Jury finds NRA officers violated responsibilities

The motivation of the prosecutor does not exonerate the doer his or her bad deeds. The bad apples are now out of the barrel.
Well, it does if one acknowledges that Letitia James and New York do not have the best interest of the NRA and gun-owners in their hearts. One would likewise have to believe that Letitia James and Judge Arthur Engoron have the best interest of America and the GOP in their hearts as they attempt to cripple Donald J. Trump before the election. Motive always matters.
 
the DA got what she ran on, destroying the NRA.....
Ironically, ousting WLP may end up saving the NRA. WLP seemed to do good things earlier in his career, but the last decade or so have been a mess, apparently.

One ironic observation is that because the political left is organized largely top-down, they tend to view non-leftists the same way. Hence, they see this or that candidate on the right as a “leader” with “followers”, etc. On the gun issue, they see NRA as the source of opposition to gun-prohibitionist ideology, with “followers” that simply parrot its positions, rather than seeing NRA as an instrument of gun owners’ collective will.

The result of that is that the left thinks that if they can only knock off the NRA’s leadership, opposition to “gun control” will dissipate. Whereas in fact opposition to “gun control” comes from 80 to 100 million gun owners plus others who value their right to choose on the issue, and the NRA is merely one tool among many delegated by gun owners to fight for their civil liberties in the legislative sphere.

If the NRA were to dissolve tomorrow it would have little effect on gun politics, since other organizations would be tasked to carry the load (and honestly that has pretty much what has been happening over the past decade or so, as the NRA has seemingly gotten distracted and sidelined by WLP’s missteps). I suspect that a post-WLP NRA with meaningful leadership reforms will see a resurgence of membership, a sharper focus on protecting people’s rights, and greater effectiveness rather than less.

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If there's someone that thinks this was a fair trial and venue, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. You all loved WLP when he stood up to Obama after Sandy Hook. Now you all hate him for his clothing allowance. And the DA got what she ran on, destroying the NRA.....
If you think that WLP's clothing purchases were the only area of malfeasance then you are being as willfully blind to his theft as the board of directors was. By his own admission he spent millions of dollars on himself, family and friends for private flights, gifts and other expenses. It was his actions that gave James the opening she needed to attack the NRA. James is clearly an enemy of the NRA and hoped to dissolve it as an organization. The judge presiding over the case put a stop to that. Without WLP's graft she wouln't have had any case.

I hope to see the NRA rebound from this and become stronger than before. I have two concerns. (1) The actions of any monitor put in place to oversee NRA reforms and (2) The board of directors who not only turned a blind eye to the corruption but continued to retain WLP after his misuse of funds was laid bare.
 
Well, it does if one acknowledges that Letitia James and New York do not have the best interest of the NRA and gun-owners in their hearts. One would likewise have to believe that Letitia James and Judge Arthur Engoron have the best interest of America and the GOP in their hearts as they attempt to cripple Donald J. Trump before the election. Motive always matters.
Agreed. "Motive" of the prosecutor matters, but that "motive" does not override the facts that drive the result of prosecution. An ill-motivated prosecutor still mist have the facts needed to win the case. I am certain that many people who lost to a prosecutorlosy because the facts worked agsonst them, not because of the ill-motivation.
 
One suspects the alleged $17 million buy-out the organization was supposed to give WLP in return for his "resignation" will cover his fines, court costs and renumeration.

It'd be great to see the NRA rebound, return to its roots, regain some credibility, but when you look at some of the names on the new ballot (same folks who tolerated and enabled the corrupt regime), and with only four "reform" candidates on the ballot, I don't hold out much hope.
 
The NRA is Americas longest serving civil rights organization. I can't help it that corrupt individuals used the organization to enrich themselves. I still stand by all the good work that the NRA has done for nearly a century and a half. I will not toss it to the curb because of human greed and malfeasance. Hell, if that were any standard at all then Obama and Biden would never have been installed into the White House. I wonder how many of our members supported those train wrecks.
 
It only became active as a 2nd Amendment advocate relatively recently (the 1960's, at the earliest). Before that, it was just a glorified shooting club.
This is one of the topics that NRA Watch gets rather correctly stated in their Myths & Facts pages.
 
I have no idea where they got the Civil Rights angle from, because the NRA really didn't get into gun control politics heavy until the 1960's. Read the history for yourself.

Because we are the good guy's, when the investigation happened, the State of New York should have not been able to find anything and the organization should have been squeaky clean. But the Organization was not and now we have to pay the piper. It's just that simple.

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But if your not a member and want to help maybe it's now is the time.

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Likely Ms. James could find fertile ground exploring several other corporations from the pro bono aspect........ie: CORE/NAACP or try several of the ones Soros funds.
 
Well, Danny, the truth is that the real heavy hitting threats did not begin till the '60's...............super hyped by the press following those hi profile events such as Kennedy/King and followed up by the final blow leading to the '68 act, that of Robert Kennedy...............I grew up in the '50's.........well recall the ease of mail order and the de-wat times. Plus the plethora of surplus dumped on the U.S. market post WW2............all of which was seized on to push the control issue to the point that we are roughly at today, roughly............Yep there was the '34 and '38 acts, but don't discard the NRA doing more than just operating as a shooting club, they acted as DCM's outlet, got the bbl length mandated by the '34 bill reduced to 16 for rifles (all because of those short tubed carbines) and truly DID have the regard, and still to a great degree holds the image of the be and end all relative to firearms in the minds of many.............otherwise why would dear Ms. James try so hard to castrate the organization?

Could they have done more.....yes, for sure but those folks had no more of a crystal ball than you or I........They DID stop handguns from being included in the '34 act, otherwise you'd be dropping two bills and waiting god knows how long for that new Ruger or Smith..............

I'm an NRA life member, proud of it and intend to follow Knox's approach......................................if you truly care, I'd strongly suggest you do so as well !!!
 
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Wondering (if there is one) what the Directors and Officers insurance policy will do?
 
The NRA is Americas longest serving civil rights organization. I can't help it that corrupt individuals used the organization to enrich themselves. I still stand by all the good work that the NRA has done for nearly a century and a half. I will not toss it to the curb because of human greed and malfeasance. Hell, if that were any standard at all then Obama and Biden would never have been installed into the White House. I wonder how many of our members supported those train wrecks.
I agree with you that we should not toss the organization to the curb because of bad actors. We should do what we can to support and encourage the organization to get back to morals and standards and create a healthy culture. Since NRA leadership and its culture are severely tainted, it will take awhile for a strong and moral leaders to emerge and change the culture. I'm sure millions of Americans would be glad to become a member and financially support the organization once this change becomes evident. In the meantime, NRA does not deserve financial support because it cannot be trusted. I don't think corrupt organizational culture is a reason to bring in politics or think those are the only 2 politicians who practice human greed and malfeasance. The whole political establishment is replete with evil.
 
Well, Danny, the truth is that the real heavy hitting threats did not begin till the '60's...............super hyped by the press following those hi profile events such as Kennedy/King and followed up by the final blow leading to the '68 act, that of Robert Kennedy...............I grew up in the '50's.........well recall the ease of mail order and the de-wat times. Plus the plethora of surplus dumped on the U.S. market post WW2............all of which was seized on to push the control issue to the point that we are roughly at today, roughly............Yep there was the '34 and '38 acts, but don't discard the NRA doing more than just operating as a shooting club, they acted as DCM's outlet, got the bbl length mandated by the '34 bill reduced to 16 for rifles (all because of those short tubed carbines) and truly DID have the regard, and still to a great degree holds the image of the be and end all relative to firearms in the minds of many.............otherwise why would dear Ms. James try so hard to castrate the organization?

Could they have done more.....yes, for sure but those folks had no more of a crystal ball than you or I........They DID stop handguns from being included in the '34 act, otherwise you'd be dropping two bills and waiting god knows how long for that new Ruger or Smith..............

I'm an NRA life member, proud of it and intend to follow Knox's approach......................................if you truly care, I'd strongly suggest you do so as well !!!
Have you read the History of the NRA?
 
Matter of fact I do know it, and the events I quoted you are facts................My position is the the current board and most, especially the top exec's, need to go, which is precisely why I advocate Knox's position. There needs to be a housecleaning on the scale of that done by Harlon Carter and Neal Knox..............and the sooner the better which is why Knox's position makes immediate sense!

I am not and will not be an NRA basher of the likes I have seen across the internet.............the negative nabobs to use a hackneyed phrase............The NRA is not those on the board....it is all of us and if the organization is dust binned then the fault is ours alone.

What do I know of the organization, well I put my money where my mouth was.............in fact my job.........when I did one of the national ads for them proposing reform of the '68 law............considered it an honor to be editoralized against by name by the NYT editorial staff, and I'd do it again. That ad was done by the now infamous Ackerman/McQueen, quite professionally I'd say, and the result of that NRA effort benefited all of us that enjoy the shooting sports.....yeah, there was some downside with the Hughes amendment, but that's another story in itself. Bottom line is that just like every other human endeavor there is a dark side.....that's just how the card fell this round.

Just remember. when you damn the organization you are damning ALL of us...........just like James did when she used the 'terrorist' label


And as an aside, why don't you give us YOUR version of the History of the NRA?
 
Matter of fact I do know it, and the events I quoted you are facts................My position is the the current board and most, especially the top exec's, need to go, which is precisely why I advocate Knox's position. There needs to be a housecleaning on the scale of that done by Harlon Carter and Neal Knox..............and the sooner the better which is why Knox's position makes immediate sense!

I am not and will not be an NRA basher of the likes I have seen across the internet.............the negative nabobs to use a hackneyed phrase............The NRA is not those on the board....it is all of us and if the organization is dust binned then the fault is ours alone.

What do I know of the organization, well I put my money where my mouth was.............in fact my job.........when I did one of the national ads for them proposing reform of the '68 law............considered it an honor to be editoralized against by name by the NYT editorial staff, and I'd do it again. That ad was done by the now infamous Ackerman/McQueen, quite professionally I'd say, and the result of that NRA effort benefited all of us that enjoy the shooting sports.....yeah, there was some downside with the Hughes amendment, but that's another story in itself. Bottom line is that just like every other human endeavor there is a dark side.....that's just how the card fell this round.

Just remember. when you damn the organization you are damning ALL of us...........just like James did when she used the 'terrorist' label
I certainly can understand and respect your view. A lot of folks think like you and a lot of people are not in a place to trust the organization right now. People manage and lead organizations and the NRA allowed evil to enter its doors and take over the culture. In my experience, best way for the public to force change on this type of organization is not to fund them until they sanitize to remove the diseases they let fester. Just because the intent and mission is noble and just, doesn't mean it can be supported blindly. I support a lot of organizations with words of change and encouragement but will not give my resources until they clean house and show they have good leadership.
 
If there's someone that thinks this was a fair trial and venue, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. You all loved WLP when he stood up to Obama after Sandy Hook. Now you all hate him for his clothing allowance. And the DA got what she ran on, destroying the NRA.....
Next thing you know, there’ll be those saying that she’s actually pro NRA, and was only working in good conscience to get the bad apples out of there.
 
Matter of fact I do know it, and the events I quoted you are facts................My position is the the current board and most, especially the top exec's, need to go, which is precisely why I advocate Knox's position. There needs to be a housecleaning on the scale of that done by Harlon Carter and Neal Knox..............and the sooner the better which is why Knox's position makes immediate sense!

I am not and will not be an NRA basher of the likes I have seen across the internet.............the negative nabobs to use a hackneyed phrase............The NRA is not those on the board....it is all of us and if the organization is dust binned then the fault is ours alone.

What do I know of the organization, well I put my money where my mouth was.............in fact my job.........when I did one of the national ads for them proposing reform of the '68 law............considered it an honor to be editoralized against by name by the NYT editorial staff, and I'd do it again. That ad was done by the now infamous Ackerman/McQueen, quite professionally I'd say, and the result of that NRA effort benefited all of us that enjoy the shooting sports.....yeah, there was some downside with the Hughes amendment, but that's another story in itself. Bottom line is that just like every other human endeavor there is a dark side.....that's just how the card fell this round.

Just remember. when you damn the organization you are damning ALL of us...........just like James did when she used the 'terrorist' label


And as an aside, why don't you give us YOUR version of the History of the NRA?
Your a strange guy because do actually think your the only person drawing SS and has a Medicare card. ;)
 
We gave her a chance and she took it, if our laundry had been clean this would never have happened.
Pretty much.

I'm not an NRA basher, even though the organization pretty much totally abandoned my state since 2014 and left us with more draconian gun regulation than all but a select few states -- but the NRA's fall didn't occur in a vacuum.

When Oliver North was ousted in the spring of 2019 amid the growing allegations -- since proven -- of corruption, and the BOD and remaining officers did nothing, that's when many of us bailed. The "elections" have been fairly meaningless for years, and if we expect the next leadership cadre to make a difference, well, I don't know what everyone else is smoking.

I'm just tired of all the NRA apologists attributing the NRA's downfall to a few bad apples. If it wasn't Letitia James and New York state, it would've eventually been worse, probably the federal DOJ. Everyone's known about WLP's and his cronies shenanigans for a while. Good riddance. Time to start over from the ground up, but judging by the new ballot, the organization didn't get the memo.
And as an aside, why don't you give us YOUR version of the History of the NRA?
Irrelevant. History is great, after all, this country once had honest and conscientious Presidents, senators and representatives who tried to do the right thing for our country.
 
The NRA had too many officers with million $ salaries while begging for $20 from blue collar members.

Best thing to come out of this is it has made the NRA unable to engineer 2A sell-outs like the Brady Bill.
 
This what others are saying Mr. Lapierre used my money for and your too if you donated.

Guns and Goodies: How LaPierre Spent the N.R.A.’s Money
Evidence showed that the National Rifle Association’s leader lived well on donated money as he fought regulations on firearms.

By Liset Cruz Feb. 23, 2024

The case brought by New York’s attorney general, Letitia James, against the National Rifle Association aimed to show how it used donations from gun owners across the country to pay for luxuries and exotic travel for its executives.
Its leader, Wayne LaPierre, was the face of obdurate resistance to regulations on firearms. He argued for untrammeled Second Amendment rights and the self-reliance afforded by firepower. Behind the scenes, however, Mr. LaPierre had a taste for the good life, spending the group’s money on luxuries like Bahamian vacations.
But such trips were far from the most lavish or outlandish expenditures. Here are some of the most notable instances of misspending for which he was found liable Friday, according to evidence and testimony.
CLOTHES: Between 2004 and 2017, Mr. LaPierre spent nearly $275,000 on suits from a luxury Beverly Hills boutique, Zegna. Mr. LaPierre said he bought them on the recommendation of an N.R.A. contractor who “hated my clothing.” Mr. LaPierre had argued that the suits were just “costumes I wore on TV,” albeit extremely expensive ones.
ITALIAN FOOD: Mr. LaPierre testified that he didn’t drink and didn’t smoke, but he certainly knew how to pay a tab: Over 15 days in June 2016, the N.R.A. spent $5,398.18 at Landini Brothers Restaurant, commonly referred to as Landini’s by the defendants, an Italian restaurant in Alexandria, Va. Despite that, Mr. LaPierre seemingly didn’t have a great time. “I hated that cigar bar,” he said.
TRAVEL: Mr. LaPierre spent nearly $250,000 on flights around the world, including Italy, Budapest, the Bahamas and the Biggest Little City in World: Reno, Nev. His N.R.A.-paid vacations also sounded lush. He spent $107,620 for a vacation to the Bahamas in 2016, where he stayed on a superyacht that had a personal chef and personal watercraft.
GIFTS: Mr. LaPierre was generous, billing the organization for a number of pricey gifts, including a $1,260 handbag and $860 in candlesticks from Bergdorf Goodman. There was also fitness gear, including about $400 in Fitbits for friends and family.
INSECT CONTROL: After noticing that his security staff was “getting eaten alive”, Mr. LaPierre spent $810 on a mosquito control package for his home in 2017. “Security people would be out there all night,” he said.
 
The NRA had too many officers with million $ salaries while begging for $20 from blue collar members.

Best thing to come out of this is it has made the NRA unable to engineer 2A sell-outs like the Brady Bill.
When I visited the new building just after it opened, they couldn't offer me a seat because the guy I went to see didn't any furniture. :(
 
I was extremely disappointed when I found WLP put the NRA into bankruptcy, to move from NY to Texas. And he did so without consulting with his in house legal staff, or the board. Who could have told him, his scheme was delusional. No doubt that cost the NRA millions in legal fees, and it failed.

You would think a salary of $2 million a year would suffice, but his billionaire lifestyle required draining money from the organization, taking it away from mission.

I was glad the NRA was not wrecked in the process to remove WLP. It could have been.

WLP is not the NRA. He was just some leader who could not keep his hands out of the cookie jar.
 
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