Colorado Weapons Ban

It's past time for the Supreme Court to step in and put a stop to AWBs, magazine limits, etc. But they won't, because they value their "institutional reputation" over constitutionalist principle. In other words, they're scared of the backlash.

The 2nd Amendment will become meaningless if the Court keeps this up.

@230RN I don't fundamentally disagree with your thoughts and feelings. I merely disagree tactically and strategically, and only in a minor way at that. There may be too few Democrat voters who are unwilling to change the party from within from your perspective. Perhaps even from mine. But if they do lean toward RKBA beliefs i want to keep them an ally in this fight if at all possible. Just like there are Republicans who believe in being conservationists and environmentalists (few, but they exist), there are Democrats who are at least open to being pro-2A. The last thing I want is them perusing THR after asking a question about their Winchester '94 and seeing a post in general discussions denigrating all of the "flaming liberals." I think it's counterproductive. And I think it's why we strive to remain partisan neutral.

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Just like there are Republicans who believe in being conservationists and environmentalists (few, but they exist), there are Democrats who are at least open to being pro-2A. The last thing I want is them perusing THR after asking a question about their Winchester '94 and seeing a post in general discussions denigrating all of the "flaming liberals." I think it's counterproductive. And I think it's why we strive to remain partisan neutral.

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At the risk of imminent thread-closure: who are they, and where are they? They are certainly not making their voices heard.

Back in 2006 we actually had a pro-gun Democrat run against an anti-gun Republican for Ohio Attorney General. So there are a few.

Ohio Attorney General:
Betty Montgomery opposed legislation which became Ohio's concealed carry law in 2004, and told Buckeye Firearms Association Chairman Jim Irvine that she would never be the candidate of the NRA. She has been defeated by Buckeye Firearms Association endorsee and Democrat Marc Dann.

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tarosean said:

Yet people come of age every single day that we’re not able to “stock up”

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It behooves us to not be short sighted when it comes to our constitutional rights

This is a really hard topic for me to address. In the interest of full disclosure I believe that America is being taken over by Socialists (or at the very least authoritarians) on both sides of the aisle. I am absolutely convinced that Joe McCarthy was right and we are seeing exactly what he said was going to happen happening.

That's one of the reasons I tend to stay away from the even remotely political discussions because I think we're on a one-way Street. The America that most of us grew up in is gone and it's never coming back.

I don't think the answer to this problem is political. I think we lost that fight when we let the NEA take over our schools and start indoctrinating our kids.

I absolutely believe that there are people on both sides of the aisle who believe that the only reason Communism hasn't worked anywhere it's ever been tried is because it hasn't been tried in America.

I also believe that there are people on both sides of the aisle who believe that it would be best for the whole world if America and everybody else gave up their national sovereignty and joined unified world government.

That is never going to happen until they disarm us. I believe that is the intent of all gun control legislation. It's just another step on the road to Citizen disarmament and we need to look at it like that.

I remember sitting in a psych 101 class in college. It was at least 10 or 15 years ago and the class was having a discussion about income tax. At some point somebody said that they need to increase taxes on the rich. I countered with the well-known factoid that the top 1% of earners pay over 50% of the taxes in the country. He looked at me and said "I don't care they should pay more and I should pay less."

That's when I knew America was on the way out.

I think the best possible thing that could happen to the cause of Second Amendment rights is what's happening now.

Good citizens are waking up to the fact that the police are not coming to save you.
I mean, they never were but now it's blatantly obvious.

Those who identify as Democrats are buying guns for protection in record numbers.

My mother was a hardcore left-wing Nebraska Democrat. She hated guns.

They could have banned all private citizen ownership of firearms in America and (if you overlook the unintended consequences) it would not have had any effect whatsoever on her life.

She had nothing to lose and and even if she never met you she knew better than you and you didn't need guns.

We are never going to "educate" those kind of people into seeing it our way.

But now Democrats are buying guns hand over fist. They're starting to get it and hopefully at some point they will stop voting for people who are trying to take away their right to have those guns.

The last thing I'm going to say is Trump ain't your friend either. That whole "Take the guns first and due process later", he meant that.

And I don't even think that it's he cares or doesn't care or does or doesn't understand the Second Amendment. He believes that everything that Donald Trump does is right and Justified and that if he disarms you it was the right thing to do because he did it.

Old Dog said:

At the risk of imminent thread-closure: who are they, and where are they? They are certainly not making their voices heard.

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We had a Democrat run for state House with pro-2nd speechifying.
We-uns down hyar in hillbilly country ain't had no big gun control projects brung in by carpetbaggers so she haint got no voting record sos we could tell ifn she meant it, though.

A club member, living semi-rural, said he has three recent neighbors move in from left liberal areas. Refugees or carpetbaggers, he doesn't know yet.

The divide we're seeing in the country is escalating, and the differences between states is significant. I'm now in Wisconsin, about 20 miles from the Illinois border. I can walk into a gun store, buy a gun and walk out with it immediately. We have no "assault" weapon or magazine bans. Drive 20 miles south and the restrictions are so numerous and convoluted that I can't keep up with them. I'm sorry about what's happened in Colorado. Chicago and other blue cities with restrictive gun laws are proof that these laws do nothing to keep people safe and are simply an end around the 2A as their violent crime and murder rates lead the country.

jmorris said:

Come on down to Texas, we need help offsetting liberals fleeing the places they have created too.

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That was CO's demise too.. We will be next.

tarosean said:

That was CO's demise too.. We will be next.

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Yep but I'll still invite all of the good guys and gals fleeing too, hope the rest pick CO or AZ instead, I know, wishful thinking...

It has mixed support. I'm not sure how likely it is to pass. However, this seems to be the trend. If it doesn't pass, they'll go back to work drafting a modified similar bill. Chipping away.

And I don't know why. Do they really fear we will hold a real insurrection and tar and feather them? Are they lying to themselves and really think that restricting John Doe's sporting and self defense weapons will reduce crime? Have they been told that by their AGE minions, it being easier to clamp down on John than to try to apprehend actual violent felons?

Reading the bill, it seems like someone has stock in Ruger plain Jane Mini-14s, yet again. Ruger PCCs also? Do I get this incorrect?

As far as waiting for Scotus - I have a bit of a tin foil view that the politically motivated GOP oriented justices do not want to solve the AWB problem before the election as they want to keep the issue hot. If that's political, I apologize. I do not buy that they are apolitical - skip the political commentary on that one. I note that there was an anti AWB bill in the beginning of Trump's first year and Mitch squelched it.

Wonder why all those 'tactical' lever action guns like the Bond one are coming out?

Guns are a "sleeper" issue. I'm convinced that guns are one of the major reasons for the mass shift of the blue-collar working class from the Democrats to the Republicans. The suburban Democrats are in their bubble and they don't understand this. Antigun elitists believe that gun control should be a winning issue. The people that actually own and use guns beg to differ.

We shall see what happens in the elections this November. Be prepared for some surprises.

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@230RN I don't fundamentally disagree with your thoughts and feelings. I merely disagree tactically and strategically, and only in a minor way at that. There may be too few Democrat voters who are unwilling to change the party from within from your perspective. Perhaps even from mine. But if they do lean toward RKBA beliefs i want to keep them an ally in this fight if at all possible. Just like there are Republicans who believe in being conservationists and environmentalists (few, but they exist), there are Democrats who are at least open to being pro-2A. The last thing I want is them perusing THR after asking a question about their Winchester '94 and seeing a post in general discussions denigrating all of the "flaming liberals." I think it's counterproductive. And I think it's why we strive to remain partisan neutral.

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I agree wit you, but I don’t think I’m alone in being pro 2nd amendment and also a conservationist and environmentalist. I don’t see how you can call yourself a hunter and not be a conservationist.

@The Night Rider, spot on.

I just learned another thing that illustrates how screwed up Colorado is.

Regina English (D) tried getting a bill through for pet registration. Colorado House Bill 24-1163.

Literally EVERYTHING that could be considered a pet would require registration AND would require owners to have a designated pet caretaker in the event they passed away or otherwise are unable to take care of their pets.

And all for the low, low cost of $8.50 to $25 per pet. And that's per year. $8.50 (with a registered caretaker), $16 (for an un-neutered dog or cat with a caretaker), or $25 (for a per without a caretaker)

With a $100 fine per pet for non-compliance.

So, of your child has an aquarium with a dozen fish, two hamsters, a dog, and a cat, this would cost at least $136 a year. $400 without a caretaker. Or $1,600 in non-compliance penalties.

And I doubt that would be prorated for fish that died during the course of that year.

The bill is dead, but there are still people protesting it with petitions.

One of those good/bad things happened last week when an Obama appointed federal judge in Chicago ruled that illegal immigrants also have Second Amendment rights so they can protect themselves from criminals. It amazed me that she ruled that an illegal has Second Amendment rights but the law says that a citizen criminal doesn't.

RetiredUSNChief said:

I just learned another thing that illustrates how screwed up Colorado is.

Regina English (D) tried getting a bill through for pet registration. Colorado House Bill 24-1163.

Literally EVERYTHING that could be considered a pet would require registration AND would require owners to have a designated pet caretaker in the event they passed away or otherwise are unable to take care of their pets.

And all for the low, low cost of $8.50 to $25 per pet. And that's per year. $8.50 (with a registered caretaker), $16 (for an un-neutered dog or cat with a caretaker), or $25 (for a per without a caretaker)

With a $100 fine per pet for non-compliance.

So, of your child has an aquarium with a dozen fish, two hamsters, a dog, and a cat, this would cost at least $136 a year. $400 without a caretaker. Or $1,600 in non-compliance penalties.

And I doubt that would be prorated for fish that died during the course of that year.

The bill is dead, but there are still people protesting it with petitions.

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I can't imagine any rep ever thinking this would be passed. I theorize that, being a representative of the state, they sometimes they get constituents calling and pushing for some issue they are passionate about. If the representative gets enough push, they write a proposal for a bill. This one was absolutely ridiculous, and it died before it was even seriously discussed. But - they can at least tell their constituents, they tried to address it. that's my theory on this one.

Littlef said:

I can't imagine any rep ever thinking this would be passed. I theorize that, being a representative of the state, they sometimes they get constituents calling and pushing for some issue they are passionate about. If the representative gets enough push, they write a proposal for a bill. This one was absolutely ridiculous, and it died before it was even seriously discussed. But - they can at least tell their constituents, they tried to address it. that's my theory on this one.

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I agree. The fact that such a bill was officially submitted is only reflective of that individual legislative member, and not the state as a whole. Every state, including supposedly glorious red ones, have idiotic go nowhere bills every session. It's a big pet peeve of mine on forums when a state legislative member, or sometimes even just local commissioner/council member proposes something stupid, and then it's proclaimed far and wide that "[State in question] wants to XXXXX!" with a bunch of angry emojis.

And they have Feel Good/Campaign bills too.
Dear Constituent: We introduced a bill to promote your interests, but we just couldn't push it through. Send money so we can try again next session.

Jim Watson said:

And I don't know why. Do they really fear we will hold a real insurrection and tar and feather them?

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If we're disarmed "they" don't have to worry about it.

An article from last month that seems to offer some substantive pragmatic analysis of the overall situation...


Most MSM coverage doesn't go into such detail.

thirty-eight said:

If one must debate politics, there's plenty of "gun" forums that do just that. I'm here to indulge in my passion for firearms and shooting and I appreciate THR just the way it is.

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Respectfully, this forum is exactly where this political discussion should be, just moved to the "Legal" sub-forum. If you don't want to see this type of discussion, merely don't read the threads containing political subjects.