Life expectancy of 38spl brass

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After reloading Remington 38spl brass at least 8-10 times I'm starting to see a split case now and then probably one out of 600. I usually notice it when seating a bullet it seats too easily and it's always traveling from the mouth end of the case. I know over flaring cases can shorten brass life over time. Is there a point at which you retire your brass or just try to catch the split ones while prepping? I usually load to approaching 38+P levels keeping it 4.3 HP-38 with Hodgdon data listing 4.6 as +P for jacketed bullets.
 
Flare and crimp,repeat. Certainly not preasure. What's it hurt to just pitch the damaged ones. Add another coffee can of brass to your rotation. That's how my .357 reloading goes. Manual indexing causes more hands on than progressive . Then progressive and bulk storage causes me to inspect less. Some how you just feel something just isn't right. TGIF or good morning. Just depends. Go Chiefs
 
Mouth and body splits is how .38Spl brass should die, so that's normal. As for cycles to failure, it's very dependent on the gap between your chamber and sizing die, and slightly dependent on pressure. If it's failing in 4 cycles, somethings probably too big or small.

And as you're handling the brass by the fistful, the splits will ring instead of clink, warning you to look closer.
 
Other than difficulty ejecting a split fired case from the cylinder is it dangerous to fire a split case if it gets past inspection? I prime single stage, by hand, on Lee classic 4 hole turret press as well as decap brass single stage so lots of opportunity to spot a split one.
 
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I shot a lot of 38 S&W Special cartridges. I competed in PPC, practiced at least 3 times a week and usually one match a week. Even with my Dillon 450, I was spending as much time reloading as I was shooting. I shot buckets of reloads. It got so I could hear the odd “tink” of a split case. With the 450, I hand fed each case so when I found one it was tossed into a scrap bucket and I kept going. Even setting your dies to minimum flare and no crimp, brass eventually gives up. If you are losing brass early, less than a dozen reloads, something is out of whack. It will take time readjusting dies but it is time well spent. With the popularity of 9mm, I doubt much of the 38 stuff is found on the ground.

Start with your flare die.

Kevin
 
Other than difficulty ejecting a split fired case from the cylinder is it dangerous to fire a split case if it gets past inspection?
A split case is not dangerous, in and of itself. In theory, if you could somehow load a cartridge with the bullet barely hanging on, then dump it out into the forcing cone, and leave it there to block the next round like a squib. . . but I'm not sure it's possible.
 
A split case is not dangerous, in and of itself. In theory, if you could somehow load a cartridge with the bullet barely hanging on, then dump it out into the forcing cone, and leave it there to block the next round like a squib. . . but I'm not sure it's possible.
Correct, in and of itself, a split case is harmless. But, it is useless to a shooter expecting any kind of accuracy. Toss them. Why puts around with theoretical crap? Scrap is scrap.

Kevin
 
Remington has the shortest lifespan of any of the 38 or 357 I load. It appears to be the thinnest. My crimp is what kills brass, but my ammo lives in a Marlin levergun so that's the cost of doing buisness.
 
Remington has the shortest lifespan of any of the 38 or 357 I load. It appears to be the thinnest. My crimp is what kills brass, but my ammo lives in a Marlin levergun so that's the cost of doing buisness.
Remington I use was the stuff Wal-Mart used to sell cheap. 130gr fmj. I was getting it for $13/250rnds just before they took it off the shelves here. I hoarded it. It is thin. I know immediately when I run a Perfecta case through my dies as it takes noticeably more effort on the lever.
 
Remington I use was the stuff Wal-Mart used to sell cheap. 130gr fmj. I was getting it for $13/250rnds just before they took it off the shelves here. I hoarded it. It is thin. I know immediately when I run a Perfecta case through my dies as it takes noticeably more effort on the lever.
I shoot a lot more 357, but my favorite range pickups are federal. I think they are as good as starline that I load for juniors Silhouette matches.
 
Correct, in and of itself, a split case is harmless. But, it is useless to a shooter expecting any kind of accuracy. Toss them. Why puts around with theoretical crap? Scrap is scrap.

Kevin
I wouldn't knowingly shoot a split case but good to know it's harmless if I did by accident. I've only been reloading for three years so still learning. I appreciate the input from the experienced members here.
 
I used predominately Starline brass loaded with WW571 and 130gr bullets to around 180PF and loaded them till I lost them, erased the head stamp or split the mouth of the case. They will hold up well. Not as well as good .45 brass but better than most folks expect.
 
For +P loads, might consider another brand of brass. I can pick out thin R-P brass going through my press without looking at the head stamp...
 
Remington I use was the stuff Wal-Mart used to sell cheap. 130gr fmj. I was getting it for $13/250rnds just before they took it off the shelves here. I hoarded it. It is thin. I know immediately when I run a Perfecta case through my dies as it takes noticeably more effort on the lever.
Absolutely! R-P is great for pressure - thin brass seals well - but lower lifespan. Remington and Winchester (W-W, not Olin milspec) are also my favorites for plinking for exactly that reason: I want a good seal even in the lower pressure ranges.

If it shoots well, use it till it splits.
 
When I was competing 1-2K rounds a week reused brass was the norm. For light WC/SWC loads your brass will last forever. An occasional case split here or there, maybe 4 a week on average. I was doing this for 28 or more years with range brass from the early 70's on. Some of my plated brass had the headstamps peened so that the nickel showed but was flat and there was no other plating on the casing. The all brass had peened off the headstamp on many of them. I still use the brass to this day. If you are loading +P or higher loads you might retire your brass when several start to crack.
 
I try to avoid R-P brass in .38Spl because the thinner case walls throw off my sizing and expanding.

Good lighting on your press helps spot split cases...either the line or light shinning through...I'm loading with my shell plate almost at eye level. I usually feel it at sizing, but if I miss it there the difference in pressure required always show up when seating the bullet.

When I find one, I usually just toss that case. If it came to the point where every 3rd or 4th case was splitting, I'd toss the lot
 
I try to avoid R-P brass in .38Spl because the thinner case walls throw off my sizing and expanding.
This isn’t an issue with a single stage press but either way it’s a good argument for sorting revolver brass. Maybe not by lots but at least by characteristics.

I have noticed some lots of W-W seem to have wider rims than other brands of brass so I sort them out, too.
 
I too shot PPC for decades. I’ve seen .38Spl brass go over 100 reloads and still be fine. Even cases with an incipient crack developed will still give another loading for short line practice. (3,7, and 15yds).

A fellow competitor who had access to the Mississippi Hwy Patrol training center range and permanently mounted Ransome rest did some testing comparing Precision Delta wadcutter reloads with mixed brass compared to New ammunition using essentially the same components.
From his Bobby Jones PPC revolver, he consistently got slightly better groups from the reloads, as they were crimped differently with slightly more bullet protruding beyond the case mouth to accommodate slightly different case lengths…
Probably not a statistical difference, but substantial difference in the price!

But my OCD said use the same lot# of everything!
And I never won a match shooting factory ammo.
I’ve got.38 and 9mm nickel plated brass that has the nickel plating worn off from tumble polishing that still shoots good.
 
I haven't shot a ton of 38's but I have in other larger calibers, 357,41,44, 45C, & 454. Before I married the gal I have spent the last 40yrs with, we were shooting 357, 41, and 44mag at the rate of several hundred rounds each a week. That continued for a year or so after we were married. These were top end loads for each caliber.

At the time I was using whatever brass was the cheapest because with the higher pressures it required heavier crimps and that led to fatigue and failures. I have had the occasional split mid case over the years but only rarely. I found quite by accident that when crimping what your mind says is good is usually more than is needed.

When I set up now for a new load, I will load a dozen rounds up, load 6 and fire 5, checking the length on the last one after each shot. If it moves, I adjust the die a bit more, maybe a 16th of a turn, as it doesn't take much in most cases. Once that is done I repeat until no more movement is noted. I know this sounds like a lot of extra effort, but in reality it only takes a few minutes. I have a small press that can be mounted on a bench and use that to get things set. Once set I can easily run a hundred or so rounds through it at the range or back at home.

If you cannot set up at the range then you can put some marks on the top of your crimping die to use for adjustment. Using a sharpie, you can mark it at 12, 3, 6 & 9, call them 1,2,3,4. Then go back and mark it in between for 1.5, 2.5, ect. . Then adjust it down until it is just taking the flare off the top rim of the case. That will be zero and you can mark the body to correspond with one of your other marks. I usually use the mark facing me as #1 and go from there. This way you can adjust the crimp in increments accordingly you can shoot them in order at the range. You will note that one set of rounds will shoot better than, even if only slightly, the others. That is your crimp setting.

Try this at 25yds using a rest and you will find your most accurate setting for that given load. If any bullets in the first set move any at all then stop and move on. I do not shoot competition, but i do hunt with my revolvers and have for the past 40'ish years. I put accuracy first and foremost with all of the loads I shoot and strive to get them there. this little drill has made a big difference in how well things have shot over the years, and it is something simple to do, but takes a little time. I can say that even running my 300gr 454 loads at 1600fps the crimp on the bullets even the cast lead is not really all that much. Just enough to hold the bullet still. The case tension should do most of the work. This is somewhat what I am referring to, the groups were shot offhand at 40yards through my friends revolver, he was having issues with getting the load to group. The group on the left was his initial crimp and the right were backed off about an 8th of a turn,
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I could have done better but with the wind and being unfamiliar with his Custom Shop 657 it is what it is.

I use Starline brass almost exclusively, but also have all other brands on hand as well. The brad really doesn't matter, the case tension and crimp do no matter which brand you use. That said, and as has been mentioned if your seeing split necks in your batch of cases, it is time to get new ones. A box of 500 from Starline will last a LONG time. I've been running my 41 cases for going on 8yrs now with probably a dozen or so loads top end loads on them and they still work just as well as they ever did. Same with the others, I generally get loos primer pockets or loose them in the grass or woods while hunting before they give up to splitting.
 
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After reloading Remington 38spl brass at least 8-10 times I'm starting to see a split case now and then probably one out of 600. I usually notice it when seating a bullet it seats too easily and it's always traveling from the mouth end of the case. I know over flaring cases can shorten brass life over time. Is there a point at which you retire your brass or just try to catch the split ones while prepping? I usually load to approaching 38+P levels keeping it 4.3 HP-38 with Hodgdon data listing 4.6 as +P for jacketed bullets.
I tried t o shoot a bunch of Sellier & Bellot .38 brass to failure once. I gave it up as a bad job. Can't remember the load or the number of reloads. That was in the days when powder was telatively inexpen$ive, tho. 🤢
 
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I'm another who competed with the .38 Special. I would order them a thousand pieces at a time, usually from Starline, and use them until mouth splits became regular. That usually was a couple of dozen light-to-midrange loads - I used lots of flare to preserve my soft lead wadcutters, which shortens case life. At any rate, occasional splits were common and normal, and I'm sure I occasionally loaded and shot one without noticing. Eventually, like popping popcorn, I'd go from occasional splits to frequent ones, and that was my cue to dump the whole lot and order a new one.
 
now that you know they are splitting you might want to do more QA before getting to seating. just to fish them out sooner if possible.
 
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