I read in another post, a couple of guys were talking about problems with the Glock Generation 4s. I am looking at getting a model 19 (not soon) but wanted to ask about potential/actual problems? If problems exist is it throughout the entire line?
Glock Gen 4 problems?
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There have been reported problems with the 9x19mm Gen4 Glocks.
Failure to extract/feed when using "low powered" 9x19mm ammo (usually with inexpensive FMJs found at Walmart). It's the reason why Glock made a new recoil spring assembly for the 9x19mm Gen4 Glocks. There have been no reported problems with the new spring assembly or when using non-low power ammo.
No reported problems with the .40S&W, .357SIG and .45GAP Gen4 Glocks.
Failure to extract/feed when using "low powered" 9x19mm ammo (usually with inexpensive FMJs found at Walmart). It's the reason why Glock made a new recoil spring assembly for the 9x19mm Gen4 Glocks. There have been no reported problems with the new spring assembly or when using non-low power ammo.
No reported problems with the .40S&W, .357SIG and .45GAP Gen4 Glocks.
Prion
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I don't own one, however I did try to help a fellow get his gen 4 G17 to run a while back.
It didn't make it through a mag even after 100 rounds and a thorough cleaning. No follow up on that gun.
I was pretty suprised as was everyone who witnessed this Glock choke.
I've never witnessed a Glock perform like this.
It didn't make it through a mag even after 100 rounds and a thorough cleaning. No follow up on that gun.
I was pretty suprised as was everyone who witnessed this Glock choke.
I've never witnessed a Glock perform like this.
REAPER4206969
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Just buy a GEN1/2/3 and be done with it. Seven million people can't be wrong!
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Winchester white box.
Remington UMC.
Use NATO spec or +P ammo and it works fine.
Personally, I'd spend $400 and get a Stoeger Cougar instead. It's a Beretta Cougar, made by a Beretta subsidiary in Turkey on Beretta's machine tools.
http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/stoeger_cougar.php
http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/stoeger_cougar.php
Lord Palmerston
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Hi folks. I am new in THR forums, which I find very interesting and an excellent way to acquire a sound knowledge about certain aspects of firearms. I was about to buy a G-19, 4th. Gen. Yet, I will wait until I get more information about those problems, whether real or not. The guys at my gunsmith shop think that the 4th. Gen Glocks are as good, if not better than the previous ones.
Hey LP...Welcome to THR!
Yeah that might be a good idea to hold off on that purchase.
So you're in Richmond VA huh?...not too far from my birthplace in Fairfax VA...about 100 miles north of you. I'm in Indiana now, but miss VA badly.
Do you have any other 9mms?
Yeah that might be a good idea to hold off on that purchase.
So you're in Richmond VA huh?...not too far from my birthplace in Fairfax VA...about 100 miles north of you. I'm in Indiana now, but miss VA badly.
Do you have any other 9mms?
tinygnat219
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I have put 1500 rounds through my Gen 4 19. With Ammo from Blazer Aluminum, Wolf, Federal, S&B, Speer Gold Dot, Horaday, etc.
0 problems, misfires, FTF, FTE, jams, etc. with this firearm. It's every bit as reliable as my Gen 3, and IMHO it shoots better. You don't really notice the dual recoil spring assembly unless you shoot the +P, and that's when it's noticeable.
Glock hit a home run here folks. It's a nice design, nice price, and it's got that good old Glock reliability. I used to hate these guns until I couldn't get them to fail. Now, I swim in the Kool-Aid.
0 problems, misfires, FTF, FTE, jams, etc. with this firearm. It's every bit as reliable as my Gen 3, and IMHO it shoots better. You don't really notice the dual recoil spring assembly unless you shoot the +P, and that's when it's noticeable.
Glock hit a home run here folks. It's a nice design, nice price, and it's got that good old Glock reliability. I used to hate these guns until I couldn't get them to fail. Now, I swim in the Kool-Aid.
IBEWBULL
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I would like to remind everyone the ammo and just about all Walmart items are the very bottom bids they can squeek out of our manufactors.
They promis producers high volum in excange for the cut rate price then profits at the plant decrease and quality will suffer.
I would be hesitant on betting my life on what amounts to be questionable quality ammo.
Let the buyer beware.
They promis producers high volum in excange for the cut rate price then profits at the plant decrease and quality will suffer.
I would be hesitant on betting my life on what amounts to be questionable quality ammo.
Let the buyer beware.
Lord Palmerston
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Hi, 9mm. Thanks for your words. So, you are from Fairfax, nice place to live. Yes, I have another 9x19, a G 26 which, until now, has always worked flawlessly. I put about 3K rounds through it, many of them bought at Wal Mart, where I often get Federal, FMJ, at about 11 bucks the box of 50 rnds.
Considering that Walmart has sold and sells millions of these 9mm rounds, I think that Winchester and Federal are mindful of putting their name/logo on this ammo and having it function well. I have yet to have any problems with WWB or Federal ammo purchased at Walmart or at any of the dozens of "discount" stores that sell this ammo. I have read of some problems from other shooters, but this seems to be rare.
My OP was dealing with Gen 4 Glocks having problems and some obviously do. The problem is determining whether or not this is isolated or something inherent in this generation of G-nines. Time will tell.
LP: The G26 is a nice pistol, had one myself about 10 years ago...sold it for a j frame smith and was quite happy with it, just preference re: ergonomics.
Then I got divorced and that little j frame went to the ex...I miss it, and i don't mean the wife!!
My OP was dealing with Gen 4 Glocks having problems and some obviously do. The problem is determining whether or not this is isolated or something inherent in this generation of G-nines. Time will tell.
LP: The G26 is a nice pistol, had one myself about 10 years ago...sold it for a j frame smith and was quite happy with it, just preference re: ergonomics.
Then I got divorced and that little j frame went to the ex...I miss it, and i don't mean the wife!!
DenaliPark
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It's no more a Beretta than is a Taurus PT92....
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The Gen4 Glocks are perfectly fine, I own three of them. Glock replaced/upgraded the dual recoil assembly on the 9mm's after cycling issues arose, this part is easily identified by an 02 stamped into the tip of the guide rod....People had issues with the slide velocities, resulting in stovepiping ect..WWB is perfectly suitable in all Glock firearms, however you should in any dual recoil spring equipped Glock shoot several hundred rounds of hot ammo to help loosen it up....BTW, comparing a Stoger Couger to a Glock is ridiculous, like comparing a BMW with a Yugo...Considering that Walmart has sold and sells millions of these 9mm rounds, I think that Winchester and Federal are mindful of putting their name/logo on this ammo and having it function well. I have yet to have any problems with WWB or Federal ammo purchased at Walmart or at any of the dozens of "discount" stores that sell this ammo. I have read of some problems from other shooters, but this seems to be rare.
My OP was dealing with Gen 4 Glocks having problems and some obviously do. The problem is determining whether or not this is isolated or something inherent in this generation of G-nines. Time will tell.
LP: The G26 is a nice pistol, had one myself about 10 years ago...sold it for a j frame smith and was quite happy with it, just preference re: ergonomics.
Then I got divorced and that little j frame went to the ex...I miss it, and i don't mean the wife!!
Sorry, but you are ignorant of the facts. Taurus isn't a subsidiary of Beretta. Taurus doesnt use Beretta's machine tools. Taurus doesn't have any connection to Beretta. Stoeger does!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_8000
http://hueysgunsight.blogspot.com/2008/05/stoeger-cougar-8000-9mm-beretta-on.html
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possum
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i agree, go with a gen 1,2, or 3 and be done with it.
btw if you have a glock that won't run umc, wwb, remington etc you have a problem. and from the glock that i own, and the many that i have shot and owned, i would say if it doesn't run everything you feed it, you have a problem.
btw if you have a glock that won't run umc, wwb, remington etc you have a problem. and from the glock that i own, and the many that i have shot and owned, i would say if it doesn't run everything you feed it, you have a problem.
foreverpsycotic
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No problems with my gen 4 19 yet. Put through a box of most of the cheap stuff (steel cased wolf, umc, american eagle) and it fed and extracted everything perfect.
9mm - I bought one a couple of years ago that my LH small son wanted. (He only weighs about 110 lb. He had cancer when he was 10 yo.) I gave it to him for his 30th birthday. I wanted him to have something really reliable and accurate. And, now I have another one on lay-away. I'll pick it up as soon as my money comes in. I bought it for $399.99 ($400) OTD. I highly recommend the gun.
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The Stoeger is the exact pistol as the Beretta Cougar--it is really irritating that some folks don't check the facts before commenting. Other than the logo, the only difference is the paint/finish--which admittedly isn't as even or "fine" as that on the Beretta (slide has a bit of a grain to it).
I got a Stoeger Cougar last month, and got some more range time on it yesterday. It is an excellent pistol, with that Beretta "like butter" action. It has the same fire controls as the 92FS, but an improved grip and slightly different balance. If attributes such as tight fit, solid metal feel, gliding action, and a smooth trigger makes you happy, it is hard to beat this pistol for the price.
Note that it is pretty thick and heavy for its class though (likely its downfall).
I got a Stoeger Cougar last month, and got some more range time on it yesterday. It is an excellent pistol, with that Beretta "like butter" action. It has the same fire controls as the 92FS, but an improved grip and slightly different balance. If attributes such as tight fit, solid metal feel, gliding action, and a smooth trigger makes you happy, it is hard to beat this pistol for the price.
Note that it is pretty thick and heavy for its class though (likely its downfall).
Well considering my current pistol is a Ruger P95 which is a little thicker than most, this gun looks like it might be right up my alley. I like the ambi controls since I'm a south paw and an all metal handgun is fine as well. The price is also very appealing. The Glock is not out of the picture though, but enter the Cougar as competition.
Big Bill,
That must have been very difficult for you and your son when he was 10, I'm glad that he is still with us!
Big Bill,
That must have been very difficult for you and your son when he was 10, I'm glad that he is still with us!
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