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Lack thereof was a distinguishing feature of AR15s.
At one time, there were conversion kits to convert AR's to full auto. Look up the "drop in auto sear".
Same deal with M14s vs M1As.
The M1A is a semi auto only version of the M14 made by Springfield Armory. Civilian legal semi auto M14's made by companies other than SA are not M1A's, even though they are often erroneously referred to as such.
 
The whole premise of this thread is ridiculous. Of course, we cannot expect LE officers to understand every nuance of the law. It's hard enough to get FFLs trained in the more common nuances- witness the FFL who refused to release an FN-FAL to its rightful owner and called the BATF because the selector would move into the third position and allow the hammer to drop but the rifle not fire. Does this mean mean I'm going to avoid owning an FN-FAL? Not on your life. Why should I live my life less free?

What if our Founding Fathers had chosen safety over liberty? What if they had said "I'm at liberty to own a firearm, but what happens if I meet a Redcoat who doesn't understand that nuance? Let someone else be the test case."

What if our brothers & sisters in Virginia recently felt the same way? "I'm not going to show up at a rally. It's legal to exercise our freedom of speech, but what if they misconstrue our intention as calling for violence? No easy am I going to take that risk!" Why do you allow the tyrants to terrorize and shame you into placing your necks into the yoke yourself? Why make their job easier?

At least Stephen Maize was honest about his intentions when he started the thread "Guns In The Home".
There is a difference between wanting to know exactly what the law is and being ok with it or even following it. Every gun owner should be familiar with the law, even the unconstitutional ones like you mention. It's part of "knowing thine enemy".
 
Like stated before, the lower in the OP is perfectly legal. If I were to build another A2 clone, I would seriously consider that lower. For a clone, you want it as close to the original (and legal of course). At least half of my AR lowers have safe/semi/full on them. No on has ever questioned me over that.

If you go over to AR15dotcom, there is a whole section on early M16 rifles and clones along with a section for A2 rifles and clones. Before manufacturers started putting these type of roll marks onto lowers, most people would use an 80% lower and have it marked as such.
 
Fun for a retro reproduction build, but all else being the same not something I'd prefer to risk.
I just bought an AK from them, too, and unbeknownst to me the receiver they make for those has three safety positions. It doesn't make any difference in function, but it's even marked S-A-F.
And it will indeed fire on A, though it lacks the trigger group and third hole so it doesn't do anything more than F. I just hope I never have to explain it.
 
I think bayonets on handguns fall into this category!o_O
I don't know.
I've seen it demonstrated (by my father) that an opponent with fast hands can disable a pistol by grabbing and pushing the slide.
He also demonstrated that he could disable a revolver by simply grabbing the cylinder.
both of these techniques allowed him to take control of and seriously injure the strong hand of the weapon-holder in the process of taking possession of the weapon in question.
Perhaps a bit of sharp metal that was in the way might make that a little more difficult - but I doubt it... .
 
The whole premise of this thread is ridiculous. Of course, we cannot expect LE officers to understand every nuance of the law. It's hard enough to get FFLs trained in the more common nuances- witness the FFL who refused to release an FN-FAL to its rightful owner and called the BATF because the selector would move into the third position and allow the hammer to drop but the rifle not fire. Does this mean mean I'm going to avoid owning an FN-FAL? Not on your life. Why should I live my life less free?

What if our Founding Fathers had chosen safety over liberty? What if they had said "I'm at liberty to own a firearm, but what happens if I meet a Redcoat who doesn't understand that nuance? Let someone else be the test case."

What if our brothers & sisters in Virginia recently felt the same way? "I'm not going to show up at a rally. It's legal to exercise our freedom of speech, but what if they misconstrue our intention as calling for violence? No easy am I going to take that risk!" Why do you allow the tyrants to terrorize and shame you into placing your necks into the yoke yourself? Why make their job easier?

At least Stephen Maize was honest about his intentions when he started the thread "Guns In The Home".
You are wrong about the premise of the thread. I mentioned one specific example of what may be perfectly legal, but on topical inspection does not seem so, and thus is a bad idea. Really neat, but has high potential for misunderstanding or failure of some kind. The item I presented was an AR15 lower reciever marked as an m16 lower reciever which are similar but not the same, and ALL m16a2 rifles are NFA weapons so there is a huge disconnect between what is legal and what is intelligent. Another poster mentioned rubber grips on revolvers, and I have to agree that they twist and turn making heavy recoil less manageable for some folks including me. Another thing that feels good, and some may say looks good but is in reality kinda dumb. Works for some, but some folks consider it dumb because of the high likelihood that the rubber grips don’t work well for folks. Many have recently commented on the 12 ga muzzleloading black powder pistols as being dumb, but they sure do look nice. The failure there would likely be in performance making the gun an expensive and ineffective arm.

Back to the topic being discussed, if you were to pour sweet tea into a fake but realistic beer bottle you could drink it while driving down the road, and would not be intoxicated, however it’s dumb because you would be giving the impression that you were doing something illegal and I guarantee you would be hassled by the cops if they saw it. Likewise, the m16a2 reciever is a false representation of reality, and the immediate response is not a favorable one which is in high likelihood going to cost you some money to get out of. There is a term I hear often that goes “play stupid games, win stupid prizes” and this is one of those situations where you would be “playing a game” where the only possible positive prize would be to impress someone who is unable to tell what they are looking at, but risk legal hassle and expense.
 
I don't know.
I've seen it demonstrated (by my father) that an opponent with fast hands can disable a pistol by grabbing and pushing the slide.
He also demonstrated that he could disable a revolver by simply grabbing the cylinder.
both of these techniques allowed him to take control of and seriously injure the strong hand of the weapon-holder in the process of taking possession of the weapon in question.
Perhaps a bit of sharp metal that was in the way might make that a little more difficult - but I doubt it... .
I agree with you there but carrying and deploying one in this configuration gives me pause for thought. Also what are the actual chances you run into that situation. Kind of like getting a dud SD load when you deploy your handgun. You can disable a semi auto handgun if you jamb it into someones clothing far enough to push the slide back as well.
 
At one time, there were conversion kits to convert AR's to full auto. Look up the "drop in auto sear". The M1A is a semi auto only version of the M14 made by Springfield Armory. Civilian legal semi auto M14's made by companies other than SA are not M1A's, even though they are often erroneously referred to as such.
Respectfully disagree. Marking an AR15 with an AR16 legend does not make it so. If it did, it would be prohibited unless transferable and necessary stamps and process occurred. "Property of US Government" legend does not make it so either. Modifying firearms with an RDIAS isn't what we are talking about, but I would argue that doesn't make an AR15 an AR16. It may emulate the function of an M16, but do so in a firearm that never met spec for the M16.

Similarly, calling a rifle an M14 that was never owned by the government and never met M14 specs doesn't make it so. Just because we are not dealing with a trademark that gets us a cease and desist letter doesn't mean these terms should be applied to anything with a superficial resemblance. It's likely to get someone in a bit of trouble for no good reason that I can discern.
 
Ummm... what? The standard rifle is still an M-16 variant.
The key word being "variant".
A lot of differences (internal, to include components and machining, and external) between the M-16 issued in say 1969 to an M-4 issued in 2019, and the years in-between, for that matter.
The M-16 I was issued in 1975, was not a "flat top" or have collapsible or folding butt stock, and not have a 3 or 5 round burst fire, either. It was semi-auto or full auto until the ammo was used up.

The M-4 is not an M-16. I'll admit they look close to the same, though.
 
Respectfully disagree. Marking an AR15 with an AR16 legend does not make it so. If it did, it would be prohibited unless transferable and necessary stamps and process occurred. "Property of US Government" legend does not make it so either. Modifying firearms with an RDIAS isn't what we are talking about, but I would argue that doesn't make an AR15 an AR16. It may emulate the function of an M16, but do so in a firearm that never met spec for the M16.
Disagree with what? I've never heard of an "AR16". What is that? Are you disagreeing with the fact that there used to be drop in auto sears for AR15's available to civilians?

Similarly, calling a rifle an M14 that was never owned by the government and never met M14 specs doesn't make it so. Just because we are not dealing with a trademark that gets us a cease and desist letter doesn't mean these terms should be applied to anything with a superficial resemblance. It's likely to get someone in a bit of trouble for no good reason that I can discern.
I said that an M1A is made by Springfield Armory. Other semi auto "M14" type rifles made by other manufacturers other than SA are not M1A's. If you'd like to call them something other than an "M14", be my guest. Call up Smith Enterprise or Norinco and argue with them about it.
 
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A lot of differences (internal, to include components and machining, and external) between the M-16 issued in say 1969 to an M-4 issued in 2019

I bet the M-16 you were issued in 1969 had a third pin and the selector rotated 180 degrees. Just the same as a M-4 issued in 2019.

Also, just so you know, M-16A2s and M-16A4s are still in use, so the claim that officers who were soliders when the M-16 was issued would long since be retired is false on it's face even if you don't consider the M-4 to be a close enough analogue of the M-16 that a person trained on the M-4 would therefore also be more than passingly familiar with an M-16.

Yes, uppers have changed. Handguards have changed. Stocks have changed. Sight systems have changed. The basic operating system has not changed. No third pin, no automatic. Doesn't matter if it's an M-16A2 or M-4... which is an especially funny distinction to try to make since the M-4 is an outgrowth of the M-16A2
 
Disagree with what? I've never heard of an "AR16". What is that? Are you disagreeing with the fact that there used to be drop in auto sears for AR15's available to civilians?

I said that an M1A is made by Springfield Armory. Other semi auto "M14" type rifles made by other manufacturers other than SA are not M1A's. If you'd like to call them something other than an "M14", be my guest. Call up Smith Enterprise or Norinco and argue with them about it.
You are right, I meant M16, not AR16. And in referring to "M14" type rifles, I see that you understand the distinction between a generic reference and an attempt to market a sheep in wolf's clothing.
 
So the M16A2 lower is considered dumb?

I guess that I am one of the dumb ones.

I purchased one, and built it into a complete carbine. And, horror, of horrors, I installed a Fostech Echo Gen II binary trigger in mine, so my selector goes to all three positions. And guess what, when that selector is in the "Burst" setting, my rifle fires on both pull and release of trigger.

Perfectly legal. Even if my trigger was in a different lower, without the "Burst" marking, the selector would still go to the third position, and would still function in exactly the same way. Some folks are overly paranoid.
 
My brother in law (local LEO) knows next to nothing about guns. 3 position lower, I'd bet he's hauling you in to figure it all out. He's in no way anti gun, just generally uninterested .

I have no clue if a law has been broken so I'm hauling you in until I find out. That is what passes for probable cause these days?

You guys are getting me more and more concerned about the suspension of our bill of rights.
 
I have no clue if a law has been broken so I'm hauling you in until I find out. That is what passes for probable cause these days?

You guys are getting me more and more concerned about the suspension of our bill of rights.
I would see it as a sensible thing to do in this case. Looks like a duck, labeled as a duck, probably a duck, and until I find a bird expert to decipher if it’s a duck or not I’m calling it a duck. By that point an officer will have either A. Wasted a pile of time/effort/resource on a stop, B let someone go when he wasn’t sure whether a felony was committed or not even though he had some evidence to say it was, or C hauled the guy in and let him and the bird expert explain the subtle differences between the aforementioned duck and the goose.
 
I would see it as a sensible thing to do in this case. Looks like a duck, labeled as a duck, probably a duck, and until I find a bird expert to decipher if it’s a duck or not I’m calling it a duck. By that point an officer will have either A. Wasted a pile of time/effort/resource on a stop, B let someone go when he wasn’t sure whether a felony was committed or not even though he had some evidence to say it was, or C hauled the guy in and let him and the bird expert explain the subtle differences between the aforementioned duck and the goose.

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I would see it as a sensible thing to do in this case. Looks like a duck, labeled as a duck, probably a duck, and until I find a bird expert to decipher if it’s a duck or not I’m calling it a duck. By that point an officer will have either A. Wasted a pile of time/effort/resource on a stop, B let someone go when he wasn’t sure whether a felony was committed or not even though he had some evidence to say it was, or C hauled the guy in and let him and the bird expert explain the subtle differences between the aforementioned duck and the goose.
"Take the guns first, go through due process second". That what you're saying basically? We can throw all that old fashioned nonsense about innocent until proven guilty out the window I guess.
 
You should be concerned.
I have been ever since a late night stop a few years ago. Long story short I had a shotgun with a chopped barrel, and the traffic stop lasted over an hour after they cleared me of everything else. The shotgun was too close to the legal limit for comfort, but the officer who stopped me didn’t know how to properly measure it and was coming up just barely short. Couldn’t figure out how to verify the thing was empty and called in a second unit, then a sheriffs deputy, and eventually a state trooper just happened by and stopped to offer to assist. So was it a felony? No because a dowel down the bore measured a frogs hair over 18” but the officer measuring from the intersection of the frame and barrel was getting 17-5/8. I no longer am willing to toe the line. I allow for some dumb factor.
 
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