Last time I looked on the shelves at the LGS, Winchester an Sig Sauer target ammo all I could see. No SD ammo in 357 SIG there.
Is SIG not making .40 cal pistols anymore?
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True... 380acp, 9mm, and 38 special makes most sense out of micro guns. The aforementioned make more sense than 357mag, 45acp, and 10mm as well for pocket sized handguns.
That said, I've owned all calibers and generations of the Shield including the Plus. I didn't notice much of a difference between 9mm and 40s&w out of the Shield using different range ammo (I can't recall grains or anything). The Shield 40 and 45 are less snappy and had less recoil than these popular, lighter, smaller, two finger grip micro nines that everyone loves. They're even easier to shoot than 12oz +/- two finger grip 38 special revolvers. I'd love to see a Shield Plus (3" and 4") and G48 in 40s&w, but I doubt that would happen unless YouTube and social media influencers, firearm online magazines, and law enforcement agencies start pushing 40s&w again. If and when that happens, the general public will fall in love again, and manufacturers will act in kind.
What hasn't been mentioned yet, and what I loved the most about 40s&w that made it my preferred platform of choice is that you could have 3 calibers in one. You could buy a 40s&w handgun, buy conversion barrels, and be able to shoot 9mm and 357sig out of the same handgun. You have more versatility out of the 40s&w platform than you do with these modular platforms like the P365, P320, Beretta APX, etc when it comes to switching calibers.
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As I mentioned in post #12, that 2 of my 40s have 357 SIG barrels, but also with 9x19 barrels. But I hardly use the 9mm barrels. It's a toss up between 40 & 357 S, which barrels get used the most.
At least for now....we'll see if it holds up over the long run...Rod
No doubt
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I own three .40 S&W pistols. Two were trade-ins; a Beretta 96DAO and a Glock 22, and a S&W Model 4013 that I bought new in the mid-1990’s.
Good guns, all. I don’t shoot them all that much, but the guns and caliber are effective combos for home or self defense.
If I spy a CZ 75 .40 at the LGS for sale, that will probably be the last .40 I buy. (Only to add to my 9mm and .45 CZ’s.) If others spot good deals on new or used .40 pistols, I say go for it.
The round won’t be dying out anytime soon, there are lots of .40 S&W caliber guns out there to keep feeding.
Stay safe.
Good guns, all. I don’t shoot them all that much, but the guns and caliber are effective combos for home or self defense.
If I spy a CZ 75 .40 at the LGS for sale, that will probably be the last .40 I buy. (Only to add to my 9mm and .45 CZ’s.) If others spot good deals on new or used .40 pistols, I say go for it.
The round won’t be dying out anytime soon, there are lots of .40 S&W caliber guns out there to keep feeding.
Stay safe.
mcb
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It would be interesting to see how much lower 40S&W would sink if USPSA got rid of the 40 cal for Major requirement in several of the divisions. Allot of 40S&W gets shot in that sport due to that requirement. Might be enough to have a market impact especially with much 40S&W had already faded in CCW and law enforcement markets.
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That's kinda what I missed about .40 s&w, back when just about every new 9mm had a .40 version as well. Obviously it wasn't difficult to engineer since everyone was doing it. Even my credit card thin first gen Walther PPS came in .40 flavor.
I shoot more 9mm cause it's cheap, but nice to have some other calibers to make things interesting.
"Oh, you shoot .40s&w? That's SOOOOO pre-pandemic! All the cool kids shoot .30 Super Carry darling!"
I shoot more 9mm cause it's cheap, but nice to have some other calibers to make things interesting.
"Oh, you shoot .40s&w? That's SOOOOO pre-pandemic! All the cool kids shoot .30 Super Carry darling!"
The SIG production decision is more about marketing than cartridge performance. If demand for 40 S&W is down for any reason, better to use resources to meet higher demand elsewhere. One reason demand is down is the influx of LE trade-ins, offering good guns at lower prices. Those guns in circulation mean there will be a demand for ammunition for the foreseeable future, and that demand will be accommodated even though lower volumes may mean it costs more.
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I shot 40S&W in Limited, Limited-10, and Revolver divisions for years. Now I mostly shot 38 Short Colt in Revolver, but still shooting 40 in the other two.
Perhaps it's not quite as simple as recoil tolerance since SIG is still selling pistols chambered for 10mm.
I love how people immediately resort to insulting people who have different caliber preferences.
My first handgun was a .357Mag--still have it and in all the time I've owned it, I've shot maybe 2 boxes of .38Spl out of it. The rest have been full power .357Mag. My first Glock was a 10mm and I still have it. It's my nightstand gun. A few years back, I shot over 1K rounds through it in a single day and then shot another couple hundred rounds through it in a match the next day without being reduced to a quivering mass due to recoil. In spite of the fact that I seem to do ok with recoil, I've never owned a .40S&W. I did have a .40S&W conversion barrel for one of my 10mm pistols, but it wasn't getting any use so I sold it.
In spite of the fact that my "dainty hands" can and do tolerate and control a lot more than 9mm recoil, my primary carry guns are both chambered in 9mm.
Yup. In fact, most of the time you can do the same with a 10mm which gives you 4 calibers in one.
I've been shooting Limited minor with my carry gun from concealment in an AIWB holster for years now, although I'm dabbling in Limited Optics now (also AIWB/concealed). Thirty years ago, I started with a Para-Ordnance P14.45, then when the 1911 Society was born, I learned how awesome single stack 1911s were, so I shot Limited major with a single stack until Limited 10 arrived, so I used the same gun for that. Then when .45 ammo got spendy in the early 2000s, I got the first 9mm single stack in my area to take advantage of cheap factory 9mm and didn't care that I was shooting minor PF. Then Single Stack division was born and I shot minor/10rd mags there during the years when my shooting skills peaked. Bringing it back on topic . . . never did I shoot .40 in USPSA (or IDPA, or 3-Gun, or NRA Action Pistol, or Steel Challenge, or bowling pins, or training, or . . .) and I never really had the urge. In the early years of .40 in single stack 1911s, it was challenging (and not worth it to me) to get a gun to function properly.
I owned a few Glock .40s and other polymers guns in .40 in the 90s, but I didn't like the way they shot and eventually transferred them to people who would appreciate them more.
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Just chiming in to say I don’t own any 9mms and love .40 and 10 mm. Reloading helps defray the cost of shooting more lead.
PS: regular practice makes one proficient in any caliber, regardless of bullet weight, recoil, etc.
Ps again- I don’t begrudge any guy or gal for their firearm and cartridge of choice. We are blessed to live where we are free to make up own mind.
PS: regular practice makes one proficient in any caliber, regardless of bullet weight, recoil, etc.
Ps again- I don’t begrudge any guy or gal for their firearm and cartridge of choice. We are blessed to live where we are free to make up own mind.
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I never had a need for a 40 S&W until 10-15 years back, when you couldn’t find 9mm ammo to save your butt. All I could find was .40 and a lot of it. That’s when I picked one up and haven’t been without a 40 S&W and have added a couple more calibers. Guess it’s my view of diversity.
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I chose 10mm over the “big fawty” as thugs call it. I now have three 10mm handguns. As far as my safe is concerned, I’ll never own a “fawty.”
I would choose 357 sig or 45 acp, if I had to pick something other than 9mm and 10mm.
I would choose 357 sig or 45 acp, if I had to pick something other than 9mm and 10mm.
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After the Sandy Hook incident, I remember.
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Me as well. A Glock 23. It is still the only .40 S&W I have, but I’ve been pretty tempted to add another…
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It’s hard to pass up police trade in Glock and S&W 40’s for $2xx these days.
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I bought a Springfield XD 40 full size when they first came out at first did not like it that much but once I retired and had time to really work with it I have grown to just love it. I went away from 180gr bullets to a 140 gr LFP my accuracy greatly improved I just never liked the heavier bullets. I know not to many companies are making 40 right now but Springfield still has a XD , Rock Island still has a 1911 in 40 and I believe S&W has a M&P in 40 so I am good. I am going to my LGS after the holidays to order a Springfield XD 5 inch in 40. I have two 9mm a semi auto and a revolver I like them but will not be buying any more of them , I much prefer 38super over the 9mm.
I have owned a Beretta 92 INOX for over 30 years now and it is often my night stand gun. About a year ago I bought 96 INOX barrel and slide. For plinking and target shooting at the range my Beretta usually wears the 9mm barrel. For home protection I tend towards the 40 S&W barrel.
I used to despise 40's when they were the "IN" thing. I would always get one or two pieces of 40 brass mixed in with my 9mm brass and it would jamb my Dillon 650 press. Now that I have a couple of 5 gallon buckets full of 9mm brass I dont bother to pick it up any more and owning a 40 has become less offensive.
I used to despise 40's when they were the "IN" thing. I would always get one or two pieces of 40 brass mixed in with my 9mm brass and it would jamb my Dillon 650 press. Now that I have a couple of 5 gallon buckets full of 9mm brass I dont bother to pick it up any more and owning a 40 has become less offensive.
I built a P80 Glock 27 clone. It usually wears the 9mm conversion barrel at the range but the 40 barrel if I am carrying it. Pretty decent firepower in a pretty nice sized package.