Win 244 for 9mm
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936 fps avg not 1036, my bad. Read the wrong load.I went out today to give sport pistol another go and same bad accuracy from 4 different pistols! My be86 loads were also my gauge to see if it was me and they were all within 1.75” at 20 yds. I think I also found the spot for win244 with 135 gr RMR rn fmj. Tested 3.6,3.7, and 3.8 gr at 1.145 and they were great! 3.6 gr at 20 yds was .75” groups and this was 5 different strings with a 1036 fps avg and 8 sd avg! Clean as can be too, cases were perfect.
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Curious, a bit off topic, but I use a lot of ASP and don’t see that much difference in precision among several powders like TG, ASP, N320. They all are pretty fast and this is to make minor PF. I run either Blue 147s or RMR MW 147 out of a P320 Legion X5, yes, with a dot. I do wish I had a ransom rest to really test with.
Charlie98
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It's very likely I just haven't struck the right combo with, for example, SportPistol. I don't like SportPistol enough to dive into full bore load development, so I'm likely missing some potential. FWIW, my 147grn TiteGroup loads weren't that accurate, either... not as bad as SportPistol, but not as good as Unique, or even BE-86. My initial thought is the 147grn bullet is too heavy for the fast powders like TiteGroup and SportPistol... a slower powder, like Unique or BE-86, would likely work better in a standard barrel length. The loads I have with SportPistol and the 147's was a thrown-together load... something to burn up those particular components.... I'm done with both the 147's, and SportPistol... choosing to move on to a more standard 124grn bullet.
My most accurate load for a 147gr bullet, (RMR HMW) is 3.1gr of VV N310...which isn't a slow powder at all
My favored load for the RMR 124gr Matchwinners is 3.6gr of Sport Pistol
Both of the above loads are for competition and target 130PF (bullet weight (grs) multiplied by velocity (FPS) divided by 1000)
Charlie98
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...and, you are in luck! I will leave all that Sport Pistol for you, along with those 147grn bullets. 
It's very likely yours and my usage is different... SportPistol did NOT work well for me, primarily with my short-barreled Kahrs. I must admit, I was surprised that it didn't work better in the HiPower... but that's just what happened.
I'm fixing to go shooting Sunday... I still have 200 of those 147grn/SportPistol handloads... I'll give it a go, again, and post my results.
It's very likely yours and my usage is different... SportPistol did NOT work well for me, primarily with my short-barreled Kahrs. I must admit, I was surprised that it didn't work better in the HiPower... but that's just what happened.
I'm fixing to go shooting Sunday... I still have 200 of those 147grn/SportPistol handloads... I'll give it a go, again, and post my results.
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My Hi-Powers and CZ’s have all had problems with long ogive bullets, regardless of weight. But those were all older guns, too. My current Hungarian Hi-Power is also cut like the old Belgian P-35’s and it favors shorter, RN profiles....and, you are in luck! I will leave all that Sport Pistol for you, along with those 147grn bullets.
It's very likely yours and my usage is different... SportPistol did NOT work well for me, primarily with my short-barreled Kahrs. I must admit, I was surprised that it didn't work better in the HiPower... but that's just what happened.
I'm fixing to go shooting Sunday... I still have 200 of those 147grn/SportPistol handloads... I'll give it a go, again, and post my results.
LV Gun
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I love W244 I use it in 9mm , 38 super, 40 S&W and 45auto it performs flawlessly in these calibers . I started using it when I ran out of 700X and couldn’t find any but my LGS had quite a bit of W244 so I decided to try it. I have not tried it in 357 or 44 magnum even though there is data for them. I am staying with it and will not go back to 700X . I am thinking of try WST in 45 auto though.
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Over the holidays, I’ve gotten a chance to work with WC244 with the chronograph and found something interesting about hodgdons load data, it’s perfectly in the sweet spot for the powder! I loaded a ladder with RMR 124 gr fmj to hodgdons plated data from 4.0 gr to 4.5gr and also included .1 over the max book to 4.6 but with fmj so not abnormal to assume it would be safe. All rounds were loaded to a oal of 1.125 with once fired xtreme brass and servicios & aventuras small pistol primers and shot through a palmetto dagger s 4.5”(g 19 clone with g17 barrel length), measured with a competition electronics pro chrono dlx.
Temp= 62 f
Rh= 22%
Bp= 30 in hg
25 shot strings for each charge
4.0 gr = 1042 fps es 68 sd 25 pf 129
4.1 gr = 1047 fps es 10 sd 4 pf 129
4.2 gr = 1068 fps es 29 sd 11 pf 132
4.3 gr = 1080 fps es 31 sd 11 pf 133
4.4 gr = 1101 fps es 31 sd 10 pf 136
4.5 gr = 1116 fps es 32 sd 10 pf 138
And then these perfectly linear numbers fell apart except 4.0 which I dunno what happened there.
4.6 gr = 1162 es 64 sd 28 pf 144
From 4.1 to 4.5 had extremely excellent accuracy with 4.1 being the best which doesn’t always coincide with low es and sd numbers but it sure does with this powder and 124 gr fmj. This was a relatively large sample size so probably pretty accurate numbers here. It was just as clean and as accurate as my vv n320 loads( no scorched cases like previous tests and lower charges)and will be buying a 8 lb of this stuff! For the price and with numbers like this, it’s as good as 231 and close to n320 but cheaper than both by far! Will be testing with 135 gr RMR fmj rn next, will update soon. Happy new years all!
Temp= 62 f
Rh= 22%
Bp= 30 in hg
25 shot strings for each charge
4.0 gr = 1042 fps es 68 sd 25 pf 129
4.1 gr = 1047 fps es 10 sd 4 pf 129
4.2 gr = 1068 fps es 29 sd 11 pf 132
4.3 gr = 1080 fps es 31 sd 11 pf 133
4.4 gr = 1101 fps es 31 sd 10 pf 136
4.5 gr = 1116 fps es 32 sd 10 pf 138
And then these perfectly linear numbers fell apart except 4.0 which I dunno what happened there.
4.6 gr = 1162 es 64 sd 28 pf 144
From 4.1 to 4.5 had extremely excellent accuracy with 4.1 being the best which doesn’t always coincide with low es and sd numbers but it sure does with this powder and 124 gr fmj. This was a relatively large sample size so probably pretty accurate numbers here. It was just as clean and as accurate as my vv n320 loads( no scorched cases like previous tests and lower charges)and will be buying a 8 lb of this stuff! For the price and with numbers like this, it’s as good as 231 and close to n320 but cheaper than both by far! Will be testing with 135 gr RMR fmj rn next, will update soon. Happy new years all!
LV Gun
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I knew you would like it I am going to try it in 357 and 44 magnum just to see how it works. I really need to get a chronograph though.
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Have you tried it with 45 auto yet? I’ve only tried max charge vs 231 max charge and 244 was more accurate, cleaner, more velocity, ect. I’ll do a full work up with 45 auto and post my chronograph results soon. Yes, this stuff rivals n320 in my opinion and, for me, way better than sport pistol. I know some sport pistol fans will disagree but that’s ok if it works for them. The consistency is what I like most, the chronograph doesn’t lie,lol!
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Yes, I have tried it in 45. I did a ladder from starting load to max. I found starting to middle is about perfect at least for me in the guns I have, I have tried and n320 along with sport pistol but I like W244 better and yes the consistency of the charges is excellent. I also tried it in 40 with a 140 grain LFP in my XD unbelievably accurate.
