Better than nothing?
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robinkevin
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Nothing wrong with the P95 however for $300 I could find a Model 10 or maybe even a 5906 which I feel would be better suited for me.
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Good advice, will have to think on that... True the HRR is still in production and will be for awhile to come so finding a deal on one of the more expensive harder to find models would make more sense.
Onward Allusion
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Gunbroker has a bunch of S&W 915 police trade-ins. They're 3rd Gen Smiths like the 5906 except they don't have the ambi safety/decocker or Novak sights and the frame is alloy like the 5903. They're well built pistols and mags are still plentiful.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=287133983
Probably right around $275 after shipping & transfer fees.
I've purchased from the seller a number of times and he's a straight shooter.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=287133983
Probably right around $275 after shipping & transfer fees.
I've purchased from the seller a number of times and he's a straight shooter.
JustinJ
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In the vast majority of HD scenarios bad guys flee at sight of gun or first shot regardless of caliber so a .22 wouldn't probably be as bad as some think. Yes, not all do but statistically you are actually pretty well defended by a .22. Bigger calibers are certainly preferable but no doubt a .22 is far better than nothing. Still i'd probably go for the high point 9 mm.
Onward Allusion
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The bulk are police trades. I picked up two 915s from him and both were like new on the inside. The outside is worn, however. I guess it depends on the gun's intended purpose. Almost all of mine are shooters or set aside for a GO Bag or two. Also the pictures look worst than the actual pistols.
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Double Naught Spy
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"Better than nothing" is the lowest possible standard that does not produce a negative or equal to nothing result. When it comes to self defense, better than nothing can include things as lowly as bad body odor and verbal assaults. Is that really the standard to which you want to exceed for your decision to be made? Shouldn't your standards be a little higher?
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I don't know if you are trying to be cute or just a smart pants... However I think most see where I am coming from.
What do you mean by my standards? Is that to imply that there is something wrong with the Rough Rider or the Caliber?
Personally I don't see anything too wrong with the HRR for a affordable single action so I don't think I am lowering my standards there. The .22 LR is great for plink and the .22 mag although bottom of the list actually is not too bad with good defense ammunition such as from Hornady. Mind you this is more of a back up to the shotgun for HD that primary HD weapon.
I find that my "standards" rise or fall with my budget and my desires. I can afford to buy a new Mercedes every couple of years so it is in my budget. I drive a Ford F150 because it meets my desires.
I budget X amount per month on my hobbies one of which is purchasing firearms and ammo. I do not go over that budget and ofeten spend zero if we don't shoot a lot of centerfire ammo. If your budget is $300 then take into account the price of the gun as well as at least 2-3 boxes of ammo. 2 for practice and 1 for SD. With 9mm you are budgeting $35-$50 for ammo. With .22 you are budgeting $10. I don't know about 22 mag but I imagine it is in between.
I budget X amount per month on my hobbies one of which is purchasing firearms and ammo. I do not go over that budget and ofeten spend zero if we don't shoot a lot of centerfire ammo. If your budget is $300 then take into account the price of the gun as well as at least 2-3 boxes of ammo. 2 for practice and 1 for SD. With 9mm you are budgeting $35-$50 for ammo. With .22 you are budgeting $10. I don't know about 22 mag but I imagine it is in between.
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That's a main decision maker in my case right now. I like to shoot but in the past with the last two center fire pistols than I had own I found myself not getting this trigger time that I would like. I believe with cheap .22 ammo I should be able to get much more shooting in and enjoy the pistol more. Not to mention the more trigger time I get with it the more proficient I will be. I have notice in recent years I am not as good of a shot as I was back in school when I spent my free time plinking away at cans.
If you HAVE patterned a shotgun before, this wouldn't be a "LOL" statement.
Hopefully, you said that in jest.
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I'll be honest I don't know what you mean by patterned a shotgun...
But I have probably shot shotguns a lot more than any other firearms and it's pretty hard to miss. Of course I guess it is possible to miss if you don't hold the shotgun in the pocket correctly and that somehow miss aligns your eye to the bead? But really with a shouldered full length shotgun in home defense range (10 yards max?) I don't really think anyone would have a reason to miss... but then again I have seen worst.
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At self defense ranges, your shot spread hasn't opened up much. You do have to aim. Possibly you don't have to worry about pinpoint precision, but it is absolutely a truth that people can and do miss with shotguns at self defense ranges.
Look, it's pretty simple to prove: 1. shoot a piece of cardboard at a range consistent with self defense. 2. Notice how you have one big hole, not a delightful no-miss spread. 3. Revel in the warmth of knowing that shotguns aren't magic boomsticks.
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Look, it's pretty simple to prove: 1. shoot a piece of cardboard at a range consistent with self defense. 2. Notice how you have one big hole, not a delightful no-miss spread. 3. Revel in the warmth of knowing that shotguns aren't magic boomsticks.
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CountryUgly
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A man who only owns one gun is a far more dangerous man than one who owns many guns. Make his only gun a single action .22lr and he's even more dangerous.
Chances are if you go the RR route you will end up shooting it a whole lot. What happens when you shoot a whole lot? You get really good. If you are really good six well placed shots of .22lr or mag will put any man down.
Chances are if you go the RR route you will end up shooting it a whole lot. What happens when you shoot a whole lot? You get really good. If you are really good six well placed shots of .22lr or mag will put any man down.
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robinkevin
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Ok now I see what you are saying and yes I have shot targets at pretty close range before and see what you mean but still hard to miss, you still get a few shot outside of the center but still most bunch up pretty good and a shot or two gracing and intruder won't do much good. Then again I feel this way with just about any pistol or rifle at that range. Guess it comes with shooting since I could first reach a trigger. I shot the old mans .357 troop at the age of 6, it busted my lip. Dad made me shoot it again so I wouldn't be afraid of it...
My outlook and kinda what I was thinking more so is even with the spread not fully open it's like throwing a softball compare to a marble, which are you more likely to miss with. At the same time I was telling my wife just yesterday matter of fact that I needed to get her some time with the shotgun so she can shoot it and I don't think she quite understands that it is possible to miss just harder.
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My thoughts exactly... glad to to know I am not the only one that feels this way.
SabbathWolf
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Wow Bro...
No offense intended, but it honestly sounds to me like you have no clue what you are talking about. "Especially" since you say you've fired shotguns more than anything else.
Just being honest here.
In a short range CQB situation such as home defense...a shotgun spread can be as small as a silver dollar. It is "VERY" easy to miss. Just as easy to miss as it would be with a handgun or rifle.
Since you admit you don't even know what it means to "pattern" a shotgun...then I submit that your experience with said guns are based on movies, TV and video games or something -vs- any real first hand experience with them.
If you want to learn, and appreciate good advice from some of the very knowledgeable members here...then that's awesome. You'll receive a lot of assistance for sure.
But just don't try to B.S. us OK?
I hate that.
This thread has a lot of my favorite things - HRR's, CZ-82's, .38 spl. and HiPoint.
You can't go wrong with any of these.
The CZ is ths cream of the Makarov crop, and is as good as any CZ made (which is pretty damn good) and is a huge bargain below $200. Mak ammo is as cheap as 9mm if you buy from a place like CTD. And it has a better trigger than a lot of guns costing 3x as much. One sits in the safe at the head of the bed at my house.
HRR's make me smile, and loaded with 22 mag you definitely have enough penetration to be deadly. Great gun for the money. I love mine.
HiPoint deserves much more credit than they get. Their products are functional and reliable while they have squeezed all non-essential cost out of the gun. Engineering is design to a purpose, and HiPoint's stuff is really well done for value received.
Finally, the .38 spl has been killing bad guys dead for 110 years. That's what I carry.
You can't go wrong with any of these.
The CZ is ths cream of the Makarov crop, and is as good as any CZ made (which is pretty damn good) and is a huge bargain below $200. Mak ammo is as cheap as 9mm if you buy from a place like CTD. And it has a better trigger than a lot of guns costing 3x as much. One sits in the safe at the head of the bed at my house.
HRR's make me smile, and loaded with 22 mag you definitely have enough penetration to be deadly. Great gun for the money. I love mine.
HiPoint deserves much more credit than they get. Their products are functional and reliable while they have squeezed all non-essential cost out of the gun. Engineering is design to a purpose, and HiPoint's stuff is really well done for value received.
Finally, the .38 spl has been killing bad guys dead for 110 years. That's what I carry.
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robinkevin
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No sir I don't have time to waste on bull ****. Further more I have nothing to gain or lose from telling tales. I have done a lot of hunting with the old mans 1100 and feel the way I feel. Now if you don't see things my way well that's fine everyone has a opinion, but to me a no choke shotgun is pretty darn hard to miss with. Silver dollar size? At was point blank? at 7 yards I would dare say the spread would cover my hand, but I haven't tested this in a long time, not even sure how close I was to the one target I did ever shoot with the 1100, besides game and trap. Then again it's hard to miss with a 2" J frame at 7 yards as well if you ask me. I don't know maybe we aren't compare apples to oranges if you are talking buck shot as I only have ever deal with #6 and *8 shot... Either way I don't appreciate being talk down to, I will over look it as it's not my usually experience with this site. Have a good evening.Wow Bro...
No offense intended, but it honestly sounds to me like you have no clue what you are talking about. "Especially" since you say you've fired shotguns more than anything else.
Just being honest here.
In a short range CQB situation such as home defense...a shotgun spread can be as small as a silver dollar. It is "VERY" easy to miss. Just as easy to miss as it would be with a handgun or rifle.
Since you admit you don't even know what it means to "pattern" a shotgun...then I submit that your experience with said guns are based on movies, TV and video games or something -vs- any real first hand experience with them.
If you want to learn, and appreciate good advice from some of the very knowledgeable members here...then that's awesome. You'll receive a lot of assistance for sure.
But just don't try to B.S. us OK?
I hate that.
EDIT: Haven't got my shotgun deburred or anything yet to do my own test but here is one that I found online that is pretty much what I have seen. Towards the end he is using #7.5 I am pretty sure I usually use #6 for squirrels and #8 for trap. Could be wrong as I haven't shot since high school when I left the farm (only really hunt deer anymore). So that's 7 years since I hunted... Anyhow if anyone cares here is the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=ElFmPZMtaSI
Seems most that own them do, which is why I have decided to get just that. After this thread excluding the know it alls, and some other research about their customer service, I have decided that I will be well serve going ahead and getting me a HRR.
Thanks for everyone with their input.
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SabbathWolf
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OK then.
Now I'm "convinced" you have no clue what you are talking about...and don't really care either.
But have it your way.
I'll not be wasting any more time on you.
Thank you...and have a nice day...poser.
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robinkevin
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Gotta love how if you disagree or have a different experience than someone else then you are automatically a liar, poser, sob... Goodness, anyhow I stated my case and guess till I get out and make a video to show results I'll be deemed a "poser". Oh well life goes on.
ANYHOW I have decided to go ahead and get the HRR which I am sure I wont be able to hit the side of the barn with and would be lucking to get a sign pellet from the shotgun to hit but oh wells. If anyone has anything constructive to add to this thread by all means do, anything else I will ignore.
ANYHOW I have decided to go ahead and get the HRR which I am sure I wont be able to hit the side of the barn with and would be lucking to get a sign pellet from the shotgun to hit but oh wells. If anyone has anything constructive to add to this thread by all means do, anything else I will ignore.
scythefwd
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dont know your price range, but a S&W 908 should run you in the 350 range.. little more than that rough rider, but a better made weapon, period.
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