Henry Model X

[somethingbenign]

So if we are done taking about the Model X maybe it would be best if we just let this thread die. Sorry to try and keep everyone abreast of new products coming out.

 

[Gtscotty]

I'm interested in both the Henry X and the Marlin Dark 1894, at this point, Marlin hasn't posted any product info on the 1894 Dark in their website. I'm curious if they discussed it at Shot Show, and if so, if they mentioned the twist rate on the .44? Henry made the right move by going with a faster 1:20 twist, I'm hoping Marlin did the same, but if they stuck with their usual 1:38, that will kill it for me.

On the other hand, if the Dark is twisted properly, the shorter barrel would be a slight plus.

https://grabagun.com/marlin-1894-dark-44-rem-mag-16-25-7-round.html

 

[CraigC]

I have this sinking feeling that Marlin will be using the same ole slow twist.

 

[Newtosavage]

So is the Freedom Arms 83. Sorry but your hatred for Henry comes off as completely irrational.

LOL hatred is a pretty strong word. I actually couldn't care less about Henry. I've given them every bit as an objective look over as any other rifle manufacturer and I have my reasons why I don't own one. Still doesn't mean I won't own one at some point down the road though.

But the cast and painted receiver and plastic sights on their lever-action .22 was a complete deal breaker for me. I also think they are overpriced.

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

Seems like a GREAT market segment to exploit.

Repeaters, good looking (at least in silhouette ), suppressor ready, scope ready, augmented sighting/lighting, etc... ready and all wrapped up in a durable if not particularly pretty package.

Now, roll those babies out in .223 6.whatever Crudmore and 7.62x39 with low-cap magazines.

Todd.

 

[CraigC]

LOL hatred is a pretty strong word. I actually couldn't care less about Henry. I've given them every bit as an objective look over as any other rifle manufacturer and I have my reasons why I don't own one. Still doesn't mean I won't own one at some point down the road though.

But the cast and painted receiver and plastic sights on their lever-action .22 was a complete deal breaker for me. I also think they are overpriced.

For someone who "couldn't care less", you're sure expending a lot of effort to hate on them in a Henry thread. IMHO, "hatred" seems appropriate, as does "irrational".

There is nothing wrong with castings, Ruger has proven that.

That said, there is no zinc, paint or plastic sights on a centerfire. This thread ain't about rimfires, at all.

No paint or plastic sights on my Henry .22 either.

 

[cdb1]

The tactical lever guns from Marlin, Mossberg and Henry do nothing for me. For me an AR-15 or AR-10 will do with the added advantage of holding more rounds.

I would like a lever gun in 07mm-08 and .338 Federal but with 22” barrels and I don’t want a BLR because of their triggers so that leaves the Long Ranger with a barrel change. Too expensive at this time for me.

 

[Gtscotty]

The tactical lever guns from Marlin, Mossberg and Henry do nothing for me. For me an AR-15 or AR-10 will do with the added advantage of holding more rounds.

I would like a lever gun in 07mm-08 and .338 Federal but with 22” barrels and I don’t want a BLR because of their triggers so that leaves the Long Ranger with a barrel change. Too expensive at this time for me.

The X and Dark are aimed at a specific (but growing) market niche, folks who want to shoot and maybe hunt suppressed with a setup that's particularly quiet to the shooter, if you're not in that niche they probably wouldn't make as much sense.

From inside that niche though, they are a pretty slick proposition. Lever guns are the fastest cycling manual actions, while still lacking the very substantial at ear cycling noise level of an AR or AK. Even a well setup .300 BLK AR is not really going to be quiet at the ear due to the rumpus going on in the action and buffer tube with every shot, but a manual action can be.

The offered pistol calibers are also part of that equation, heavy subsonic .357, .44, or .45 can be very quiet through a can while still using relatively cheap bullets designed to expand reliably at those low velocities.

The plastic stocks and m-lok slots on the X series just strike me as utilitarian features. Plastic is cheap and hardy, M-lok has become the default attachment method for any (non-optic) gun accessory, easy to use if you want, physically unobtrusive if you don't.

I have this sinking feeling that Marlin will be using the same ole slow twist.

Yeah me too, but hopefully we'll turn out to be wrong.

 

[CraigC]

And let's be honest, all that racket going on when an AR15 cycles is unpleasant. One reason why I love the Henry above. Just the pleasing sound of a hammer dropping.

 

[Newtosavage]

For someone who "couldn't care less", you're sure expending a lot of effort to hate on them in a Henry thread. IMHO, "hatred" seems appropriate, as does "irrational".

There is nothing wrong with castings, Ruger has proven that.

That said, there is no zinc, paint or plastic sights on a centerfire. This thread ain't about rimfires, at all.

No paint or plastic sights on my Henry .22 either.

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Okay, if I'm a h8r then you're a fanboy. Big whoop.
I approached Henry rifles with an open mind, just like any other rifle. They have yet to impress me. When they do, I might buy one, whenever that is. Why they have a cult-like following is pretty easy to explain in my mind. But that's another topic for another day.

 

[Newtosavage]

The tactical lever guns from Marlin, Mossberg and Henry do nothing for me. For me an AR-15 or AR-10 will do with the added advantage of holding more rounds.

I would like a lever gun in 07mm-08 and .338 Federal but with 22” barrels and I don’t want a BLR because of their triggers so that leaves the Long Ranger with a barrel change. Too expensive at this time for me.

A light and handy lever gun in .338 fed would be a hoot.

 

[CraigC]

Okay, if I'm a h8r then you're a fanboy. Big whoop.
I approached Henry rifles with an open mind, just like any other rifle. They have yet to impress me. When they do, I might buy one, whenever that is. Why they have a cult-like following is pretty easy to explain in my mind. But that's another topic for another day.

Have you actually read what I've posted or are you just looking deep enough for fuel for your fire?

You don't have to be a fanboy, Kool Aid drinker or "cult-like" to argue the irrational rhetoric and misinformation you've posted in this thread. We're not arguing preferences here. We're arguing facts and yours are not based in reality. You're free to like whatever you want. You're free to hate whatever you want but if you do so for irrational or fictional reasons and post it on a forum, people are going to call you out.

 

[cdb1]

I’m all for choices, the more the better even if it is not something I want. Fortunately I know what I want the vast majority of the time which is why I don’t post questions asking which gun to buy. What may be very useful for one person: “The X and Dark are aimed at a specific (but growing) market niche, folks who want to shoot and maybe hunt suppressed with a setup that's particularly quiet to the shooter”, may not be useful to another person and may even come across as silly. So I have as much right to not like tactical lever guns as the the next guy does to like them. I even hope they are successful because a firearms manufacturer in solid financial shape is a good thing for all of us. I still personally think they are silly.

 

[Pat Riot]

I haven’t quite figured out why people, not just gun people, find something they do not like online and then talk incessantly about something they don’t like or have no interest in. Baffling.

 

[Newtosavage]

Have you actually read what I've posted or are you just looking deep enough for fuel for your fire?

You don't have to be a fanboy, Kool Aid drinker or "cult-like" to argue the irrational rhetoric and misinformation you've posted in this thread. We're not arguing preferences here. We're arguing facts and yours are not based in reality. You're free to like whatever you want. You're free to hate whatever you want but if you do so for irrational or fictional reasons and post it on a forum, people are going to call you out.

Since when did a person's honest opinion become "irrational rhetoric and misinformation?" Oh, that's right. When it didn't agree with your opinion.

I think Henry borrowed a famous name, and then spent a lot of money on marketing to fool the masses. If and when they produce something I consider original, unique or a good value, I'll give them another look. Until then, carry on.

 

[CraigC]

Since when did a person's honest opinion become "irrational rhetoric and misinformation?" Oh, that's right. When it didn't agree with your opinion.

Comments about spray paint, zinc and plastic sights, where none exist on the guns in question. Misinformation regarding the Long Ranger's weight, also off topic.

My opinion actually agrees with yours but those issues are only present on the cheap rimfires.

The FACT is that none of your complaints apply to the models we're discussing here.

Some notes on more subjective points:

I own several modern Marlins and the idea that they are "smooth" is almost laughable.

The comment that a matte finish somehow looks cheap is comical. Only the sides of a Marlin are polished and the rest is usually bead blasted after machining. Not to mention that soft matte finishes are done on many high end custom guns. I guess people associate not-cheap finishes as shiny, or something.

Since you hate them so much, don't like your hypocritical nonsense pointed out and generally have nothing productive to add to this thread, why don't you just go away? We've been able to have very little discussion about the guns in question because of your nonsense.

 

[Newtosavage]

Comments about spray paint, zinc and plastic sights, where none exist on the guns in question. Misinformation regarding the Long Ranger's weight, also off topic.

My opinion actually agrees with yours but those issues are only present on the cheap rimfires.

The FACT is that none of your complaints apply to the models we're discussing here.

Some notes on more subjective points:

I own several modern Marlins and the idea that they are "smooth" is almost laughable.

The comment that a matte finish somehow looks cheap is comical. Only the sides of a Marlin are polished and the rest is usually bead blasted after machining. Not to mention that soft matte finishes are done on many high end custom guns. I guess people associate not-cheap finishes as shiny, or something.

Since you hate them so much, don't like your hypocritical nonsense pointed out and generally have nothing productive to add to this thread, why don't you just go away? We've been able to have very little discussion about the guns in question because of your nonsense.

Sorry, but I never mentioned spray paint or zinc. Where are you getting this stuff?

Long Ranger's weight is published. Easy to find and not very impressive for what it is.

I agree that most Marlins aren't smooth. Did I ever say that? I have a pre-64 Win 94 that is buttery smooth. That's the standard I compare every lever gun to. Most don't hold up to that standard however.

You may find my comment about matte finish looking cheap comical, but thats just your opinion. It's every bit as valid as mine. See my reference rifle above. A few million Win 94 owners would agree with me here.

I have no idea why you keep using the word hate other than you feel personally attacked? I dunno. That's for you to decide. I have no strong feelings about Henry rifles. I just think they have a great marketing dept. that has a lot of folks fooled into believing they are worth more than they really are.

If you want someone who is offering a different opinion to "just go away" what does that say about your own? Free country pal, in case you haven't noticed. The model X is another overpriced, overhyped Henry product IMO.

But that's just my opinion and since you have such a dim view of my opinion, it shouldn't really bother you. Your opinion doesn't bother me one bit. It's called tolerance. Try it sometime.

 

[Havok7416]

I am looking for a lever gun. Either this or the new Marlin seem to fit the bill being that they both have threaded barrels. I guess I will have to see which one I come across first for the right price.

 

[<*(((><]

I don't have any problem with a "tactical" lever action such as the Henry X. Seems like a utilitarian lever action would be a nice change of pace where one doesn't have to pay as close of attention to keeping it nice.

Give the consumer a melonite finish, threaded barrel, full length tube magazine, picatinny rail, and ability to mount a WML; sounds like a rifle I could find a space for in my gunsafe with a can attached to it; and make it 45LC (with the correct twist for heavies) with a loading gate. I'm not asking much.

I've always thought that the lever action rifle was the original AR15 for utility and defense, it certainly was when the west was being fought for and settled. I'll have to take a look at one when I see one in the stores, I need to get over my distaste for Henry due to ONE of their product lines that I bought long ago.


For current production lever guns I go to Winchester and Uberti, my brother has both new production Winchesters and Uberti's in .357 mag and they are very nice. The Uberti Silverboy my brother has in .22 and .22mag is worlds better than the Henry .17HMR I had, I will say that. The Uberti silverboy has controlled round feed which is a nice feature.

But I admit I got jaded against Henry for the cheap zinc framed .17HMR whose paint was chipped and peeling near the ejection port. I probably should get over that and take another look at their centerfires as I know they are not made with the same materials, but the taste is still in my mouth 10 years later. It doesn't help that I can still regularly find old Winchesters and Marlins for sale.

 

[cdb1]

After being in outside sales and sales management for 30 years I appreciate good marketing. I don’t own any Henry products currently and have no plans to unless they come out with a 22” barrel Long Ranger. I don’t care for Vortex scopes either but appreciate the outstanding marketing Vortex and Henry do which results in them being financially sound.

 

[CraigC]

Sorry, but I never mentioned spray paint or zinc. Where are you getting this stuff?

From your post.

I prefer well blued steel over painted steel.

Long Ranger's weight is published. Easy to find.

Indeed it is.

I sought out and handled a long ranger and they lost me with the 7.5 lbs. weight. Absolutely no reason for a lever action carbine to weigh that much.

It's 7lbs, same exact weight as a Marlin 336.

I agree that most Marlins aren't smooth. Did I ever say that?

You kinda did. Twice.

Smoother action, better bluing, more attractive rifle overall IMO.

Every Marlin I've handled has had a smoother lever action than every Henry I've handled.

You may find my comment about matte finish looking cheap comical, but thats just your opinion. It's every bit as valid as mine. See my reference rifle above. A few million Win 94 owners would agree with me here.

It is comical because it's the same finish as on every part of the Marlin's receiver except the side flats. Marlin has never been very good at finish work. It's comical because a good matte finish is often done over a fine polish. Not rough machine work like Marlin did for so many years.

Not sure what your Winchester comment is in reference to.

I have no idea why you keep using the word hate other than you feel personally attacked? I dunno. That's for you to decide. I have no strong feelings about Henry rifles. I just think they have a great marketing dept. that has a lot of folks fooled into believing they are worth more than they really are.

If you want someone who is offering a different opinion to "just go away" what does that say about your own? Free country pal, in case you haven't noticed. The model X is another overpriced, overhyped Henry product IMO.

But that's just my opinion and since you have such a dim view of my opinion, it shouldn't really bother you. Your opinion doesn't bother me one bit. It's called tolerance. Try it sometime.

I call it hate because it is irrational and emotional. Not fact based. It's not your opinion I have a problem with, I think I was pretty clear about that in the last post but I'll reiterate. What I have a problem with is the misinformation. What I have a problem with is a thread about a new rifle offering that gets polluted with a bunch of nonsense from someone who is misinformed and has no plans on even considering one. Differing opinions are to be tolerated. Misinformation and trolling are not. Learn the difference.

 

[CraigC]

I am looking for a lever gun. Either this or the new Marlin seem to fit the bill being that they both have threaded barrels. I guess I will have to see which one I come across first for the right price.

If you plan on shooting subsonics, pay close attention to the Marlin's twist rate. Henry is going the right direction with 1-20" while Marlin may stick to their old 1-38" twist.

 

[CraigC]

And here's something I didn't see until yesterday. Ruger 77/44's with threaded muzzles.

 

[CraigC]

I'm interested in both the Henry X and the Marlin Dark 1894, at this point, Marlin hasn't posted any product info on the 1894 Dark in their website. I'm curious if they discussed it at Shot Show, and if so, if they mentioned the twist rate on the .44? Henry made the right move by going with a faster 1:20 twist, I'm hoping Marlin did the same, but if they stuck with their usual 1:38, that will kill it for me.

On the other hand, if the Dark is twisted properly, the shorter barrel would be a slight plus.

https://grabagun.com/marlin-1894-dark-44-rem-mag-16-25-7-round.html

What is comical is some folks complaining about Henry's pricing when it'll be about $200 less than the Marlin 1894 Dark. I think a good many have not been paying attention to what prices have done in the last 10yrs, on everything.

As long as the Marlin's twist rate is 1-20", I'd take either one and not whine about the price.

 

[LoonWulf]

What is comical is some folks complaining about Henry's pricing when it'll be about $200 less than the Marlin 1894 Dark. I think a good many have not been paying attention to what prices have done in the last 10yrs, on everything.

As long as the Marlin's twist rate is 1-20", I'd take either one and not whine about the price.

well you keep em, I'll take that 77/44 you just posted!