Scary (and awesome) looking bullet identification?

It looks similar to the old Black Talon rounds (in the idea at least).

But it looks too clean and, honestly, flimsy to maintain that shape.

I don't get the bullet on the right... It would appear to have been fired and "expanded" upon some sort of impact, but then it also appears to be loaded in a cartridge.

I'm going to guess it is some sort of art project with a bullet and solder wire.

It illustrates that if left to it's own devices, a bullet is evil and will reach out to get you even if it has not been fired!

You watch Fark too huh?

I'm not sure exactly what it is / who makes it, but it should be perfectly legal almost everywhere in the US (except probably NJ).

maybe its 'art.' Looks like more lead spirals than there should be lead.

I don't think it's "real" either. Looks like someone took some soldering wire to it.

Those wires would snap right off or be bent backwards and become useless if they were made out of lead, and if they were steel...well, there is no mechanism I can think of that would make steel act like that when fired out of a firearm.

Also, it's still in the casing.

It looks similar to the old Black Talon rounds (in the idea at least).

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Not really.

This is what a black talon looks like when it has expanded:



It's very similar to what many hollow points look like when they expand.

You watch Fark too huh?

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I wonder how many of us there are?

Hmmmm...

"Expanded" bullet...loaded in a case. Wicked-lookin' expanded bullet...loaded in a case. Frightens the sheep to no end.

Smacks of somebody who doesn't know the difference between a bullet and a cartridge.

Do I detect yet another Brady Bunch
"Evil/Killer bullet factoid?

a bullet is evil and will reach out to get you even if it has not been fired!

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Mmmm. Yes. Positively Lovecraftian.

This is what a black talon looks like when it has expanded:

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Pretty! Image acquired. Something else to piss off my gunphobic shopmate.

This is what a black talon looks like when it has expanded:

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That doesn't remotely resemble an expanded Black Talon.

Pure BS.
Lead is not strong enough to have produced the 'wires; seen in anything that can also expand a bullet.
Even water.

Never seen such a thing, and I'm as sure as I can be that the "before" picture to the left would NOT result in that kind of expansion. Lead is rather soft, and no way would it give those kind of tendrils in any kind of soft media.

Looks like some puff piece intended to whip up a panic frenzy over EVIL bullets. It's pure BS. The only way it could be more hyped is to be next to some "EXTREME SHOCK!" ammo.

That doesn't remotely resemble an expanded Black Talon.

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Google search shows two different expansion profiles for some reason. This website also has two different profiles:
http://www.thegunzone.com/black-talon.html

Here's the other profile:





hmm...

It's a hydra shok. Get it?

Jokes and misinformation aside, here's the real scoop:

Title: Non-toxic frangible bullet

Document Type and Number: United States Patent 5679920

Abstract:

A non-toxic highly frangible training round bullet, and a method of making same, in which a plurality of segments of non-toxic metal selected from a group including zinc, iron, steel and copper are grouped or arranged within pressure-molding equipment and sufficient pressure is applied thereto to cause such segments to inter-engage and cohere, one to another, while being formed into a desired shape of bullet and retaining their individuality at least to a limited extent. Upon impact with a target, such a bullet fragments to a large extent along at least some of the original physical boundary lines of the original segments into new segments which are relatively small as compared to the size of the original segments. There is no substantial ricocheting or "bounce-back" activity associated with such fragmentation and, of course, there are no toxic effects.

I first thought it was fake, but now I get it, those wires are compressed into place to form the lead (or whatever) core of the bullet.

It's not meant to do that on impact, there's no possible way it could physically do that. Someone just carefully peeled out the compressed lead extrusions with pliers. Those fingers are just supposed to break up and peel off.

I think someone's trying to do the Glaser Safety Slug one better, and make a better compromise between penetration and fragmentation. It's like the quick-shock concept with it's three extrusions taken to a further extreme. Also somewhat like some styles of door breaching shotgun slugs.

Here's some other speculation about the round: http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2005/01/02-week/

"hydra shok" lol, nice

Looks like the bullet was formed from steel cable. You can see fragments of the cable pattern in the "unfired" round on the left.

Interesting idea, but I doubt it would work. Forces would be too high, probably.


EDIT: Dang. I got beaten pretty handily there.

That's a non-toxic Winchester "Super-Clean" JSP, with a bullet core made of extruded tin wire, swaged into a slug then set into a jacket. If you look at an unfired example, you can see the wire twisted together, but these aren't really meant for self-defense use, and certainly DON'T "unravel" the way the photo makes it appear.

jock art project photo im afraid. If you look closely, there is insufficient capicity in the copper jacket of unfired bullet to allow for such a large amount of lead wire to be inside it.
This projectile would simply self destruct and throw a large copper jacket cup, and a few pieces of lead wire around in the media used for testing.
Hence, its mostly likely an art project, or a fan boy creation for a gun related RPG game.
Admit, it might be interesting idea for zombie hunts if it worked.

United States Patent 5679920, reference above post

OK, I can understand the "somebody unpeeled the bullet" thing. Still funky.

Google search shows two different expansion profiles for some reason. This website also has two different profiles:

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One is a side view, and the other a frontal...neither of which look like the Wire-Haired Terror that someone apparently wants to portray.

That's a hoax. The bullet jackets are not the same, the bullet on the left is a semi wad cutter and the right is a hollow point with solder sticking out of the cavity.

That dang solder adds up to a whole nother boolit thar.