Who likes AK type rifles?

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Yep.
I am convinced cheap ammo (wolf and the like) generally gives one the accuracy that was paid for, as in subpar. While many American manufacturers use common .308 projectiles rather than .311 that should be used, resulting in less than ideal groups.

When correct, quantity ammo is used the people that spend all that time talking about how inaccurate they are are normally surprised at the results. Not that they become target rifles, but the inaccuracy claims are overblown, imo.
 
Old Dog said:
The question was, "how many are fans of the AK?"

I didn't denounce the AK; I acknowledged it for its durability and reliability, and I merely stated that I am not a fan and I don't want to own a firearm commonly used by my enemies against me. It's just a personal thing for me. Plus, as I said, the AK is ugly and crude.

And as to whether all DA/SA pistols are indeed derived from the P-38 (arguable), that has zero to do with detesting or disliking a particular firearm for its country of origin or which countries used it in war.
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I'm not a fan of designs by polygamists. Similarly, I don't fault the design, but I don't want to own one. I don't own AK's either, but my anti-affinity is more complex than us vs. them. Vietnam is very personal to me. On one hand, I admire the rebels that had the courage to take on people like Kennedy, Johnson, and Kissinger and fight for their independence and freedom. These people were incredible fighters. People like Hal Moore shared my admiration for them, and frankly, my disdain for Johnson's corrupt freeloaders. It's a pity that they could only find alliance with Communist Chinese. I have no love for communism, nor do I appreciate that Americans, of whom I am and my family, had to take fire from them. People I love are ethnic Chinese, but not Communist. Communism ruined Vietnam. Then when China went to war against Vietnam, the Vietnamese turned on my people, Chinese people.
 
I have a strange aversion to AK47's that I realize may not be logical. The same thing that makes AR15's great, which is having multiple choices to build your own - I find that to be a detriment to the AK47. BECAUSE there are so many variations, and quite frankly most are bad, it just turns me off. With an AR15, it's a rounding error if you happen to get an inaccurate one. With an AK, it's a rounding error if you get an accurate one.

That said, I have a couple Vz.58's which I love. That's the pinnacle of the 7.62x39 in combloc weapons. In this particular gun, I find it reassuring there is only one good choice out of the two imports.
 
AKs are beautiful rifles. They are manufactured by many different countries including the United States, so I don’t understand the virtue signaling with regards to "commies" from several decades ago. An AK with wooden furniture is just as classic and good looking as an old Smith or Colt revolver with wood grips or a Colt 1911. Just a classic look and feel to them unlike the tacticool AR15s which remind me of Glocks and the like type of category.

I own Wasrs, a few Veprs, and a few Zastavas. I believe I own like 12 AKs all together.

Here's a Molot Vepr in 308win with a 20.5" barrel that I recently took photos of to sell it, but I don't know if I can bring myself too. Another thing I love about imported AKs is they hold there value or go up in value. I purchased the AK in the picture below for $800 in 2017 and less than 6 years later it's worth $1600 probably more. My other AKs have also went up in value while AR15s have lost value.

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valnar said:
I have a strange aversion to AK47's that I realize may not be logical. The same thing that makes AR15's great, which is having multiple choices to build your own - I find that to be a detriment to the AK47. BECAUSE there are so many variations, and quite frankly most are bad, it just turns me off. With an AR15, it's a rounding error if you happen to get an inaccurate one. With an AK, it's a rounding error if you get an accurate one.

That said, I have a couple Vz.58's which I love. That's the pinnacle of the 7.62x39 in combloc weapons. In this particular gun, I find it reassuring there is only one good choice out of the two imports.
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Most variants aren't bad. Not sure where you got that from. The only offerings that tend to be bad are the US manufactured AKs.

There's usually a lot of hate and stereotypes and false assumptions when it comes to AK47s. One falsehood is they are inaccurate. These are typical claims made by those who don't have much experience with the platform or most variants. Go over to AKFiles.com and watch a few dedicated AK YouTube channels, and there are guys who will out shoot those using their favorite ARs or other platforms.
 
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Styx said:
Most variants aren't bad. Not sure where you got that from. The only offerings that tend to be bad are the US manufactured AKs.

There's usually a lot of hate and stereotypes and false assumptions when it comes to AK47s. One falsehood is they are inaccurate. These are typical claims made by those who don't have much experience with the platform or most variants. Go over to AKFiles.com and watch a few dedicated AK YouTube channels, and there are guys who will out shoot those using their favorite ARs or other platforms.
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I'm not sure that's a false assumption. It wasn't even in the design spec to be anywhere close to MOA. Loose tolerances make it reliable.
 
valnar said:
I'm not sure that's a false assumption. It wasn't even in the design spec to be anywhere close to MOA. Loose tolerances make it reliable.
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You do know that all AKs are monolithic? Just like AR15s, bolt rifles, and even semiauto handguns whether one is close to MOA or not depends on a lot of things other than the fact that it's an AK. AKs are also offered in 22lr, 9mm, 223/556, 7.62x39, 5.45×39, 308win, etc. While 7.62x39 isn't designed for and it's purpose isn't to excell as a long distance precision caliber, their are other calibers on the market.
 
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I would own a AK. Easy to get along with and maintain. I like shooting my friends. I bought aVZ58 CSA first and never felt that an extra AK in the safe brought anything more to the table. (have 30 great working mags for it). Truthfully it gets shot about 5-6 times a year. My Grendel AR almost every range trip.
 
I prefer the AK just due to having much experience with one, and a pretty good level of expertise, if I don't say so myself! The AR, none at all other than I built one and I like it, but it just doesn't really float my boat in any way. (she's good looking for sure, M16A1 Clone with BCM barrel) I can still assemble and disassemble my AK blindfolded, I'd have to get out a book or refresh myself via youtube in order to really strip the AR down beyond a field-strip. I would never grab the AR instead of the AK if the aliens attacked, would not even cross my mind, but again that's due to no expertise with an AR, and the AK being very familiar territory. Never have shot or used an AR enough to trust it. Can it be trusted? of course. But in the AK, I truly trust.

On accuracy, my friend and I both came within a few points of making rifleman with our '74's, at two Appleseed shoots. The only others to do so, at both shoots were shooting scoped 1022's. (I almost made it with my Garand, and 03A3 Springfield too, at other/different Appleseed shoots.) The AK is accurate. I think it was a bad day when Appleseed decided to allow .22LR's to be used. But that, is another story.

On looks, a box-stock AK without the thumbhole stock looks way better than short little AR's with doo-dads and rails, scopes, flashlights and electric gizmos hanging all over them. That's UGLY! And I know ugly. However, I think the most good-looking battle rifle of modern type is the M16A1. Crude? Perhaps, but in a cool steam-punk sort of way. But of course, one can start hanging after market doo-dadds and stocks all over an AK, and reach a higher level of ugliness, if it is ugly to begin with. But again, not ugly to me. Cool looking. Boss! Bitchen!
 
I have a different take on the mini-14, none of which is COC compliant.

Needless to say, that's the one rifle I would gladly give to my enemy and thank him for taking it.
 
The AK is definitely on the list for me. Just never got to the top. SKS covered that x39 spot and the 6.5 grendel AR destroyed any accuracy hopes for the cartridge.

with that said, I need one. Likely from PSA.
 
cfullgraf said:
At one time, 30-40 years ago, I was interested in getting an AK, but they just do not live up to any accuracy standards.

I have a couple $100 SKS's from the 1989's and that is close enough to a 7.62x39 rifle I care to own.

As Col. Whelen said, "only accurate rifles are interesting".
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I still stand by original quote but for a battle rifle, the AK series has lots going for it.

Inexpensive, accurate enough for the most encountered ranges, and durable.

I’d think you could not come up with a better rifle for run of the mill conscripts.
 
CoalCrackerAl said:
I like the look of them. If scopes were easy to mount. I would own one. Today's prices on them are crazy.
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You need to find one with the Russian mount on the side. My Romanian has this mounting option. I then found (what I think is) a MI brand low mount that took normal pic rail rings. Then picked up a Primary arms 1-8 scope with drops. I think it is as accurate as needed.

And I since we are talking about AKs....
I have a couple binary triggers. Anyone have one for their AK?
I am not a mag dump guy. What I end up doing on the HK is two round burst. My brain seems to be able to pull trigger and release trigger. I think this would be great if I really needed to stop someone. Two and then change target.
I just wish they had one which works with an underfolder and regular selector lever.
 
To me the AK is the quintessential “bad guy” gun. Communists, terrorists, guerillas… whoever the media tells me is bad, they’re probably packing an AK with an iconic banana-shaped, curved mag and lots of bluing wear. Gives it a romance that an AR can never have. And I think it upsets gun-banners even more than an AR because of the scary “enemy” imagery.
 
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