Is SIG not making .40 cal pistols anymore?

Grayrock said:

Went to the SIG website to do a little window shopping and I could not find any pistols in .40 cal. I searched and found barrels and magazines, but no guns. Am I just not searching the right way or have they discontinued them?

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Yep 40 is taking a nap. Industry stop caliber production when sale slow. Then wait for people to get thirsty again. Then start over again.

Grayrock said:

Went to the SIG website to do a little window shopping and I could not find any pistols in .40 cal. I searched and found barrels and magazines, but no guns. Am I just not searching the right way or have they discontinued them?

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Surprising, but not. Seems like the focus is on 9s, 380s, 22LRs, and some 45s.
I think if you buy a P320 FCU, you can order most cartridge kits for 40 and 357 SIG.

Nines have overwhelmed the pistol market, in use and in cost. It's a caliber I've avoided; didn't need to deal with another.
Yeah, I know there are true believers out there. A buddy from the Club loves it, and casts his own bullets.
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Grayrock said:

Went to the SIG website to do a little window shopping and I could not find any pistols in .40 cal. I searched and found barrels and magazines, but no guns. Am I just not searching the right way or have they discontinued them?

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Here's a police trade-in P226 in 40 S&W.
https://www.aimsurplus.com/products/leo-trade-in-sig-sauer-p226-dak-40s-w-handgun

People frequently post about the demise of .40 S&W yet there are way too many enthusiasts already heavily invested for it to go away. There are millions of firearms in that caliber floating around. There will eventually be more.

Blue Jays said:

People frequently post about the demise of .40 S&W yet there are way too many enthusiasts already heavily invested for it to go away. There are millions of firearms in that caliber floating around. There will eventually be more.

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I’m proud to own three .40’s to be part of that millions floating around.

For years I only had one .40 pistol (CZ 40B). Once those police trade in started flooding the market I picked up two Sig P229s (one DAK and one DA/SA) plus a P226 for very reasonable prices. The P229 DAK is probably my favorite (and most carried) 40 pistol I currently own.

Just get a 10mm. Never got into .40s and never really wanted to. Talk about a comeback, 10mm is on the rise again...

Blue Jays said:

People frequently post about the demise of .40 S&W yet there are way too many enthusiasts already heavily invested for it to go away. There are millions of firearms in that caliber floating around. There will eventually be more.

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True.

I shoot it in my Smith 610.

It tends to be available during ammo shortages.

And as long as 9mm Mak and 7.62 mm Nagant are being commercially produced and available, .40 S&W isn’t going anywhere.

Blue Jays said:

People frequently post about the demise of .40 S&W yet there are way too many enthusiasts already heavily invested for it to go away. There are millions of firearms in that caliber floating around. There will eventually be more.

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Several years ago, before the FBI went back to the 9, I considered getting out of the 2 40s I had. But the cartridge has put in more roots these days. I have 2 more 40s and a casting mold. Plus 2 of them have 357 SIG barrels.

I agree, nationally, too many out there to fade away any time soon.

I own a lot of pistols. I don't own a single .40 and won't buy one. I suspect I am not alone in that regard.

Looks like SIG also stopped making anything in 357SIG; that is pretty telling on that round.

Few rounds really ever go away though. 40 won't, too many of them out there.

I guess pretty much anything with more recoil than 9mm is uncontrollable and painful in the dainty hands of the modern shooter.

My first semi auto handgun was a 40S&W and even to this day nearly all my semi autos are 40S&W. I don't own a 9mm...

Few years back I bought a Sig Red Box 229 .40sw police trade in. Was told they were completely refurbished. Awesome pistol, has never failed. Got an extra .357sig barrel and it has also run flawlessly. I actually prefer the 357sig.

Me too; I'll probably always have a soft spot in my heart for this cartridge.

mcb said:

My first semi auto handgun was a 40S&W

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Ammunition prices tend to dictate what is the most popular caliber and 9x19 is winning that battle. Police departments and the general public have all realized that 40 S&W only offers a slight, if any, advantage over 9x19.

Years ago, I had a steady flow of free 40 brass from the local departments that were carrying guns chambered for it. With a local source of 40 bullets, the cost to reload was $80/k. Since that time most of the departments have switched to 9x19 so I rarely shoot it anymore.

I own several 40s&w firearms. It's my favorite caliber, and it's many other's favorite caliber as well. It's not going anywhere. It's a matter of time before the powers that be convince the followers and steeple that 40s&w is cool again. Right now they've been convinced to hate 40s&w and to buy 10mm instead.

They will complain that 40s&w is too snappy, but then will rave about 10mm which is typically almost always loaded to be 40s&w in a 10mm cartilage in the overwhelming majority of commercial self-defense ammo. Even for the small percentage of reloaders and boutique commercial loads, they will be even more snappy than 40s&w, yet no one whines and complains about recoil when threads and the topic comes up (funny how that works). They only complain about it in 40s&w because they're followers who are regurgitating talking points. Buy a G26, G19, or G17 sized handgun in 10mm to carry for self-defense and everyone applauds and nods their heads in approvement. Mention 40s&w, and everyone will pontificate with contempt about how much they dislike or will never buy 40s&w when 10mm is just as or more "snappy" than 40s&w, will have follow up shots that are simular or worse than 40s&w, but will cost more per round than 40s&w, be in a larger diameter gun than 40s&w, and basically have all the same cons and non of the pros vs 40s&w.

There are millions of 40s&w handguns still in circulation. There are A LOT of people who still love the round. There will always be ammo for it.

There are a few reasons to own a 40. During that pandemic ammo panic, 40 S&W ammo was available at times when 9mm and 45 were not. In a crisis, having a 40 may mean the difference between finding ammo or not.

Also, although the improved performance of hollowpoints over the past few years is well known, and brings 9mm performance up to 40 S&W performance, the problem is that the same improved technology has also probably bumped up 40 S&W performance as well. Though it is not well studied, I suspect a 40 S&W Federal HST would likely outperform a 9mm Federal HST. A rising tide floats all boats.

Finally, if you ever were to not have access to any of the more modern hollowpoints, and were back to hardball or first generation hollowpoints, I think 40 would have an edge over 9mm.

All that said, I only own one 40 caliber handgun, and while I am glad I have it for the above reasons, really am not in the market for others.

If I could get a Glock 48 in 40S&W with a RDS and light rail that would have the potential of moving me strictly into 40s&w for street and 10mm for woods. Would be nice to consolidate calibers that way for reloading.

Balrog said:

There are a few reasons to own a 40. During that pandemic ammo panic, 40 S&W ammo was available at times when 9mm and 45 were not. In a crisis, having a 40 may mean the difference between finding ammo or not.

Also, although the improved performance of hollowpoints over the past few years is well known, and brings 9mm performance up to 40 S&W performance, the problem is that the same improved technology has also probably bumped up 40 S&W performance as well. Though it is not well studied, I suspect a 40 S&W Federal HST would likely outperform a 9mm Federal HST. A rising tide floats all boats.

Finally, if you ever were to not have access to any of the more modern hollowpoints, and were back to hardball or first generation hollowpoints, I think 40 would have an edge over 9mm.

All that said, I only own one 40 caliber handgun, and while I am glad I have it for the above reasons, really am not in the market for others.

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Yes, the 9mm 124gr Federal HST has 18.3" penetration, .61" diameter, and 1135 muzzle velocity out of a 3.5" barrel which is the middle ground between the popular 3" a barrels most carry.

The 40s&w Federal HST is pushing a 180gr bullet: 18.5" penetration, .72" diameter, and 964 muzzle velocity out of a 3.4" barrel of a G27. The 40s&w round will be better at penetrating intermediate barrels and still preforming well after the fact once it reaches its target.

40S&W would have a hard sell for 90%+ of the CCW shooters out there when chambered in small compact guns.

The S&W Shield in 40s&w (first gen) took a certain shooter to desire to carry it. It was my first carry gun and was snappy for sure, but not uncontrollable or even unpleasant just a pretty big difference when shooting 180’s out of there compared to 124gr 9mm. I landed on shooting 165gr loads out of mine and felt that was a great fit for a Shield size pistol.

But as I said above a G48 size would get my wallet out with the features mentioned.

HKGuns said:

I own a lot of pistols. I don't own a single .40 and won't buy one. I suspect I am not alone in that regard.

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I'm sure that you're not alone. That's what makes gun ownership so good in (most places) this country. There are plenty of cartridge options with freedom to chose.