Silencers - Why?

dogtown tom said:

No federal law or ATF regulation requires you to carry a copy of your Form 1 or Form 4, so, ya, it is the same.



No kidding.



Three Short Barreled Shotguns, Four Short Barreled Rifles and about a dozen silencers..............you?
Now, if you had asked how many NFA firearms are under my roof? About a hundred.

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A sten and a dedicated can for it and a .22 can for now- looking to add a centerfire rifle multi can shortly. Will have more once if they kill the Stamp and background hoops...

AK Hunter said:

Repeated noise above 70 dB over a prolonged period of time will damage hearing.
This is stated from the CDC.
So if you plan on spending a day at the range banging away with your suppressed gun you need hearing protection. You are just fooling yourself if you think it's

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Do you have a link to that source? According to the CDC NIOSH Here it's 85Db for an 8 hour period and that is cut in half for every 3db. The standard for instant noise like a gunshot is 140.

JEBruns said:

I shoot next to suppressed center fire rifles at the range fairly often. Even with the can, most of them are still far too loud to not be wearing ear protection, IMO.

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This.
Silencers may make the experience "hearing safer", not "hearing safe".

bearcreek said:

Just a word of advice. Before asking a a question like that of a member on a forum such as this, it's worth clicking on their screen name and doing a quick skim of their posts in other threads.

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no reason not ta ask.. or search. Sorry if it bothered you... well not really.

tallpaul said:

A sten and a dedicated can for it and a .22 can for now- looking to add a centerfire rifle multi can shortly. Will have more once if they kill the Stamp and background hoops...

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Then you'll never own them.

tallpaul said:

no reason not ta ask.. or search. Sorry if it bothered you... well not really.

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On forums such as this, people often ask questions to which the answer is quickly and readily available. They just don't bother to take a few seconds to look first. Doesn't bother me really. More of an amusement.

bearcreek said:

On forums such as this, people often ask questions to which the answer is quickly and readily available. They just don't bother to take a few seconds to look first. Doesn't bother me really. More of an amusement.

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Yep sometimes it's hilarious when someone tries to educate another that's actually a recognized expert.
On another board had a newcomer attempt explaining long range shooting to Zac Smith.

AK Hunter said:

I hunt all the time without a suppressor & it doesn't change the way animals act when in my area. Animals don't react to gunfire like everyone thinks they do, in fact the only animal that I have seen that reacts harmfully to gunfire is humans.

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I’ve literally never seen an animal that did NOT react to gunfire. Even on low pressure, private land, I have watched deer change behavior patterns based on a single gunshot in an area. I’ve seen multiple examples of pigs being shot suppressed and unsuppressed and there is a noticeable difference.

marksman13 said:

I’ve literally never seen an animal that did NOT react to gunfire. Even on low pressure, private land, I have watched deer change behavior patterns based on a single gunshot in an area. I’ve seen multiple examples of pigs being shot suppressed and unsuppressed and there is a noticeable difference.

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My experience is diffferent. I have noticed no real difference in the reaction of pigs to suppressed and unsuppressed shooting. I have groups shot at suppressed that ran with the first shot and didn't stop anywhere on property and I have seen groups shot at unsuppressed that run a few steps and stopped. On several occasions, I have shot hogs in fields with deer where the deer didn't do much more than simply look up and then went back to feeding (not during deer season). They react, but certainly don't always run or even bother to get up from being bedded. Then again, I have seen deer 80 yards away at a feeder that bolted when I slide the window open on a blind.

Here is a video of me shooting a hog, unsuppressed, with bedded deer in the field. The closest is about 70 yards away at my 2-2:30 position and the hog is about 170 yards away at my 12 o'clock. This was on private land.


Here is my favorite video of a deer not reacting to gun shots, at least not at first two, LOL. No clue as to the land status here.

What I have noticed is that hogs that have not been hunted before tend to react less than hogs that have, regardless of whether one is shooting suppressed or not.

Here is a sort of example I am talking about. The farthest shot here is just 80 yards. First hog goes down and the rest startle, run a little, slow, trot, and then I pop another one 2 times and the process repeats. These are hogs not running for their life because because of the >160 db unsuppressed report of my rifle. They are totally confused as to what is going on and what they should do. The 3rd hog I shot actually came to a stop about 45-50 yards in front of me when I shot it for the first time. This is on private land.

Just as an aside, the optic I used in this video was the first Pulsar thermal rifle scope in the US being tested and these were the first hogs taken with it. A short time later, they released the Apex line that was fairly successful, and then went on from their with their Trail series and things exploded from there.

With all that said, suppressed subsonic certainly shows a lot more promise for not startling animals as much, but the thwack of the impacts doesn't help and there is no way to suppress that.

In most of my YouTube shooting videos out at my ranch, I pan up to the field across the road and there are always deer and elk herds feeding while I am shooting. They know it's not hunting season and they know I'm not a threat. Weird but true.

JEBruns said:

Nothing in your link backs up the bolded quote.

Recreational Firearm Noise Exposure

Exposure to noise greater than 140 dB can permanently damage hearing. Almost all firearms create noise that is over the 140-dB level.

www.asha.org

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It actually does you'd just have to stop with the confirmation bias and do a little math.
If you cut the time exposure in half for every 3dB then 140dB would have an exposure limit of about .1 second. And you've already found another source to back this up so??????

JEBruns said:

If the manufacturer of a product lists the max DB as being FAR above a level where you need hearing protection, I think that's pretty solid evidence that you need hearing protection for every shot fired. Your anecdotal conclusion that your "ears are fine" does not obviate that.

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Of course if one follows that to a logical conclusion you should have double ear protection and a suppressor for each shot fired. Even with double ear protection a suppressed 22 will be above 70dB at the ear.
I would also suggest that you read up on just how the NRR system works.


It not as simple as my ear plugs have a NRR of 30 so 150Db becomes 120Db. The NRR comes off the bottom of the scale and dB is logarithmic.
Almosy everybody gets into the suppressor game with a what's the quietest, most figure out pretty quick holy crap just a lot quieter is awesome.
Here's some perspective from my personal experience, you can choose to be disinterested in a SBR or even just assume I'm lying whatever you choose but here goes.
My 12.5" 5.56 even with an inefficient ( but very short and very light) 3 baffle suppressor with a 9mm bore (Torrent T9k) that would be significantly quieter in a hallway (or anywhere else) than an unsuppressed service caliber handgun. I also have a quieter can that I can put on it (Griffin Optimus Micro) that makes it at least as pleasant to shoot sans ear protection as it is to shoot the dang thing with double ear protection and the aggressive brake exposed.