Sig Sauer p365 Massive Headaches

I carry a number of small EDC guns, I won't keep any gun that has problems, all have proven to me to be totally reliable, S&W Shield 2.0 green laser 9mm, Walther PPS M2 , Glock 43 and 43X, Springfield Armory XDs 9mm, and 911, Sig P938 and P365, and Kahr PM9...there are too many great guns out there, I like all of mine and use them all, some more than others, but I won't limit myself to just one gun, but if I had to, I would use the gun that I shoot the best and feels good in hand and is reliable...IMHO use what you like the best..

I handled a P365 yesterday at Cabela's, of course they won't take the trigger lock off. It is a smaller gun than I normally prefer to carry but I can understand why some people like them. I think I'll buy one, run a few thousand rounds through it and keep track of the malfunctions, problems or the lack of either.

It's amazing how many thread's there are on numerous forums about the problems with the 365. Way too much money and too many issues for me to even consider one. My Walther's, Rugers, Springfield, Taurus, Glock have never had any of these problems. No 365 for me.

jonb32248 said:

It's amazing how many thread's there are on numerous forums about the problems with the 365. Way too much money and too many issues for me to even consider one. My Walther's, Rugers, Springfield, Taurus, Glock have never had any of these problems. No 365 for me.

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I mostly agree and have no real need for another carry gun. Sound like many have no complaints about it while others have had some issues. It also seems that, like many things these days, a small but noisy few love to love it or love to hate it simply because Sig is or isn't their favorite team.
If I can buy one for $500+/-, run a few thousand rounds through it then sell it for $350-$400 it isn't an expensive experiment. I won't sell it though, I'll either like it and carry it or hang it on a peg in the safe.

I usually carry an XDE in 9mm. I have recently bought a Taurus Protector 357 in FDE. Have been out twice this week and it shoots just fine in 38 but will go to the 357 soon. Nice gun and shoots very good. Got the Taurus after sending my PPSM2 to my son in NYS, another story in it's self.

I get a good laugh when I read that that the guns "Are Plagued with issues". Really a Plague? Like the Bubonic Plague? Man ya just got to love the internet.

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Lol, the gun had some minor issues and the internet goes crazy. It seems to never stop. I shot the gun with a number of friends and put over a thousand rounds through the gun. It is a fantastic gun and we had no issues other than the gun has a grip that may not be suited for all. Yes, riding the slide for some folks with larger hands may be a issue, or some did not like the Take down lever. No, not my choice, but that is just general preference. NO the gun is NOT Plagued with issues.

These guys swear the 365 is Plagued!

Fine Figure of a Man said:

I handled a P365 yesterday at Cabela's, of course they won't take the trigger lock off. It is a smaller gun than I normally prefer to carry but I can understand why some people like them. I think I'll buy one, run a few thousand rounds through it and keep track of the malfunctions, problems or the lack of either.

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Buy the 12 round mag; it really helps gripping the gun better.

jonb32248 said:

It's amazing how many thread's there are on numerous forums about the problems with the 365. Way too much money and too many issues for me to even consider one. My Walther's, Rugers, Springfield, Taurus, Glock have never had any of these problems. No 365 for me.

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MY Sig has been flawless; every Ruger I have had has had issues (don't even get me started on their Red Label Shotguns). Maybe you don't hear too many good things because those of us that have them are busy shooting them all the time.......

Huntolive said:

Sig Sauer is a brand I will never try again based on their assinine and cocky customer service. Had they show n any care I'd feel differently. I don't know why anyone would want to waste 1000 rounds on experiments w one.
Ruger has always been great and reliable.

I'm considering a new in box first gen mp shield 9. What other good 9 options r there w barrel Shorter than 3.5"?

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IT'S BACK!

Lol, sent this SR22 back two times already and guess what Amigo? The Issue is back again. Yep, lovely, just lovely.



Had this happen to my LCR. Customer service fixed it, and it started to happen again. One rep said it was my fault because I was using Balllistol or some other product. I finally got them to fix it again and never had a problem.If I had not been persistent they this is the gun I would own today.
I went through about 4 LCP's that just keep falling apart.



Look, I am not bashing Ruger, all in all, I have had great customer serive, but I am not going on the Internet and telling folks they or any gun manufacturer is not without issues or possible coming up against a bad customer service rep. It happens.

Huntolive said:

Sig Sauer is a brand I will never try again based on their assinine and cocky customer service. Had they show n any care I'd feel differently. I don't know why anyone would want to waste 1000 rounds on experiments w one.
Ruger has always been great and reliable.

I'm considering a new in box first gen mp shield 9. What other good 9 options r there w barrel Shorter than 3.5"?

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And ya see, our views are exactly opposite.

Huntolive said:

I don't know why anyone would want to waste 1000 rounds on experiments w one.

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Because I enjoy shooting, I go through thousands of rounds a year and I have never wasted a round in my entire life.

Huntolive said:

Ruger has always been great and reliable.

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Agreed, I have several.

Huntolive said:

I'm considering a new in box first gen mp shield 9. What other good 9 options r there w barrel Shorter than 3.5"?

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You could try a Sig P365

A friend of mine loves his. It's not all that great, IMHO, but I have shot and owned much worse guns over the years. He hasn't had any issues with it, unlike his previous carry gun, a Glock 26, a very touchy gun about ammo, and it "limpwristed" past the point of tolerance for him and me both. The Sig doesn't limpwrist at all.

I really like my Remington R51, but a slightly smaller gun with 4 more rounds is a winner. I have had the Sig P365 for about a month now, and have put around 500 rounds through it without a hiccup. I like it.

Huntolive said:

Sounds like a design flaw.

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Here’s the thing Huntolive. Your problems with the 365 (firing pin issues not withstanding) are pretty common complaints with all small guns. And if you don’t trust it any more, fine, dump it. But what are you gonna do when you pick up a that other small 9 you have been thinking about and find out that your fingers hit the slide catch on that pistol too? There is only so much room on any small gun to fit all the controls. Me, with small guns (all small guns) I generally just grab um, and grip um with one hand. If I use a support hand it goes over my strong hand, like a revolver grip. That works for me. It keeps my short fat fingers from landing on the controls and rubbing on the slides. I can’t even use a thumbs forward grip on my G43X if I want the slide to lock open on the last round. You have to find out what works for you. But the idea that the same grip will work on a 365 and an XDM, I just don’t know what to say about that.

jonb32248 said:

It's amazing how many thread's there are on numerous forums about the problems with the 365. Way too much money and too many issues for me to even consider one. My Walther's, Rugers, Springfield, Taurus, Glock have never had any of these problems. No 365 for me.

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Sig re-invented the concept of a tiny gun with a huge capacity. It caught most manufacturers with their pants at their knees. They have patents in place that will cause the competition to be delayed in their copy of Sig's gun.
The minute the P356 was introduced Al Gores internet was full of people with a large variety of problems and complaints with this gun. Following a lot of forums, it seemed like there were more complaints than actual guns out in customers hands. Then you have the (pick your brand) fanboys that could not type fast enough bashing the P365.
I am convinced many of these were nothing more than "non issues" either put out by other manufacturers or their fanboys to discredit Sig.

At this point in time, Sig has hundreds or thousands of these beauties out in the marketplace and the percentage of issues are no more than the Glock, S&W, Ruger, or Springfield recalls.

As far as Sig Service, I can only speak for my local LGS and those at our range that have had occasional contact (320, 938) and Sig has been polite and prompt with their response and performance. Will you ever hear that from someone who hates SIG? Clearly not. they would rather complain in a public forum.
Is this gun for everyone? Probably not. That's why there are so many great options out there.

BTW, this post could be repeated with the substitution of the word Glock in place of Sig.

For the OP:

I have a Taurus G2. The trigger is a little weird, but it's been completely reliable for the year or two that I've had it. It's worth the extra $20 or so to get the one with the stainless slide. The bluing doesn't last well on them.

My Glock 26 is so close in size to the Taurus that they can use the same holsters. I slightly prefer it to the Taurus because its trigger feels more "normal" to me.

I like my Glock 43, also. However, it's a bit too big to be a true pocket gun, and if I'm going to have it on my belt, I might as well carry the G26. My friend shot my G43 and liked it so much that he bought one for himself.

rskent said:

Here’s the thing Huntolive. Your problems with the 365 (firing pin issues not withstanding) are pretty common complaints with all small guns. And if you don’t trust it any more, fine, dump it. But what are you gonna do when you pick up a that other small 9 you have been thinking about and find out that your fingers hit the slide catch on that pistol too? There is only so much room on any small gun to fit all the controls. Me, with small guns (all small guns) I generally just grab um, and grip um with one hand. If I use a support hand it goes over my strong hand, like a revolver grip. That works for me. It keeps my short fat fingers from landing on the controls and rubbing on the slides. I can’t even use a thumbs forward grip on my G43X if I want the slide to lock open on the last round. You have to find out what works for you. But the idea that the same grip will work on a 365 and an XDM, I just don’t know what to say about that.
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rskent said:

Here’s the thing Huntolive. Your problems with the 365 (firing pin issues not withstanding) are pretty common complaints with all small guns. And if you don’t trust it any more, fine, dump it. But what are you gonna do when you pick up a that other small 9 you have been thinking about and find out that your fingers hit the slide catch on that pistol too? There is only so much room on any small gun to fit all the controls. Me, with small guns (all small guns) I generally just grab um, and grip um with one hand. If I use a support hand it goes over my strong hand, like a revolver grip. That works for me. It keeps my short fat fingers from landing on the controls and rubbing on the slides. I can’t even use a thumbs forward grip on my G43X if I want the slide to lock open on the last round. You have to find out what works for you. But the idea that the same grip will work on a 365 and an XDM, I just don’t know what to say about that.
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If it does not fit find one that does. Pretty simple. And lf like myself, I do not even have a slide lock. Don't need one, and after shooting without, would not care if all my guns did not have one.

Jeb Stuart said:

If it does not fit find one that does. Pretty simple.

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Yup!

I finally brought my p365 home Friday. I've not gotten time to go to my actual range but I stepped in the backyard and fired a few mags through it.

For such a small grip it wasn't overly snappy. Functioned 100% so far. The mags are hard to load like everyone has said but doable. I don't have my 12rnd mag yet but the 10rnd with ext seemed fine in my hand.

My one major complaint is POI is 3" low of POA at <10yds. I tried some bulk 115gr Federal and some 150gr HST and both were very low. Maybe i can find some HST or Gold Dot to impact closer to POA.

There is very little material to remove from the front sight plus with a 3 dot style it wouldn't really help so I'll probably have to order aftermarket sights/front sight.

Anyone dealt with this that has any advise?

TN Outlaw said:

My one major complaint is POI is 3" low of POA at <10yds.

Anyone dealt with this that has any advise?

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It could depend on what sight picture you're expecting.

https://pistol-training.com/archives/1361

I use what some call a 6:00 hold, I call it POA/POI. With the sights aligned my POI should theoretically land just a fuzz above my sight. That way I never cover up what I'm aiming at. (Very important to me) When I say I aim just under my intended target, I mean barely under. Pretty much touching the bottom of my impact with my front sight preferably.

With this aim my highest impact was 3" low of bullseye. The group was 3"-4" low. I can deal with it hitting high or left/right. I could drift the sight for left/right and I can use a true 6:00 hold or hold low if it shoots high but low, I cant live with it.

I have to figure something out?

TN Outlaw said:

I use what some call a 6:00 hold, I

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From the linked article...

Personally, I’ve been using #3 (which I’ve always called driving the dot) for a decade. When I worked at SIG, the SIG Academy also taught this as an alternative for fast short-range work;

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Chances are good, by SIG's sight design, you are probably aiming low and getting low hits. SIG probably sells different sights to change the point of impact, but as they come from the factory, they probably intend you to cover the thing you want to hit with the sight dots.

I'm not a particular fan of that, but I think that's the way they make them.