somethingbenign
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So if we are done taking about the Model X maybe it would be best if we just let this thread die. Sorry to try and keep everyone abreast of new products coming out.
LOL hatred is a pretty strong word. I actually couldn't care less about Henry. I've given them every bit as an objective look over as any other rifle manufacturer and I have my reasons why I don't own one. Still doesn't mean I won't own one at some point down the road though.So is the Freedom Arms 83. Sorry but your hatred for Henry comes off as completely irrational.
For someone who "couldn't care less", you're sure expending a lot of effort to hate on them in a Henry thread. IMHO, "hatred" seems appropriate, as does "irrational".LOL hatred is a pretty strong word. I actually couldn't care less about Henry. I've given them every bit as an objective look over as any other rifle manufacturer and I have my reasons why I don't own one. Still doesn't mean I won't own one at some point down the road though.
But the cast and painted receiver and plastic sights on their lever-action .22 was a complete deal breaker for me. I also think they are overpriced.
The tactical lever guns from Marlin, Mossberg and Henry do nothing for me. For me an AR-15 or AR-10 will do with the added advantage of holding more rounds.
I would like a lever gun in 07mm-08 and .338 Federal but with 22” barrels and I don’t want a BLR because of their triggers so that leaves the Long Ranger with a barrel change. Too expensive at this time for me.
I have this sinking feeling that Marlin will be using the same ole slow twist.
Okay, if I'm a h8r then you're a fanboy. Big whoop.For someone who "couldn't care less", you're sure expending a lot of effort to hate on them in a Henry thread. IMHO, "hatred" seems appropriate, as does "irrational".
There is nothing wrong with castings, Ruger has proven that.
That said, there is no zinc, paint or plastic sights on a centerfire. This thread ain't about rimfires, at all.
No paint or plastic sights on my Henry .22 either.
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A light and handy lever gun in .338 fed would be a hoot.The tactical lever guns from Marlin, Mossberg and Henry do nothing for me. For me an AR-15 or AR-10 will do with the added advantage of holding more rounds.
I would like a lever gun in 07mm-08 and .338 Federal but with 22” barrels and I don’t want a BLR because of their triggers so that leaves the Long Ranger with a barrel change. Too expensive at this time for me.
Have you actually read what I've posted or are you just looking deep enough for fuel for your fire?Okay, if I'm a h8r then you're a fanboy. Big whoop.
I approached Henry rifles with an open mind, just like any other rifle. They have yet to impress me. When they do, I might buy one, whenever that is. Why they have a cult-like following is pretty easy to explain in my mind. But that's another topic for another day.
Since when did a person's honest opinion become "irrational rhetoric and misinformation?" Oh, that's right. When it didn't agree with your opinion.Have you actually read what I've posted or are you just looking deep enough for fuel for your fire?
You don't have to be a fanboy, Kool Aid drinker or "cult-like" to argue the irrational rhetoric and misinformation you've posted in this thread. We're not arguing preferences here. We're arguing facts and yours are not based in reality. You're free to like whatever you want. You're free to hate whatever you want but if you do so for irrational or fictional reasons and post it on a forum, people are going to call you out.
Comments about spray paint, zinc and plastic sights, where none exist on the guns in question. Misinformation regarding the Long Ranger's weight, also off topic.Since when did a person's honest opinion become "irrational rhetoric and misinformation?" Oh, that's right. When it didn't agree with your opinion.
Sorry, but I never mentioned spray paint or zinc. Where are you getting this stuff?Comments about spray paint, zinc and plastic sights, where none exist on the guns in question. Misinformation regarding the Long Ranger's weight, also off topic.
My opinion actually agrees with yours but those issues are only present on the cheap rimfires.
The FACT is that none of your complaints apply to the models we're discussing here.
Some notes on more subjective points:
I own several modern Marlins and the idea that they are "smooth" is almost laughable.
The comment that a matte finish somehow looks cheap is comical. Only the sides of a Marlin are polished and the rest is usually bead blasted after machining. Not to mention that soft matte finishes are done on many high end custom guns. I guess people associate not-cheap finishes as shiny, or something.
Since you hate them so much, don't like your hypocritical nonsense pointed out and generally have nothing productive to add to this thread, why don't you just go away? We've been able to have very little discussion about the guns in question because of your nonsense.
From your post.Sorry, but I never mentioned spray paint or zinc. Where are you getting this stuff?
I prefer well blued steel over painted steel.
Indeed it is.Long Ranger's weight is published. Easy to find.
It's 7lbs, same exact weight as a Marlin 336.I sought out and handled a long ranger and they lost me with the 7.5 lbs. weight. Absolutely no reason for a lever action carbine to weigh that much.
You kinda did. Twice.I agree that most Marlins aren't smooth. Did I ever say that?
Smoother action, better bluing, more attractive rifle overall IMO.
Every Marlin I've handled has had a smoother lever action than every Henry I've handled.
It is comical because it's the same finish as on every part of the Marlin's receiver except the side flats. Marlin has never been very good at finish work. It's comical because a good matte finish is often done over a fine polish. Not rough machine work like Marlin did for so many years.You may find my comment about matte finish looking cheap comical, but thats just your opinion. It's every bit as valid as mine. See my reference rifle above. A few million Win 94 owners would agree with me here.
I call it hate because it is irrational and emotional. Not fact based. It's not your opinion I have a problem with, I think I was pretty clear about that in the last post but I'll reiterate. What I have a problem with is the misinformation. What I have a problem with is a thread about a new rifle offering that gets polluted with a bunch of nonsense from someone who is misinformed and has no plans on even considering one. Differing opinions are to be tolerated. Misinformation and trolling are not. Learn the difference.I have no idea why you keep using the word hate other than you feel personally attacked? I dunno. That's for you to decide. I have no strong feelings about Henry rifles. I just think they have a great marketing dept. that has a lot of folks fooled into believing they are worth more than they really are.
If you want someone who is offering a different opinion to "just go away" what does that say about your own? Free country pal, in case you haven't noticed. The model X is another overpriced, overhyped Henry product IMO.
But that's just my opinion and since you have such a dim view of my opinion, it shouldn't really bother you. Your opinion doesn't bother me one bit. It's called tolerance. Try it sometime.
If you plan on shooting subsonics, pay close attention to the Marlin's twist rate. Henry is going the right direction with 1-20" while Marlin may stick to their old 1-38" twist.I am looking for a lever gun. Either this or the new Marlin seem to fit the bill being that they both have threaded barrels. I guess I will have to see which one I come across first for the right price.
What is comical is some folks complaining about Henry's pricing when it'll be about $200 less than the Marlin 1894 Dark. I think a good many have not been paying attention to what prices have done in the last 10yrs, on everything.I'm interested in both the Henry X and the Marlin Dark 1894, at this point, Marlin hasn't posted any product info on the 1894 Dark in their website. I'm curious if they discussed it at Shot Show, and if so, if they mentioned the twist rate on the .44? Henry made the right move by going with a faster 1:20 twist, I'm hoping Marlin did the same, but if they stuck with their usual 1:38, that will kill it for me.
On the other hand, if the Dark is twisted properly, the shorter barrel would be a slight plus.
https://grabagun.com/marlin-1894-dark-44-rem-mag-16-25-7-round.html
well you keep em, I'll take that 77/44 you just posted!What is comical is some folks complaining about Henry's pricing when it'll be about $200 less than the Marlin 1894 Dark. I think a good many have not been paying attention to what prices have done in the last 10yrs, on everything.
As long as the Marlin's twist rate is 1-20", I'd take either one and not whine about the price.