FBI Selects Glock. What model?

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I really want to get behind this. I like the idea of the "grooveless" Glock. The older generation feels better to me.
A RTF Gen2 with a rail is kind of what I'm imagining.

And I like it. Make mine a 19
 
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I really want to get behind this. I like the idea of the "grooveless" Glock. The older generation feels better to me.*
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Feels better or works better. I don't think its the same thing. The groves on different models of Glocks are spaced differently so there is no way they are all going to line up with your fingers and “feel” good.
But I think they move less in my hand during recoil and I get better followup shots quicker, and without having to reposition the gun in my hand. Feels better, no. Works better, for me, absolutely.
Lets keep the Glock groovy.
 
rskent said:
The groves on different models of Glocks are spaced differently so there is no way they are all going to line up with your fingers and “feel” good.
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Is there a rule that I'm not aware of that permits only one specific spacing of grooves that are allowed to feel good to a person? I have noticed that I have the ability to spread my fingers apart to fit different groove spacings, doesn't make any difference in "feel" to me.

Just off-hand that I can think of, I have multiple Glocks with grooved grips, different brands of revolvers with different brands of grooved grips, a couple of 1911's with grooved grips, multiple AR-15's with different brands of grooved grips, a couple of Contenders with grooved grips, multiple knives with grooved grips, a couple of cars with grooved grips (steering wheel), some fishing rods with grooved grips on them, probably a bunch of other things I can't think of right now, and they all feel good to me. I've never compared the groove patterns on any of them, but I would be VERY surprised if any of them were the same.

If they didn't feel good I would change them.

Based on the vast number of different items sold with some sort of grooved grip, it would appear that groove spacing (like grip angle) is probably not as critical to the majority of people as it is to a few.

I can see where it would be beneficial to a large organization to specify "no grooves" rather than have to deal with the whining and excuses of some that the grooves hinder their marksmanship.
 
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rskent, feels better. I haven't had the chance to shoot a gen 1-2.

I only have one firearm with grooved grips. And it's the only one with such that felt good for me (S&W 625 W/ Arhends RB Combats). All my fishing poles, knives and steering wheels are without finger grooves currently.
 
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rskent ...The groves on different models of Glocks are spaced differently so there is no way they are all going to line up with your fingers and “feel” good.
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Nonsense.
I have Glock subcompacts, compacts, full size and large frame.......all "line up" and all feel perfectly fine.
 
Reason for Glock..it was the cheapest...but we see how this works out..they be changing their mind again

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alleycat7002 said:
Reason for Glock..it was the cheapest...but we see how this works out..they be changing their mind again

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I think there are less expensive options, although we don't really know what the govt pays on a large contract like this. M&P and FN come to mind as cheaper options (at least for civilian purchase)
 
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportu...11f9f7ff35889bf5f46c48ba0ef&tab=core&_cview=1

Review the referenced web page and access the pdf documents. It's a lot of reading and may answer some of the questions and clear up some assumptions/speculation/guesses.

For most of the questions, we'll just need to wait and see what gets delivered (& when). From there, hopefully, somebody will get a hold of one or at least some good pictures to give us a review. Will it get to the commercial or non USG market? We hope so, unless it has bugs in it, but I'm just pessimistic after seeing some new Glocks which had come out over the years only to have a need for tweaking and quiet non-recalls done.
 
The FBI isn't the only agency which might buy & use these pistols, btw:
"In addition to the FBI, the following U.S. Government entities may purchase pistols and/or parts under the contract:
United States Department of State, Bureau of Diplomatic Security
United States Marshals Service
Department of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms
United States Postal Service
United States Treasury Department
Drug Enforcement Agency
United States Capitol Police
United States Park Police
United States Department of Energy
Office of Inspector General (all Federal agencies)
United States Department of Defense

Periodic adjustments may be made to the authorized buyer list throughout the life of the contract. Authorization will be provided on a case by case basis and require advance written approval by the FBI Contracting Officer.
All orders shall be prioritized in the order they are received.
Emergency orders placed by the FBI, as identified by CO or COR, shall receive priority over all other orders under this contract."
 
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Reason for Glock..it was the cheapest...but we see how this works out..they be changing their mind again

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Cheaper than what? Glocks are more expensive than M&P, XD, Walther P99, Sig 320 and are pretty close to PPQ and VP9. Yes, classic Sigs and hammer-fired HK along with decent 1911s are more pricey, but that certainly doesn't indicate better-suited.
 
Your on drugs.. I put my Sig against your Tupperware gun any day..my Sig cost cost more than three Tupperwares.

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Your on drugs.. I put my Sig against your Tupperware gun any day..my Sig cost cost more than three Tupperwares.

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I too have Sigs and HKs and DWs and all kinds of fancy guns. And they shoot great! But my Glocks shoot just as well. If your Sig cost $1620, you are Barnum's case study (unless you are referring to a 210 or one of their race guns).
 
Most agencies when buying Glocks will only pay 50-100 for each gun. They get a good discount because the supplying vendor usually buys the agencies current gun (usually more then what they are worth used to help sweeten the deal) and the agency is only required to pay the difference (trade in value). I would imagine this will happen here as well.
 
Federal agencies are typically destroying or scrapping its used guns for the past decade or two, unlike local agencies which might be allowed to trade in its LEOs' issued handguns.

It's a case by case basis when it comes to local agencies. On one hand, there's the savings to the public/tax payer; on the other hand, there's the perception of safety and the anti-gun movement to destroy them.
 
I put my Sig against your Tupperware gun any day
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I love my Sig firearms and probably carry my Sig almost as much as my Glock, however, when it comes to durability and reliability Glocks have beat Sigs in several different trials. Keep in mind both the Seals and FBI have used Sigs a lot. They are both now using Glocks instead of Sigs. Cost, I am sure, is a factor, but SPECWAR units will choose durability over cost every time.
 
Yep...I owned blocks.just don't like them..got say they work..read the Glock book you be amazed how much it costs to make one..Gaston said you sell it cheap which it costs to make no one buy it...read the book.. Sig cost 300 to 400 for them make or more why there more and better gun

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Gaston said you sell it cheap which it costs to make no one buy it
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Can someone please translate this sig-person speech for me?

Is you really trying to say no one buys Glocks?

Have you ever been to a range?
 
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Nonsense.
I have Glock subcompacts, compacts, full size and large frame.......all "line up" and all feel perfectly fine.
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Please take another look at them.
Unless you have magic fingers they are not going to line up with with the groves on every size Glock.

The cool thing is that, for me the groves work well even if they don't line up perfectly.
 
Well you can have your Tupperwares see what lasts
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'

Chuck Taylor wrote about his 270,000 round G17 in the 2004 Glock Annual. I would think it's a little higher by now.

I promise I wont wear any of my Glocks out.

I understand loyalty, I understand pride of ownership, but next time you go to a training course (you do go to training courses don't you?) take a look down the line. Count the number and type of each pistol. There is a reason you will consistently see Glocks on every line. They work...

In the last handgun course I shot we used a little under 500 rounds on day one. My Glock 19 never missed a beat.
 
45_auto said:
Can someone please translate this sig-person speech for me?

Is you really trying to say no one buys Glocks?

Have you ever been to a range?
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It's a Sig thing,,,,yes been range more than you,,have a nice night


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Nonsense.
I have Glock subcompacts, compacts, full size and large frame.......all "line up" and all feel perfectly fine.
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Please take another look at them.
Unless you have magic fingers they are not going to line up with with the groves on every size Glock.
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I did, they do, and nothing magical .;)
 
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Well you can have your Tupperwares see what lasts

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I'm not a fan of Glock ergonomics, but you are deluding yourself if you think an alloy framed Sig like a P226 can withstand the round count of a polymer framed Glock. The Sig frame will probably begin to exhibit cracking well before the Glock will show any sort of frame damage. There are Glocks out there with 300K round counts but I doubt very seriously than any Sig has gotten close to that number without a frame repair..

As a practical matter few civilians are going to shoot enough rounds to wear out either.
 
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