Colorado Weapons Ban

AlexanderA said:

It's hard to see how you could violate this proposed law since it includes grandfathering of existing weapons. The way I read it, it would apply only prospectively.

The country (including Colorado) is awash with these types of weapons. Anybody who hasn't already stocked up has been asleep at the switch. Therefore, the actual effect of such legislation (in preventing mass shootings) will be minimal. The sponsors surely know this, and this legislation is an empty gesture.

The next step would be confiscation of existing weapons, but that's where they would really run into non-compliance. Notice, however, that this legislation doesn't include a registration provision, which would be necessary for the next step. It seems to me that the legislators are unwilling to go there.

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It's not about preventing mass shootings. It's about controlling law abiding people. Their intent is to rule us. They know damn well that guns aren't the problem criminals are but they want the chaos.

Insignificant bill said:

It's not about preventing mass shootings. It's about controlling law abiding people. Their intent is to rule us. They no damn well that guns aren't the problem criminals are but they want the chaos.

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Yep same old tried and true strategy. Raise loud objections to everything big or little, create chaos wherever possible until the system is overwhelmed by useful idiots and is ready to collapse, then offer Communism as the solution.

Rinse, repeat, country after country.

Whoops! Sorry! "Communism!" I guess that was too Political. Sorry!

Maybe I should have used "Nazi-ism."

Nope. Still too Political.

I offer another apology even more sincere than the previous one.

I'm reminded of the famous quote: “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
--Presumed origin Edmund Burke

Terry runs and hides.

.455_Hunter said:

Remember, these bills are written by wacked gun control activists, not competent firearms owners.

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I dare say they have knowledgeable minions who can write in broad coverage.

New Mexico's short legislative session (30 days) is for financial matters and what the governor requests.. This year our little golem had a whole list including banning an semi-auto firearms and quite a few other anti gun things. The semi-auto thing went nowhere dieing in committee. We did get a 7 day waiting period though. One legislator made the comment that it would be totally ineffective and an inconvenience to honest citizens but voted for it anyway. He is from the norther part of the state.

The golem will term out but the two waiting in the wings to take her place are not good at all. NM has gone from being one of the most gun friendly states in the nation to trying to emulate California and Colorado since covid hit. It is doing a pretty good job of it too.

Jim Watson said:

I dare say they have knowledgeable minions who can write in broad coverage.

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Yup- They are either clueless or brilliant, depending on your goals.

The Night Rider said:

I PCS'd to Colorado in 1992. I used to say that all the time "I'm sure glad I'm in Colorado not wherever the gun grabbers were running wild".

Then Colorado legalized weed and turned  HARD BLUE almost overnight.

Don't you think for a second that you can't happen to you.

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Heh, I PCS'd to Washington in '94, patting myself on the back for escaping California, and used to say the same sort of things...

Washington is slightly ahead of Colorado at this point with respect to crafting and passing ever increasingly draconian gun control, but it seems CO is trying hard to catch up with us, Oregon and California.

Hubris and complacency is so commonplace in the "good gun laws" states that I find it tragically amusing when the folks in those states finally wake up and smell the coffee, that it's too late. Don't think for a minute that because you currently live in a "red state" that it can't happen to you. Especially if your state has major metropolitan centers controlled by liberal mayors and city councils with growing numbers of newly arriving residents.

With all the talk about all the "new" and "liberal" gun buyers and gun owners, many RKBA supporters seem to believe these folks will somehow automatically turn into single-issue voters. You'd be wrong. Not to mention the fact that even in states such as mine, with massive numbers of gun-owners, collectively, our voting record sucks. When the conservative Eastern Washington counties can't even muster above 11 or 13 percent of their registered voters to mail in ballots, while in King and Pierce Counties over 50 percent vote (as well as many felons and deceased individuals), we just all sit around and bemoan the latest stupidity out of Olympia while talking about the good ol' days.

Our governor just signed the latest round of stupidity yesterday, SB 5444 ("expansion of firearm-sensitive places"), HB 1903 (reporting lost or stolen firearms), HB 2118 (additional requirement for business operations of licensed firearms dealers), SB 5985 (relating to the firearms background checks)...

Old Dog said:

Don't think for a minute that because you currently live in a "red state" that it can't happen to you.

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BINGO!!!!

We are all just a an election away.

I'm not sure how to say this without it being political. I will say that there are people on both sides of the aisle who are working towards this end.

The gun grabbers have given up any pretense that they're trying to reduce crime rates or keep guns out of the hands of violent criminals. They're trying to disarm you.

And if they're trying the law abiding, for lack of a better word, conservative American citizens it must mean that they're planning to do something that we would resist if we have the arms to do it.

The last thing I'm going to say and I've said it multiple times before is it this war was over when the left got control of our Public Schools and turned them into indoctrination centers.

It's going to happen. They will repeal the Second Amendment and then they'll take away our grandkid's guns.

It's just a matter of when

Old Dog said:

With all the talk about all the "new" and "liberal" gun buyers and gun owners, many RKBA supporters seem to believe these folks will somehow automatically turn into single-issue voters. You'd be wrong.

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You/people in general should check out other forms of media besides these forums.
Go visit Reddit and the various liberal based gun subreddits, you're delusional if you think liberal gun owners are remotely on your/our side.

sevt_chevelle said:

Go visit Reddit and the various liberal based gun subreddits, you're delusional if you think liberal gun owners are remotely on your/our side.

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Yes people should be informed of both sides of the aisle. "Staying in your lane" teaches you nothing.

The Night Rider said:

I'm not sure how to say this without it being political. I will say that there are people on both sides of the aisle who are working towards this end.

The gun grabbers have given up any pretense that they're trying to reduce crime rates or keep guns out of the hands of violent criminals. They're trying to disarm you.

And if they're trying the law abiding, for lack of a better word, conservative American citizens it must mean that they're planning to do something that we would resist if we have the arms to do it.

The last thing I'm going to say and I've said it multiple times before is it this war was over when the left got control of our Public Schools and turned them into indoctrination centers.

It's going to happen. They will repeal the Second Amendment and then they'll take away our grandkid's guns.

It's just a matter of when.

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All painfully true IMHO.

I had to give that one a "Like" even though I "Dislike" the accurate negative description of what's happening.

Old Dog said:

With all the talk about all the "new" and "liberal" gun buyers and gun owners, many RKBA supporters seem to believe these folks will somehow automatically turn into single-issue voters. You'd be wrong.

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Most gun owners, whether "new," "old," "liberal," or "conservative," are not single-issue voters. They vote based on a variety of issues. That is, until a "tipping point" is reached and their personal gun ownership, whatever it is, is threatened. That's when they'll vote to protect their guns. The further the antigunners go (and this Colorado bill is a good example), the more the dormant pro-gun vote is awakened. The antigunners have to tread carefully, or face a surprise at the next election. If indeed the Colorado bill is withdrawn, that will be the reason.

I'm not shocked. Colorado is a lost child.

A

doubleh said:

New Mexico's short legislative session (30 days) is for financial matters and what the governor requests.. This year our little golem had a whole list including banning an semi-auto firearms and quite a few other anti gun things. The semi-auto thing went nowhere dieing in committee. We did get a 7 day waiting period though. One legislator made the comment that it would be totally ineffective and an inconvenience to honest citizens but voted for it anyway. He is from the norther part of the state.

The golem will term out but the two waiting in the wings to take her place are not good at all. NM has gone from being one of the most gun friendly states in the nation to trying to emulate California and Colorado since covid hit. It is doing a pretty good job of it too.

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And all of it is unconstitutional and affront to the Supreme Court telling them so.

I used to go every 3 or 4 years to New Mexico. Love Sante Fe, Taos and the environs.

The new anti gun environment there is chilling and very sad. I will probably never return.

The liberals who wish to disarm their fellow citizens in Colorado should study how well gun-control is currently working for their Swedish fellow-travelers.

IJ1981 said:

I used to go every 3 or 4 years to New Mexico. Love Sante Fe, Taos and the environs.

The new anti gun environment there is chilling and very sad. I will probably never return.

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Got something we can cite or some narrative?

Just the changing political make up. The Land of Enchantment is getting bluer and more leftist every year, from the Governor on down.

AlexanderA said:

The bill may pass the legislature and be signed by the governor, but then it will fail spectacularly to achieve its intended purpose (which presumably is to prevent mass shootings). It doesn't take a

The Night Rider said:

It's intended purpose is to disarm the citizenry. I'm fairly certain it will be very successful at that

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crystal ball to foresee this. Plus, it will promote disrespect for the law in general. Haven't we learned the lesson from the "well-meaning" attempt at alcohol Prohibition?

And, once again, the U.S. Supreme Court will fail to promptly knock it down.

The only silver lining that I see is that it will be a clear example of what not to do, for the benefit of other states.

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LiveLife said:

I have a feeling a lawsuit or more will be filed with request for preliminary injunction and/or temporary restraining order.

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IJ1981 said:

Just the changing political make up. The Land of Enchantment is getting bluer and more leftist every year, from the Governor on down.

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Well, we only have 48 more states to go......
-West out

When leaving California I never considered Colorado as an acceptable political environment, but like California, parts of the state are stunningly beautiful. New Mexico was a state which I crossed on the way to Texas. Lots of issues in New Mexico. Again, parts of the state are attractive, but most is best crossed without stopping. The coming election will have a major influence over the Supreme Court and the legal system in general. We will see if all of us will be living in California/Colorado, or if we still live in the United States. Vote..

Gary H said:

The coming election will have a major influence over the Supreme Court and the legal system in general. We will see if all of us will be living in California/Colorado, or if we still live in the United States. Vote..

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We just may get to appoint more pro-2A federal judges and justices if stars continue to align - https://notechtyranny.com/index.php...mp-with-some-differences.336/page-3#post-9779

Long live the Republic ... Godspeed

Why do I keep getting various quotes in my posts?
-West out

230RN said:

For me, that's long been a problem with this board but when I mention it privately I seem to get strong resistance from people who, I guess, simply don't like politics.

The major objection seems to be that political issues trend toward loud and pointless arguments and we can't have that here.

Big news: The second amendment is no longer a matter of "rights," it's a matter of "politics," pure and simple.

Other boards have political arenas where such "loudness" (e.g., all caps) is moderated and "gun politics" is discussed rather rationally.

I won't go along with Targa's "100 percent," but I'd be comfortable with him calling it "99 percent."

I find it amusing that we discuss all manner of matters of ballistics and history and advantages of one type of firearm versus another, yet fail to realize that unless we become deeply involved in "politics" all those matters will become moot.

I said it (again) and I ain't takin' it back.

Terry, 230RN

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Quoted for truth.

“Or, Mike, take the firearms first, and then go to court,”

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The solution is for Scotus to wake up and decide/take/not remand cases and make clear decisions, not new rules with debatable historical references. Won't happen though. Cases on drug or domestic abusers, bump stocks based on how agencies decide things are all very nice but truly peripheral. Getting rid of AWBs, mag bans and permit/carry restrictions that eliminate useful carry are the core issues that they have not gotten to - too much yachting.

GEM said:

Getting rid of AWBs, mag bans and permit/carry restrictions that eliminate useful carry are the core issues that they have not gotten to

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I always say that "you can't carry what you can't own." Therefore the priority for the SC must be to overturn the bans on classes of weapons. Yes, there has been progress on carry rights (Bruen) but this is really a secondary issue.

Ever since the Dobbs decision, the Supreme Court has been on shaky ground, and they know it. Hence their hesitancy to get involved in any other controversial areas.