Colorado Weapons Ban

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Robert said:
I have attached the text of the upcoming Colorado Assault Weapons Ban. This is a ban on almost all firearms and there is absolutely nothing we can do to stop it. I for one will not comply and this reminds me to renew my RMGO membership. We are in for a long fight.
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T[me to get out of there
 
Steel Horse Rider said:
federal judge in Chicago ruled that illegal immigrants also have Second Amendment rights so they can protect themselves from criminals. It amazed me that she ruled that an illegal has Second Amendment rights but the law says that a citizen criminal doesn't.
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The 2nd Amendment says that "people," not "citizens," have the right to keep and bear arms. There are no specific qualifications, such as citizenship, age, gender, etc., but it's open to disqualifications such as conviction for a felony.
 
Congress shall make no law.... I think that would also apply to state legislatures.

Update: I just spoke with my Representative and he believes the Governor is pressuring the Senate to kill the bill so he doesn't have to take a stand either against the bill, potentially angering his rabid communist supporters, or signing it and kissing his chances to be President goodbye. It is good to know and have contact information of those who are supposed to represent you. Ken Buck has never returned my calls or emails for what that is worth.....
 
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Steel Horse Rider said:
Congress shall make no law.... I think that would also apply to state legislatures.

Update: I just spoke with my Representative and he believes the Governor is pressuring the Senate to kill the bill so he doesn't have to take a stand either against the bill, potentially angering his rabid communist supporters, or signing it and kissing his chances to be President goodbye. It is good to know and have contact information of those who are supposed to represent you. Ken Buck has never returned my calls or emails for what that is worth.....
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Interesting. On the state house side, it appears that two members of the judiciary committee (which killed it last year) were replaced by more "progressive" NPCs, thus supporting passage. I guess we will see what gamesmanship happens in the state senate.
 
AlexanderA said:
The 2nd Amendment says that "people," not "citizens," have the right to keep and bear arms. There are no specific qualifications, such as citizenship, age, gender, etc., but it's open to disqualifications such as conviction for a felony.
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The thing is, they're allowing illegals to carry in Chicago. As a licensed concealed carry holder from an adjoining state, I'm NOT allowed. I have to lock my weapon in my vehicle and be helpless against illegals who are allowed to carry.
 
230RN said:
"Just a misdemeanor?"

Five guns equals five misdemeanors. Add up the possible sentences for five misdemeanors.

I am tired of seeing some of us try to soften the effects of some of these things, all of which are dangerous stepwise infringements.
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I assume you're referencing my post since I'm the only one who mentioned the penalties in the proposal. However I didn't say "just a misdemeanor" anywhere. I was merely pointing out that Colorado's copy & paste of California's own decades of anti-gun laws, stopped short of making violations of the AWB felonies. It's simply a fact of the matter. In no way did I imply or attempt to "soften" that language.

The point was, making it less than a felony indicates to me that the bill's authors are lukewarm in their seriousness, therefore, there's hope to beat such a thing.
 
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GEM said:
Reading the bill, it seems like someone has stock in Ruger plain Jane Mini-14s, yet again. Ruger PCCs also? Do I get this incorrect?
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Only because none of these politicians are writing novel legislation. They're copying the language used by other states, and even the prior Federal AWB which carved out lot's of room for the same rifles. It's a function of that plagiarism.
 
It seems to me that any semi auto with a functional upper handguard, like every generation of the Mini-14, would be fully included in the ban. Even the new Henry Homesteader, with its standard threaded barrel, would be verboten.
 
Basura Blanca said:
I assume you're referencing my post since I'm the only one who mentioned the penalties in the proposal. However I didn't say "just a misdemeanor" anywhere. I was merely pointing out that Colorado's copy & paste of California's own decades of anti-gun laws, stopped short of making violations of the AWB felonies. It's simply a fact of the matter. In no way did I imply or attempt to "soften" that language.

The point was, making it less than a felony indicates to me that the bill's authors are lukewarm in their seriousness, therefore, there's hope to beat such a thing.
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I wasn't referencing you, but my memory is that someone pointed that out as if that made it all OK, but I saw it as another "mitigating" ploy like "grandfathering." At least that's how I read it.

And, without citing them, I seem to have noticed instances where if a legislator gets mad about some misdemeanor, he or she will attempt to elevate it legislatively into a felony, sometimes with success if he or she can get enough others angry about it. (Besides of which, some misdemeanors can get you disqualified from firearms ownership.)

And I have also noticed that this business of repetitively introducing similar onerous legislation year to year seems to be a coin-tossing matter. Sooner or latter, by random variability, a majority of the coins may land "correctly" to get the legislation passed.

But that's all political talk since it applies generally instead of specifically to firearms.

Terry, 230RN
 
JERRY said:
I remember Colorado before common sense left the state.
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I remember it well. It was captivating and beautiful and so free! I lived in Aurora in the 1960's and it was a grand time in my life. My big brother and I would go out shooting regularly with our Remington .35 levers.

A real blast. The Rocky's skyline was always omniscient. It was a magical time!
 
When I was a kid, here in Colorado, me and a buddy would walk right through the neighborhoods with our pellet guns to control the local soda can population and what ever else we could find that was fun to shoot at. The worst we got from neighbors was don’t you kids shoot your eye out…:). Today that would definitely get the attention of numerous cops.
My High School Principal came out to the parking lot and asked a buddy of mine how he liked his rifle that was in the gun rack of his truck because he was in the market for a hunting rifle. This was not in a rural area, it was in Colorado Springs 1987-1991.
 
Targa said:
When I was a kid, here in Colorado, me and a buddy would walk right through the neighborhoods with our pellet guns to control the local soda can population and what ever else we could find that was fun to shoot at. The worst we got from neighbors was don’t you kids shoot your eye out…:). Today that would definitely get the attention of numerous cops.
My High School Principal came out to the parking lot and asked a buddy of mine how he liked his rifle that was in the gun rack of his truck because he was in the market for a hunting rifle. This was not in a rural area, it was in Colorado Springs 1987-1991.
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I brought my GEW88, Grandfather's AEF sword and his souvenir Berthier bayonet to AP US History when we were covering WWI at Boulder High in spring 1992. The assistant principal just asked me to leave them in his office before and after the class until the end of school. People also don't believe me nowadays that I attended at least one gun show that was held in cross-town rival Fairview's gym.
 
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Old Dog said:
At the risk of imminent thread-closure: who are they, and where are they? They are certainly not making their voices heard.
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I can name only two in the Senate who are not fundamentally opposed to RKBA: Tester (MT) and Manchin (WV). Neither could be characterized as defenders of RKBA but by the standards of their Party, they would be outliers. I can’t think of any Dem members of the House that would vote against the Party on infringement legislation, but perhaps others can. In essence, the Democratic Party has adopted a platform that demands extensive infringement on the rights of Americans to keep and bear arms.
 
Yea ca 1960 we hunted rabbits out at Duckel's mink farm off south Havana st. About Alameda or so. That's close to city center now. I still have the Wards western field .22, got it refurbished out of sentiment a couple years ago. Of course that'd be verboten now. Goes to show how population explosion affects our presumable 'progress'. So, it's hard to say its all bad. But with the population increase comes all types of people from which our legislators come.
-West out
 
I don't know where any of you came up with the misdemeanor idea, all I can find about punishment for buying or selling anything in the defined or named weapons is this:

The bill defines the term "assault weapon" and prohibits a person
from manufacturing, importing, purchasing, selling, offering to sell, or
transferring ownership of an assault weapon. The bill further prohibits a
person from possessing a rapid-fire trigger activator. A person in
violation of the prohibitions will be assessed a first-time penalty of
$250,000 and $500,000 for each subsequent violation.

Seems to me that the fines would be a large barrier to risk a sale.
 
Steel Horse Rider said:
One of those good/bad things happened last week when an Obama appointed federal judge in Chicago ruled that illegal immigrants also have Second Amendment rights so they can protect themselves from criminals. It amazed me that she ruled that an illegal has Second Amendment rights but the law says that a citizen criminal doesn't.
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Well, that's not entirely cut and dried either. Different judge, same state. Same Supreme Court ruling cited.
AlexanderA said:
The 2nd Amendment says that "people," not "citizens," have the right to keep and bear arms. There are no specific qualifications, such as citizenship, age, gender, etc., but it's open to disqualifications such as conviction for a felony.
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https://abc7chicago.com/gun-laws-second-amendment-supreme-court-bruen-decision/14066395/

But there have also been 2 instances in the last month or so in Kentucky where judges have ruled that gun prohibition was unconstitutional. One involved a subject with an Emergency Protective Order against him, the other with a "felon in possession" charge.
 
Steel Horse Rider said:
I don't know where any of you came up with the misdemeanor idea, all I can find about punishment for buying or selling anything in the defined or named weapons is this:

The bill defines the term "assault weapon" and prohibits a person
from manufacturing, importing, purchasing, selling, offering to sell, or
transferring ownership of an assault weapon. The bill further prohibits a
person from possessing a rapid-fire trigger activator. A person in
violation of the prohibitions will be assessed a first-time penalty of
$250,000 and $500,000 for each subsequent violation.

Seems to me that the fines would be a large barrier to risk a sale.
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I believe the outrageous fines were removed from the version that passed the committee.
 
Basura Blanca said:
Only because none of these politicians are writing novel legislation. They're copying the language used by other states, and even the prior Federal AWB which carved out lot's of room for the same rifles. It's a function of that plagiarism.
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Pretty much. Look at how similar Illinois' and Washington's AWBs are, for example, following down the road California took. These folks in the state legislatures (and their staffs and attorneys) are all pretty much gun-stupid. They don't write what they know, because they know squat about firearms and don't do the research, they simply copy from the last state that successfully passed gun control legislation.
 
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