Agreed.
Indeed; the 1911 is essentially cheating. The instructor after looking at my target said, "Don't think you're going to get a discount for just using part of the target".My groups (which were really nothing to write home about) seemed to amaze the 'Glock kids' that comprised the rest of the class. One asked, "How do you shoot like that, man?" and the instructor (another Glock kid) asked if I was "you know, Secret Service or something" (honestly-it was insane.) I just explained that I was shooting a 1911, and it was essentially cheating.
So our Constitutional rights should be dependent on the small number of people who are idiots. Criminals already carry without permits or training. Again it is not some big problem that requires violating the 2nd Amendment.
Bad people travel in packs and no one has ever said "thank God I was carrying a low capacity pea-shooter!" As for idiots..... you can live in a free society with certain risks or you can live in a controlled society where you're disarmed, at the mercy of criminals, and idiots still are still. You can't legislate common sense or morality.
I'm fine with Constitutional carry. Having said that, though, I've seen applicants miss full-size human silhouette targets at 5 yards, and I wasn't bothered when their instructors told them they would have to do a bit better before being issued a permit.
*Shrug* I've seen fellow cops do the same.... and they're still wearing the badge and carrying a gun. *Shrug*
C'est la vie. I just hope I'm nowhere nearby if any of those fellows ever decide they need to start shooting at someone!
One was of 'em was the Chief. Heck, he dropped the gun. The instructor gently picked it up for him and said "here you go sir, my bad."
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I make it easy on myself now. I use my Ruger MKII and bring four magazines...cheap, accurate, dependable...Our state laws call for a course of fire involving 24 rounds each at 3, 5, and 7 yards, using the B-27 target. 70% must impact the 7 ring or better, and there's no time limit. In other words, it's a really big target right up in your face, and you've got all day. I've always been casual about it, either taking my time to ensure one big hole, or else just kind of dumping them in and getting it over with. One time around, though, the cool kids made fun of my revolver, so I did my best Miculek/moonclip impression. The group wasn't super impressive, but it was a passing score, and I was pretty smug about my cumulative time. When the cool kids started trooping back into the classroom 20 minutes later, I made sure to rub it in.
Is there a time limit for each distance?
In California, we have to qualify with the exact gun we intend to carry - and if you want to carry more than one, you have to shoot each one in order to have it listed on your permit. (That's why Los Angeles is so safe.)
Either that is a brand new requirement, or just local to your county (or trainer, even). I've re-upped my California permit at three or four different places in Orange County CA and have never seen a time limit - or, in fact, even been allowed to draw from a holster!
The shooting part of our qualification is all at 15 yards and is not timed. They just need to make sure you're holding the right end of the gun.In California, we have to qualify with the exact gun we intend to carry - and if you want to carry more than one, you have to shoot each one in order to have it listed on your permit. (That's why Los Angeles is so safe.)
Maybe it is by county? Here is Ventura County's rules:
It must be. That isn't remotely like the course we take in Orange County. Ours is much, much easier, to the point that I don't see it accomplishes much - although people still fail it...
