um, that complication is by design to scare gun owners away from traveling with guns.They sure do make it more complicated than it should be for the people that care.
The confusion posted here is a classic example of this.
just sayin'
um, that complication is by design to scare gun owners away from traveling with guns.They sure do make it more complicated than it should be for the people that care.
um, that complication is by design to scare gun owners away from traveling with guns.
The confusion posted here is a classic example of this.
just sayin'
I understand your comment, and concur with it, as well.Please be careful not to place too much trust in the FOPA.
I know I said I was done with input on this one, by I'd like to point out one more thing. While TSA does allow TSA locks on gun cases, they definitely do not require them. Flying with guns really isn't complicated. I've done it a bunch of times, in and out of airports all over the country. The fact of the matter, in real life, not internet forum theory land, is that it's very simple and only on rare occasions causes even so much as a delay in a person's trip, as long as they're following a few, easy to understand procedures.They sure do make it more complicated than it should be for the people that care.
The complication/confusion is being perpetrated by scaremongers.um, that complication is by design to scare gun owners away from traveling with guns.
The confusion posted here is a classic example of this.
just sayin'
Captain,I understand your comment, and concur with it, as well.
But, this being the Legal Forum, the rules of this forum tell us to only quote the law as written, and to not engage in speculation or opinion upon the execution and/or enforcement of that law, or to give into all-too natural political shadings such opinions must needs generate.
The question of the imperfection of FOPA is within the cope of other jurisprudence, and where that occurs, we can gab upon that.
In this situation, we are at enough remove to warrant accepting the thing as it was written. Recall that we are not meant to give advice lay or legal in the Legal Forum.
Had this been in General, then, yes, to the limits of the THR Terms of Service, then we could reflect on our personal experience of having "been there" or reading of such things, to advise OP.
My experience flying all over the country since 9/11, when TSA locks became a thing, is TSA locks are a non-issue on gun cases exactly as the TSA instructions state. TSA doesn't care.
More scaremongering.TSA may not care. But you can get every single TSA master key on Amazon for about $25. Now your gun case, that is secured with a TSA lock that only the "trusted government" should open, can be opened by anyone with an Amazon account. I put non-TSA locks on my luggage and my gun case. Good locks. I want whatever criminal breaking in to work for it. Whether those criminals are TSA agents or plain clothes criminals.
More scaremongering.
A small bolt cutter is quicker and less effort than sorting through a bunch of keys to find the one that'll open a TSA lock. It requires time, opportunity, and a discreet location out of view of eyes and cameras to tamper with and break into luggage.
I've had TSA open my luggage without informing me (they're supposed to put a notice in the bag when they do but they don't always do). The TSA locks inform me they've been in my bag.
I've flown extensively with pistols in my bags with zero issues, flying many times a year since the mid-1990s.
I've had TSA cut the padlocks on my bags, including a full-size padlock on a military duffle bag, from the period shortly after 9-11 to about 2008, when I started using TSA locks.
If TSA cuts your lock(s), then your luggage is accessible to everyone.
More scaremongering.
Gee, somewhere along the baggage handling process, pesky terrorists could also sneak a bomb inside your luggage to blow up your plane.Scaremongering? Baggage handlers and criminals getting keys online has been reported at dozens of airports. And is the number one way baggage theft happens. Far more than bolt cutter robberies. You can fly how you want to but personally, I want a lock that doesn't have hundreds of keys all over.
Where did you get that statistic? I have never met anyone who had an item pilfered from their luggage, but I know several who have lost an entire suitcase. Not saying you're wrong, but I want to see the statistic that conflicts with the small sampling that is my experience.Scaremongering? Baggage handlers and criminals getting keys online has been reported at dozens of airports. And is the number one way baggage theft happens.
Now who is "Scaremongering"Gee, somewhere along the baggage handling process, pesky terrorists could also sneak a bomb inside your luggage to blow up your plane.
The bottom line is, you can legally lock your gun case using a TSA lock.
Bag thefts are at all time highs every where. Any Google search can tell you as such. No lock is going to keep a criminal out forever. But why would someone get a TSA lock that can be opened by master keys you can buy from all over the internet? "If a lock opens for one key, it is a good lock. If a lock opens for 1000 keys, it is a ****ty lock." Thousands of bags go missing every year. There are entire stores dedicated to buying stuff found in unclaimed baggage or baggage found. A family member of mine recently bought over 10K of raw turquoise at a fraction of the cost because it was claimed merchandise they buy wholesale. Just because "friends" have never had stuff taken, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.Where did you get that statistic? I have never met anyone who had an item pilfered from their luggage, but I know several who have lost an entire suitcase. Not saying you're wrong, but I want to see the statistic that conflicts with the small sampling that is my experience.
Again, what is your basis for the claim that the number one theft is people opening TSA locks and stealing stuff out of bags? Not just taking the whole bag?Now who is "Scaremongering"
No one ever said you couldn't. The decision to do so is stupid in my opinion. You do you.
Bag thefts are at all time highs every where. Any Google search can tell you as such. No lock is going to keep a criminal out forever. But why would someone get a TSA lock that can be opened by master keys you can buy from all over the internet? "If a lock opens for one key, it is a good lock. If a lock opens for 1000 keys, it is a ****ty lock." Thousands of bags go missing every year. There are entire stores dedicated to buying stuff found in unclaimed baggage or baggage found. A family member of mine recently bought over 10K of raw turquoise at a fraction of the cost because it was claimed merchandise they buy wholesale. Just because "friends" have never had stuff taken, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
How common is it for airport officers to steal valuables from luggage?
I've heard that this happens frequently with the TSA in the United States and almost always in checked-in bags. I'll be travelling soon to Los Angeles for a holiday and I don't know whether to be a...travel.stackexchange.com
If it makes you feel better, put a Pelican case with Master padlocks and cable lock it to your suitcase
I don't see in the TSA regulations where it specifically says that the hardsided locked handgun case can go inside my regular suitcase. But that is how I should do it, right? Locked handgun case inside the regular suitcase?