Who has a silencer on their bed-side gun

[freakshow10mm]

What is your back up gun? Do you use a suppressed AR pistol since it shares magazines or do you rely on something smaller?

Suppressed M16 pistol with burst kit. That's the wife's gun she takes into our son's room when I hear bumps at night. She protects him, I search and protect. She hears shouting or gunfire, 9mm on the cell phone (in case the line is cut). Cop shop is a block down the road.

I would if I could, but I'm 19, and poor.

You can buy a suppressor on a Form 4 from a private party at 18yo. You can also make one yourself on a Form 1 at 18yo. The ATF will approve both.

 

[Girodin]

I believe more people would have suppressors on their "bed side" weapons if it were not for the cost and legal issues. A suppressor offers notable benefits with respect to noise, flash, and muzzle rise.

I personally do not worry about the legal ramifications of the weapon having a suppressor, but that is based on where I live and how self defense shootings are handled here. I understand the other side of the argument I just do not agree with it. If I lived somewhere where attitudes towards guns, self defense and the sanctity of ones home and family were different I might well consider it a more valid issue.

 

[704338]

I can't afford it, nor do I know the legal process of obtaining a silencer. I keep a S&W M&P .45 tucked above my pillow and a Mossy 500 12 gauge nearby at all times. Regarding the defense in court with silencers.. If it comes down to it, doesn't this put us in the same boat as when we first learned how to protect ourselves with weapons? It's you or them. I'd be willing to pay millions in court so long as my family is safe from those who put me in fear of loss.

 

[matai]

I wish I could! In Washington I can legally buy one, attach it, but if I shoot with it, thats illegal!

At least thats how I understand it.

 

[mrnkc130]

I will have a supressed HD weapon very soon...less flash less noise = good

 

[Ranb]

matai,

I make silencers as a hobby in WA. I travel out of state for work occasionally and other times for vacation and bring as many supppressed weapons and ammo I can carry. When I retire, it will be outside of WA. It can still be worth it to make your own in WA.

Ranb

 

[wishin]

I will have a supressed HD weapon very soon...less flash less noise = good

The reduction in noise is not sufficient to protect your hearing much and you'll still wake up your neighbors!

 

[freakshow10mm]

False and false.

 

[Ranb]

The reduction in noise is not sufficient to protect your hearing much and you'll still wake up your neighbors!

A mediocre silencer will reduce noise intensity by 20 decibels (100 times). This is a reduction in loudness of four times. A good silencer will reduce noise intensity by 30 decibels (1000 times) or loudness by 8 times.

While these values are based on simple math and the actual results are complicated by environment and perception, it shows that a silencer will have a large effect on the noise level. Losing a little hearing is better than a lot. Lowering the noise to a level that is not physically disorientating is possible even when shooting indoors in a small room that reflects noise back to the shooter.

Ranb

 

[wishin]

Good point. What I don't know is, what constitutes losing a little hearing. From my own personal experience, I lost a little hearing from a double 90mm blast at 60 ft that didn't really manifest itself until many years later. BTW, I was totally deaf for probably 6 hours after the incident.

 

[Ranb]

My hearing has been checked every year since 1983 when I enlisted in the USN. My baseline was about 0 to 10 decibels depending on the frequency. Over the years I have taken good care of my hearing by wearing plugs or muffs whenever I am exposed to loud noise; but I currently can only hear as low as 5-20 decibels.

I have been exposed to one harsh event. I was standing six feet away directly in line with an AR-50 muzzle brake while I thought the range was cold. When the trigger was pulled my ear went numb from the noise. A week later I had my VA retirement physical and the doctor said my hearing was the same as my last test; lucky for me. The doctor said it was a temporary threshold shift

Hearing loss is a progressive thing over the years. People who think they are becoming accustomed to the noise are actually going deaf.

Ranb

 

[wishin]

Given my early history of abusing my ears, I certainly agree with you that there's surely a progressive component to hearing loss. While I can't argue with the experts that any noise greater than 90 db can damage the ears, my exposure to extreme noise as a soldier, hunter and civilian shooter should make me the poster child (read, old fart) for the totally deaf. However, I've often wondered if the human ear's tolerance for noise is higher than they suspect. Like lung cancer, maybe some are more susceptable than others. To this day, 50 years after the event, I can still get away with my high frequency loss except for under certain social circumstances. I tell my wife that I can hear just fine, I just can't understand certain words.

 

[Ranb]

I tell my wife that I can hear just fine, I just can't understand certain words.

Get a hearing test, then get a hearing aid.

Ranb

 

[wishin]

LOL.

My last sentence was tongue-in-cheek!

 

[Sgt. Stiglitz]

Add me to the list.............

 

[CZguy]

I tell my wife that I can hear just fine, I just can't understand certain words.

I hear some things just fine, but after thirty years of jet noise I have difficulty hearing women. My Dr. said that's due to women's voices being on a similar frequency as jet engines. My wife doesn't believe it, but it seems to be true. (That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.)

 

[wishin]

Lol CZguy. How well do you do on differentiating a spoken 2 from a 3 on the phone?

Sgt. stglisz, you don't need any ammo, just club the guy to death!

 

[PTK]

I do. My PS90 SBR sports an AAC M4-1k.

 

[armoredman]

So, if I may ask a followup question, is there anyone here using both a 'can, and subsonic ammo? I would hazard a guess not, dont know of any subsonic SD ammo not in 38 Special, but I might not be aware of some having never owned a 'can, even though they are legal for ownership/use/carry here in AZ.
Be kinda neat to get a 'can threaded to my SA vz-58, neat and expensive!

 

[waterhouse]

Since this is the rifle forum I guess you are asking about rifles? I find that silenced rifles are too long to work properly for home defense. A pistol on the other hand is about the right size. I don't have one though.

Depends on the rifle. A 10.5" AR with a can is about the same length as pistol with a can, when both are in a firing position (i.e. the AR is shouldered, the handgun is in extended arms.)

So, if I may ask a followup question, is there anyone here using both a 'can, and subsonic ammo?

My .45 is, but only because .45 ammo is already subsonic. My AR uses 75 grain TAP, which is well above subsonic, even out of a short barrel.

 

[PTK]

Since this is the rifle forum I guess you are asking about rifles? I find that silenced rifles are too long to work properly for home defense. A pistol on the other hand is about the right size. I don't have one though.

That's what my PS90 is SBRed for. Holding it to my shoulder, the end of the silencer is closer to my body than a properly held pistol. Counter-intuitive, but true.

So, if I may ask a followup question, is there anyone here using both a 'can, and subsonic ammo?

I currently have my PS90 loaded with 55gr subsonic ammo. Still packs a hell of a punch, and since it's only intended for hallway ranges in the house... 50 rounds of FMJ at 1000FPS isn't a joke.

Besides, I can always slap a 50rd mag of 40gr supersonics in - they're leaving the muzzle at over 2300FPS.

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

I currrently have Speer 147 Gold Dots in my Browning HP (above), although the AAC Scorpion, which is designed to take the bite out of the 9mm in tight places, WILL reduce the blast of a hypersonic round enough that your ears don't hurt. When I am outdoors, its sounds as though I am shooting .22's. All guns should have this type of a can on them.