FBI Selects Glock. What model?

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At 300K rounds any firearm will have had a whole slew of parts replaced. If by firearm all you mean is the frame, then yes there are Glocks out there potentially with those kind of round counts. However the barrels have been replaced, recoil springs, extractors, ejectors, small springs, the slide, probably some stuff I forgot.

For example the late Todd Louis Green tested a Gen 4 G17 and retired the pistol at "only" 71,260 rounds due the slide being damaged from erosion of the breech face. He also had parts breakages and plenty of stoppages. Ironically the ignorant masses who hate "tupperware" guns always kvetch about the polymer frame, while it is much more likely that the steel parts that actually still take all the stress are most likely to fail. Glock uses re-sulfurized steel for their slides, because it is easier and cheaper to machine. Salt bath nitriding it then makes it's surface hardness durable enough, but it is a compromise. A harder tougher steel can last longer particularly when it too is salt bath nitrided, but it would drive costs up to gain a level of durability even the most hard core users will seldom need. Heckler and Koch uses harder tougher steels for example and it is reflected in the cost of their pistols, while it does make for more durability of the steel parts fact is either brand will digest enough ammo that if the cost is tallied would have paid for a decent used car before either one fails.

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Both guns are great,enjoy your Glock,me my SIG's,and read Gaston's book

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Hope FBI made a good choice hope it a 17 or 19... made for the nine mm...You all have a nice day.Im gone for good


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Please take another look at them.

Unless you have magic fingers they are not going to line up with with the groves on every size Glock.



The cool thing is that, for me the groves work well even if they don't line up perfectly.


Get this, fingers move. Not only do they move, they can have more than one comfortable position. I can shoot a Glock of any size(though I only own one) and have it be very comfortable. If the FBI doesn't want the grooves, good for them, but it's a positive selling point for many.
 
Who ever sells the ammo has the potential to make lots of money!

I will bet on the 124g Hollow Points.

I personally love the finger groves, the one I am wearing at this minute, a gen 4 ppyXXX, the Slide is like the day I got it, gleaming black.

I wonder will they listen to the more gunny FBI agents, for add on's like night sights, extended slide locks, G17 magazines for spare, even in the case of G19 carried Pistols.
 
Get this, fingers move. Not only do they move, they can have more than one comfortable position.

if there isn't enough room between the trigger guard and first groove? What ya gonna do then? I.e. g19 vs. 17/22 frame
 
Get this, fingers move. Not only do they move, they can have more than one comfortable position. I can shoot a Glock of any size(though I only own one) and have it be very comfortable. If the FBI doesn't want the grooves, good for them, but it's a positive selling point for many.
My fingers are wider than the finger grooves on any Glock I've handled. Moving them around isn't going to change that. Wearing gloves in cold weather makes this even worse.

I'm sure that the finger grooves on Glocks work for a lot of people but the simple DON'T work for others.

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My fingers are wider than the finger grooves on any Glock I've handled. Moving them around isn't going to change that. Wearing gloves in cold weather makes this even worse.

I'm sure that the finger grooves on Glocks work for a lot of people but the simple DON'T work for others.

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I hear people say that also, but coming from a 6'6" 385 lb guy with gorilla hands, somehow I still manage.

This is once again where it's great to be an American. You simply don't buy one.
 
Glock finger grooves are not one size fits all; that's one of the reasons I have a 17 and not a 19. So I understand why some folks would rather not have them. But as a taxpayer, I wonder how much it's costing me to have Glock design and build a new frame specifically for the FBI rather than the Bureau just buying off the shelf like everyone else.
 
I hear people say that also, but coming from a 6'6" 385 lb guy with gorilla hands, somehow I still manage.
Im glad they work for you. I "manage" just fine, too. That doesn't mean I would not prefer the guns without finger grooves.

This is once again where it's great to be an American. You simply don't buy one.
What, as an "American" my only options are to blindly accept whatever I'm presented with or shut up and move along? I'm not saying the grooves ruin the gun. I'm not going to hold my breath or stamp my feet until Glock changes their design. I'm not even saying that people who like the grooves are wrong. I'm just expressing my opinion that the gun would be better (for me) without them.

Personally I own a Gen2 Glock 17 and 19 and 21, all without grooves. The only "grooved" Glock I own is my G36 and I own that because (for me) the many positives of the gun off set the negative of the finger grooves. That doesn't mean I have to like it or wouldn't prefer the gun without them.



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FBI is going with 147 gr G2...
I have carried 147g Win. Ranger T. Stamped on the box, Law Enforcement Ammo.
For 10 years at least. It is extremely accurate, performs well in all the tests.
But the original Nato weight, is I believe, 124g? So the FBI staying there might be a way they would go?
We will just have to wait and see.
 
Regarding Post 94, some of the ammo used in the testing/evaluation was Speer Gold Dot G2 in 147gr (#954227). Also, from the soliciation's M.3.6:

"Unless otherwise noted, all ammunition used for accuracy and endurance testing shall be FBI service and training ammunition as follows:
Service: Speer Cartridge #54227 147 gr. Gold Dot G2 (Vista Outdoors is offering this ammunition commercially as product code 954227). 16
Training: Speer Cartridge #53685 115 gr. TMJ
Training Reduced Lead: Speer Cartridge #53690 115 gr. TMJ Cleanfire Frangible: Hornady #90229 100 gr. Frangible"


The FBI or any other agency buying from this contract could use or change its 9mm ammo over time for all we know. It shouldn't be implied that 124gr ammo is somehow bad or inferior, it's just not being used as the ammo used in this evaluation/solicitation.
 
Watched a test, of the 147g G2, not impressed, the Ranger T, much the more consistent in expansion, and depth of penetration in the gel.

And again I have been carrying that same Ranger T in 147g weight for years.
 
FBI is going with 147 gr G2...
So basically they are going BACK to the old FBI .38 Spl. load.

Around 158 grains (147) and around 900 fps. Oh hum.

But at least instead of 6 shots they have 15 or so.

Just hope they don't go full New York and get that awful NY-2 trigger. Never go full New York!

Deaf
 
Deaf,
How did they get away with that dreadful NY trigger? Who picked it?

Any firearms Instructor knows the trigger is the major factor in precision shots fired, Bullseye competition, to combat shooting? Glock at 5.5lbs, is good enough, right out of the box.
 
I think the G(whatever) would be PERFECT for the agency that:
  • brought verve and panache to enforcement of the 18th Amendment
  • protected and served Whitey Bulger
  • executed Vicky Weaver
  • brought down the nefarious Martha Stewart
  • let Hillary skate
 
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