England: Beyond gun control

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Here is sneak peek of things to come. Below is a look at "sensable" knife laws in England. This will give you a good idea of just how far the center has drifted over there, and the direction we are headed here. Read this and simply substitute "pistol" or what ever modern firearm you fancy for the word "knife" and the whole thing will sound hauntingly familiar.

http://www.bkcg.co.uk/guide/law.html

THE LAW
YOUR KNIFE AND YOU
Despite what you may have been led to believe, our knife laws are amongst the most sensible in the modern World.

In Great Britain we benefit from laws which promote the sensible use and collecting of fine cutlery, yet discourage those who seek to abuse what are, in effect, artistic, well engineered tools. In short, be aware of the following points, although please read the linked articles for more in-depth information ...

What You Can't Have ...
The following items are banned from sale within the UK (although if you already own one you may keep it, but not use it outside of your own property) ... Switchblades, automatics or 'flick-knives', gravity knives, balisongs or 'butterfly knives', push daggers, belt buckle knives, sword canes, disguised knives, or knuckle-duster knives.

Late on in 2004, an amendment to the law was introduced which restricts the sale of any knife which is not readily detectable by the normal methods of detection, ie: either x-ray or metal detection, unless it can be proven that the knife's sole purpose is for the preparation of food. So for instance, the Cold Steel CAT Tanto or Lansky Knife are now prohibited within the UK. These knives are correctly referred to as Airport Knives, but in English law are commonly referred to as Stealth Knives.

In 2006, so-called Disguised Knives were prohibited. You may not buy any knife designed to look like something else, for instance a knife which appears to be a pen, (and it doesn't matter whether the pen works or not, it's still prohibited here).

What You Can Carry ...
The Criminal Justice Act (1988) says that you may carry a knife with a blade length of 3.0" or less so long as it is capable of folding. That means no fixed blade knives. But use your loaf - a knife has no place at a football match, in a pub, nightclub or school and becomes an offensive weapon in these circumstances in just the same way as a screwdriver, or any other innanimate tool.

But I NEED a Bigger Knife ...
If you wish to carry a larger knife then you must have 'reasonable cause'. That means that you must be able to prove that you had a genuine reason for carrying the knife.

You may carry a larger cutting tool if it is associated with your work (for instance a chef may carry a 9.0" butchers knife roll to and from work), or if it is associated with your sport, (for instance a fisherman may carry a 6.0" fillet knife, or a hunter may carry a 4.0" fixed blade hunting knife).

Don't forget it's there though. If you stop off in Tesco's for a can of beans on your way home take the knife off of your belt and lock it in your glove box, or your local Bobby will be unimpressed at your excuses. When transporting a knife by car keep it locked away in the glove box or securely stored in the boot of the vehicle. Do not slip it into the door side-pocket, under your seat or in a centre console, this is a dangerous practice, and if stopped by the Police this gives the impression of keeping the knife close to hand.

Don't Give The Police A Hard Time ...
Ensure that you comply fully with the law. The Police take breaches of knife law very seriously, and take our advice, you really don't want to be caught on the wrong side, it's just not worth it.

Please note that this information is supplied for your information only. We are not solicitors nor policemen, so please follow the links for more 'official' information, or speak to a solicitor for legal advice.

The Restriction of Offensive Weapons Act (1959)
Prevents the use and sale of switchblades and automatic knives within Great Britain due to the violent and prevalent use by "Teddy Boys".

The Criminal Justice Act (1988)
Probably the most contraversial piece of legislation to go through Parliament. Extends into all areas of modern life, although with regard to our subject matter, the Act outlaws the sale of certain knife categories. Amongst those included are belt buckle knives, push daggers, and other "so called" martial arts weapons.


The Offensive Weapons Act (1996)
Restricts the sales of certain types of knife to persons under the age of 16

The Knives Act (1997)
The most recent law to affect knives in Great Britain effectively banned the sale of any knife suitable for combat. Although in theory this could mean literally ANY knife, the spirit of the law is there to protect us all. It's left "grey" enough to exercise a little self control for those clearly seeking a collectable path, yet shuts down any avenue for violent use.

It's worth pointing out that in ten years of our involvement in the cutlery industry, nobody has paid us £200 for a Buck Military Model 1 and used it for an illigetimate purpose. Why would you? The majority of violent incidences involving knives feature domestic cutlery (primarily kitchen knives), or craft knives like the "Stanley"-type knife ... cheap, disposable, and so much more explainable than a Buck M1 filling your pocket!
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If someone doesn't want you to have a weapon; it's because they might give you a reason to use it.
 
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Brittania Sinks

Lord Nelson would vomit. Brittania sinks beneath the waves of history....Time for the members of the British Knife Guild to grow a pair and change those stupid nanny state laws.

Once again we are reminded...
"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."
 
I stand by my tagline:
If someone doesn't want you to have a weapon; it's because they might give you a reason to use it.

This applies to the state as well.
 
"a knife has no place at a football match, in a pub, nightclub or school and becomes an offensive weapon in these circumstances in just the same way as a screwdriver, or any other innanimate tool."

That's funny. I've used my 3 1/2 inch folding knife dozens of times at public places but not once as a weapon.
 
But (speaking of the US) . . .

Why is it then that so many Americans - and foreigners who come here - feel that the place is so, well, safe?

"I have met incredulous British tourists who have been shocked to the core by the peacefulness of the place"

A British man I met in Colorado recently told me he used to live in Kent but he moved to the American state of New Jersey and will not go home because it is, as he put it, "a gentler environment for bringing the kids up."

This is New Jersey. Home of the Sopranos.

Brits arriving in New York, hoping to avoid being slaughtered on day one of their shopping mission to Manhattan are, by day two, beginning to wonder what all the fuss was about. By day three they have had had the scales lifted from their eyes.

I have met incredulous British tourists who have been shocked to the core by the peacefulness of the place, the lack of the violent undercurrent so ubiquitous in British cities, even British market towns.

"It seems so nice here," they quaver.

Well, it is!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/7359513.stm
 
But use your loaf - a knife has no place at a football match, in a pub, nightclub or school and becomes an offensive weapon in these circumstances in just the same way as a screwdriver, or any other innanimate tool.

Loafing is precisely what the English do best. They haven't worked up a moral or intellectual sweat in decades.
 
Yea, if you can feel safe in New Jersey of all places, then that really shows you the difference between here and Britain.
 
a knife has no place at a football match, in a pub, nightclub or school and becomes an offensive weapon in these circumstances in just the same way as a screwdriver, or any other innanimate tool.

A knife "becomes" an offensive weapon??? So, in the UK, an inert piece of metal becomes alive in these places?:eek::what:

Funny, last night I took a pistol into a restaurant, a film theatre and a tavern and my pistol did not come alive and harm anyone. Good thing I wasn't in the UK--home of the living metal.:D
 
Belgium same thing. Any knife or other object that can be used as a weapon cannot be carried without a legitimate reason.

A trucker with a small knife even went to court, where he had to prove had to have the knife to open boxes for customs-checks.

Any knife, so even under 3 inches.

If you carry it on you it is a "hidden offensive weapon"

same with your car. You cannot have a large flashlight within reach as this could be used as a weapon. Same goes for knifes, screwdrivers or even a heavy piece of electrical wire...
 
I love going to Britain been there many times, I like it because reminds me how much I love having the freedom to own guns and knives. Every time I return I seem to buy a new gun and or knife within days of getting back:rolleyes:
 
interestingly there are exemptions i.e if a sword cane is antique you casn sell it and kurkis (sp for the gurkha dagger?) can be sold in pairs as colletables if nepalese but not brought into the uk as singles.

If a police officer wants to grab me and generally be a prick, if my scalpels for my modeling are not in a locked steel box, as I travel home or into town. Where I work with the blades he can arrest me for possesion of a weapon. I have not been able to carry my shell casing belt on the london eye and was searched at the houses of parliment due to my hip setting off the metal detector where there was an armed copper in the corner. I was also told to take off a spiked neck leather collar by a comunity support officer (mini cop with less power, glorified traffic warden) as apparantly a 1/8th inch blunt spike is a weapon as was my wallet chain. Pepper spray is ilegal if I shoot a burglar I will go to prison and will get sued for ipacting his career and will once released be basically under house arrest in case I finnish the job. Good God I love the UK. I want to emmigrate to the USA once I gain my English and Creative writing B.A. I joined this forum for advice on firearms amd laws and advice on where in the usa to move, as our nra is useless the country is doomed and laws are draconian. Sorry about the rant.
 
I wonder if their historians point out they lost two wars against us, then had us save their bacon in two World Wars. Of course sending your army off in bright red uniforms is not the smartest military tactic either.
 
Hard to believe that not so long ago, their ancestors sailed around the globe, conquered native inhabitants in foreign lands, overcame tremendous obstacles in establishing innumerable colonies and outposts throughout the world, and created an Empire that literally the sun never set on. That these same descendants of this once formidible superpower island nation, could be reduced to such a quivering, fearful, and unarmed mass of cytoplasmic pudding; courtesy of the machinations of their own social engineering, nanny-state politicians. Simply astonishing, even to the casual observer.
 
bannockburn said:
Hard to believe that not so long ago, their ancestors sailed around the globe, conquered native inhabitants in foreign lands, overcame tremendous obstacles in establishing innumerable colonies and outposts throughout the world, and created an Empire that literally the sun never set on.

That only happened 'cause God didn't trust 'em in the dark!:p:D:rolleyes:

And now their government has learned from example......:banghead::banghead:
 
After the Brits have removed everything sharp, heavy or dangerous from their society and people are still strangling each other will they cut off everyones hands to keep them safe?
 
And before I enjoyed owning a firearm I wanted to move there.
Not any more.

So. With that said. You can't have a shovel either, unless you have 10 cu. meters of dirt and a permit to plant a garden.
 
You laugh, joke, poke fun and otherwise show your fear, for you and I surely think this country is heading in that direction ... right ? Did I not read that some children have been suspended from school for having a shirt with the word, "Glock" on it, or an empty brass rifle shell case ... ?
 
You're right Hook. We need to get active and make sure that stuff like what is happening in England doesn't spread here.
 
I would say "I can't believe their people let them do that," but there's not much the people can do now. I see "V for Vendetta" happening in the near future if it doesn't stop. Some British person is going to say no more.
 
It's already too late for England. Englandistan is a fact of life. There are already places where the Brits dare not go for fear of other cultures..

http://esyurl.com/96m

Their acceptance of creeping Sharia law is a prime example of what happens when a country surrenders it's national and cultural identity instead of insuring that others become contributing members of the society that hosts them.

They will need their weapons in the days to come and alas..will not have them.
 
For pity's sake people... this country is in a terrible state in many ways yes. But do NOT tar us all with the same brush! This is the HIGH Road, or at least it was last time I checked. Do not believe for a second that this country is a lost cause, or go on spouting that all the freedom lovers moved out centuries ago, or whatever holier-than-thou bullplop you want. Some of us are fighting from 'behind enemy lines', if you will. We do still have a fair amount of the population who love freedom and are very dissatisfied with the state of the country. Our political system though is broken, and fixing the country is more of an uphill struggle than getting Diane Feinstein to back repealling 922(o) and national shall-issue CCW on the same day. If you really cared about what was happening in the UK, you would back the suitable groups, at least spiritually and preferably also materially. (The NRAUK is not such a group though... lots of accurate non-THR comments could be made about them...)

42, ignore the NRA. They are not primarilly a political organisation (their failing); they only really care about the Imperial and I'd bet my eye teeth they wouldn't fight worth a damn unless it was under direct threat. The NSRA are similar. The MLAGB are quite elitist (must use black powder! Cartridge pistols? Were you sent here by the devil, sir?). Ditto most target groups. Try SAGBNI for a start. BASC, although a sporting/hunting group, are miles better too. If you want a political party which truly supports freedom, of firearms and all other aspects of life, lok into the UK Libertarian Party. Small, but new and radically different. I think that they have the chance to become great, with time and dissatisfaction with teh Big Three.
 
I love going to Britain been there many times, I like it because reminds me how much I love having the freedom to own guns and knives.
Every American should go abroad, there's nothing that will make you love and cherish America more.
 
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