Fairweather’s post, counting firearms in my family over 100 years old, I started wondering about the history such weapons have survived. With farms and general stores in my family, there was always interesting firearms, and my grandfather used to joke that our family, like our pagan ancestors, firmly believe our weapons have a life of their own. If only our firearms could talk...

I went shooting yesterday with two brothers who claimed my Anaconda was talking when I put it down, the kinder one said it was telling him to buy me a new set of glasses, the other claimed it wanted to be sold to him for my purchase price 20 years ago.

I have two captures from around 1862 that were in my family, a .36 Navy Colt that reportedly had been worn at the Battle of Groveton (2nd Manassas) and a .58 Cal. that had been stored nearly unattended by a wealthy and wasteful army. There really is no proof of these claims except for handwritten notes made by a family member at the turn of the century. The one family firearm I favor most and tells a story is a Colt New Service 45LC that my great grandfather bought for my grandfather before he deployed to France with the 1st Battalion 5th Marines. He carried that until he was wounded at Belleau Wood and that weapon turned 111 years old this year...

...the Colt was hauled across the world, got soaked in mud and water several times, and seen heavy use. My grandfather was in his 90s before he gave that to us, and for the first time he explained the limp we'd always wondered about, along with facial scars. In 1918 after several days and nights of fighting, his squad had pulled back, trying to catch some sleep when they were jumped in the darkness. He had that Colt in his lap but it had slipped from his grip and was dangling from a lanyard ring. The enemy came screaming at them, one tried to spike him in the gut, hit his pelvis bone instead, tried again and hit his thigh -- he found purchase and fired point blank. It had taken that long to catch his balance, but then he got hit in the face with a rifle butt just as he fired again, the last he remembered.

After several days he arrived with wounded buddies at U.S. Military Hospital No. 1 at Neuilly, France, and was later sent to Walter Reed in Washington, D.C. From there, the battered gun was sent to Colt Firearms in Connecticut with a letter from my great grandfather, explaining its curious condition, the where and when, and requesting an estimate for “...a complete service that will return this favored firearm to a proper and safe condition."

When the Colt was returned, the boys were still in recovery at Walter Reed, and it looked like a new revolver. Even the latch and hammer had been replaced. Instead of an invoice there was a personal letter from the company wishing grandfather and his squad a speedy recovery with their heartfelt thanks and half the page signed by signatures. My grandmother who handled the paperwork for two farms and a large general store, kept records on everything, including the purchase invoice and shipping receipt when that gun was first ordered after enlistment.View attachment 858270 View attachment 858271 View attachment 858272

My brothers and I have often wondered over other weapons, many from WWII that family members brought back from Europe and the island campaigns. If they could talk...
Wow, great story, thanks for sharing!

Sadly, my father and I are the first of our clan to have any interest in firearms (though my girls are carrying the torch nicely), so we dont have any that have been in the family prior to 1975 or so.

My grandfather wouldnt touch one when he got back from the Pacific, though I have pictures of him in boot camp with his Garand. My M1 looks like it had a pretty easy war, but who knows......

My Arisaka, on the other hand, boy I bet it would have stories. Doubt they end well for the former owner.:confused:
 
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My uncle was in WWII and when discharged in 1945 he said a young kid ( he turned 18 in 44 and was shipped out Jan 45) wanted his rifle, he said his sergeant told him to kill anyone who tried that and brought it home, my cousin still has it along with a lot of other things from then. That generation is/was some great people.
 
I've got an old Iver Johnson hammerless .38 that belonged to my great-great uncle, who was a cop in California about a century ago. This was apparently one of his "throw-down" guns, to be dropped in case further evidence was needed in an arrest or after a shooting.

It later belonged to my schizophrenic grandmother, who killed most of her greedy in-laws after her wealthy husband died. (She didn't use a gun for this, however.)

I don't listen to anything that it might say.

You shouldn't, either.
 
My most interesting and stultifyingly banal firearms history story ...

I bought a 1924-mfr 5" Colt Police Positive Special in .32Win (.32-20) in 2015 off of a fellow on Gunbroker. I asked about the history of the piece. He said that his wife's (Great?)Grandfather had a grocery in the '20s and kept this under the counter for security ... and it had been stored in various drawers in various houses ever since.

ZZZZZZZZZZZ

;)

Beautiful little pistol in surprisingly good condition, however. :)
 
You know, I don’t honestly know that I would want to hear the stories some of my firearms would tell. I’m sure some of my rifles killed Americans. And I’m sure several killed Germans, Russians, French, Japanese, and many other young men from various nationalities. Young men that never got the chance to be where I am. I don’t take solace in that. But I do hope my rifles fired true and produced a quick and honorable death. And the history of those hellish times will never be forgotten as long as I own them.
 
I've got a few old revolvers sitting around. One is a pinfire, and I'd love to know who carried that in their coat pocket.

I've got an old French gun also, model 1892, and its history is a mystery to me.

And then there is my regulation police. It was shipped to Hibbard, Spencer, Bartlett and Co. in Chicago, IL. That hardware company was the precursor to True Value hardware stores. Not a terribly interesting history, but I imagine someone bought it for their personal enjoyment, as it has a 6" barrel. Whomever owned it was married, as there is a small notch in the grip that corresponds to a wedding band.
 
My father served in Korea for two years in U. D. T. #3 and "liberated" an M-1 carbine en route home. I don't think he'd been issued it during the war, and unfortunatly I really don't know the specifics of how he obtained it though I suspect a bit of "horse trading" might have been involved.

It's in good condition mechanically, but does have battle scars I've sometimes wondered what made some of those marks. On the top handguard, right side at maybe the 1:30 position a couple inches in back of the front end there's a small rounds crater or dent, maybe 1/10th of an inch deep.
What caused it? I dunno.
It would be nice if it could speak. I have my father's .22 rifle, his 12g. Auto 5, his Ithaca 20g. and a Remington 870 in 20g. that were his. A few have blemishes of use.

But it's only that carbine I'm interested in ....
 
I've got an old Iver Johnson hammerless .38 that belonged to my great-great uncle, who was a cop in California about a century ago. This was apparently one of his "throw-down" guns, to be dropped in case further evidence was needed in an arrest or after a shooting.

It later belonged to my schizophrenic grandmother, who killed most of her greedy in-laws after her wealthy husband died. (She didn't use a gun for this, however.)

I don't listen to anything that it might say.

You shouldn't, either.
There was an old sci-fi short story called "The Automatic Pistol" published, I dunno, sometime between 1930 and 1970- I read it in a crumbling anthology when I was a kid. It was by a famous author, might have been Sturgeon or Heinlein, I cant find anything with a quick Google search. Maybe kBob remembers?

Anyway, it was about a sentient, telepathic handgun. Bad things happened to those who listened to it.........

EDIT: It was Fritz Leiber, 1940.
 
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The best stories are always the personal family history tales.
I'm something of a romantic and when we get some old things in the pawn shop, like an old lap steel guitar from the 30's (true story) I always wonder the stories they could tell.
Right now we have an 1884 Trapdoor 45-70 that I'm sure has some good stories. The only guns I ever heard say something are the few who whisper "buy me".
 
Mine would say "you don't have to clean every little crevice every time you shoot us." And I'd wink and say "Sure I do."
 
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I don't have anything all that antique. Oldest firearm I had was a 1943 Mosin I ended up selling. I am pretty sure my firearms would complain they spend too much time in the safe.
 
I think I would only love to hear from my milsurps and my Grandfathers hunting guns. I’m sure there are some amazing stories of forgotten battles in foreign lands... and of clean shots on whitetail bucks and tom turkeys...:thumbup:

Sadly, most of the ones I bought myself over the past thirty-four years of majority age are so conditioned to darkness they would just scream when exposed to the bright lights outside the safe...:eek:

Stay safe.
 
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What an amazing story and a great Colt New Service revolver to go with it! I especially loved the part where Colt fixed everything for free, refinished the gun, and sent along a personal letter with it! Now that's real class on the part of those Colt employees!

My father briefly had some nice pistols which he "obtained" from their former owners while his Armored Division raced across France and into Germany. I did say briefly because he was wounded during a German counterattack and while he was laying there in the snow he decided it would probably be a good idea to divest himself of his new found treasures lest his captors find the guns on him and take a dim view of his having them. So he threw them as far away as he could from where he was laying until the Germans found him and took him to their own army hospital.

So my Dad didn't get to return with any war trophies but more importantly than that is, he did make it back home!
 
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