"Decocking" Taurus Millenium Pro
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KaliS-Pugilist
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there's nothing wrong with the mil pro!
i also carry a mil pro pt-145, it is one of my daily carry guns, depending on what im in the mood for and what im wearing. as stated earlier, there is no way to decock the mil pro...that is just not one of its features. nothing wrong with its quality, nor is it something that taurus missed when developing this gun. a decocking feature is just not part of the design. IMHO the mil pro pt-145 is a great concealed carry/personal protrection pistol and functions perfectly in that regard. and as stated before, there is no difference in carrying a mil pro with one in the chamber as there is with carrying a glock or m&p with one in the pipe. in fact, i would say that the mil pro is "more safe" (lol, that is funny talking about guns) than a glock or m&p because it does have a thumb safety that does work properly (although not fool proof).
those who want to have a "safety" are giving themselves a false sense of "safety" when carrying a firearm and probably shouldn't carry with that mindset. if a person follows basic gun safety fundamentals, primarily keeping their finger off the trigger, they will be doing just fine. it amazes me when people want to carry, but at the same time they don't want to carry a gun that is cocked/ready to fire & with one down the pipe?!?!?!
the mil pro was designed with what is called a "second strike" capability that allows the shooter to pull the trigger and "drop the hammer" again in the case where the primer doesn't ignite on the first try, for whatever reason. its actually a useful feature to have and what you would want if carrying concealed and that ever happens. i have actually used this feature when shooting reloads and it worked perfectly.
the mil pro is a SOLID gun and i would recommend it to anyone looking for a decent concealed carry gun. it is so good that i have recommended it to people along side of other higher priced carry guns like the XD-subs, m&p compact, and glock.
i also carry a mil pro pt-145, it is one of my daily carry guns, depending on what im in the mood for and what im wearing. as stated earlier, there is no way to decock the mil pro...that is just not one of its features. nothing wrong with its quality, nor is it something that taurus missed when developing this gun. a decocking feature is just not part of the design. IMHO the mil pro pt-145 is a great concealed carry/personal protrection pistol and functions perfectly in that regard. and as stated before, there is no difference in carrying a mil pro with one in the chamber as there is with carrying a glock or m&p with one in the pipe. in fact, i would say that the mil pro is "more safe" (lol, that is funny talking about guns) than a glock or m&p because it does have a thumb safety that does work properly (although not fool proof).
those who want to have a "safety" are giving themselves a false sense of "safety" when carrying a firearm and probably shouldn't carry with that mindset. if a person follows basic gun safety fundamentals, primarily keeping their finger off the trigger, they will be doing just fine. it amazes me when people want to carry, but at the same time they don't want to carry a gun that is cocked/ready to fire & with one down the pipe?!?!?!
the mil pro was designed with what is called a "second strike" capability that allows the shooter to pull the trigger and "drop the hammer" again in the case where the primer doesn't ignite on the first try, for whatever reason. its actually a useful feature to have and what you would want if carrying concealed and that ever happens. i have actually used this feature when shooting reloads and it worked perfectly.
the mil pro is a SOLID gun and i would recommend it to anyone looking for a decent concealed carry gun. it is so good that i have recommended it to people along side of other higher priced carry guns like the XD-subs, m&p compact, and glock.
tinygnat219
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Nope.
Eeeghhh... get something else useful like a spatula.
Had one of these POS pistols. I carreid it with one in the chamber with the safety on.
NavyLCDR
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We are still getting our Mil Pro after the wait period is over, I hope Tuesday. I agree with what was stated earlier that carrying with the safety on is no replacement for smart gun handling in the first place. None of my guns, except in the most rare instances, will see the safety ever on.
I think the gun could have been engineered better, but I think the issues with it are just something that the owner needs to be completely aware of and knows to check for proper operation of the safety when appropriate before the gun is loaded. My biggest concern would be someone buying one of these used and not have any clue as to it's design.
I think the gun could have been engineered better, but I think the issues with it are just something that the owner needs to be completely aware of and knows to check for proper operation of the safety when appropriate before the gun is loaded. My biggest concern would be someone buying one of these used and not have any clue as to it's design.
primer
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While I like my DAO mil pro, I like my ruger p-90 a little more because it's a little easier to double tap. Once you pull the trigger once in DA it goes to SA. So the second round doesn't take near as much trigger pull. But I do like my pt-140 very much. Now if the my Taurus had an external hammer and functioned like my ruger (a de-cocker would be great)I would like it a little more. Either way it's a great little shooter. I just don't like the a SAO because of the area in with I carry. An unexpected fire from it would be VERY unpleasant in that particular area. (In front waist band.)
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im trying to find the engineering issues with this gun???? every firearm can have or not have certain features...that some may have problems with. the mil pro does what its supposed to do. load it, aim it, pull the trigger, BANG. it has been that way for me with over 1000 rounds fired and no problems whatsoever. that doesn't mean that some may get a lemon here and there. and im fully aware that the fist generation of this model had LOTS of problems. but, the newer ones are just fine. now if a decocker is what you need and want, then this firearm is not for you. otherwise, it will do what you need it to, when you need it.
im not really into gun bashing, unless its a fugly glock....lol and even with the glock, i hold that it is a great firearm and an excellent choice if someone gets it.
buy the mil pro and gives us a review after you get it and put a couple 100 rounds through it. id love to read your experiences with it.
im not really into gun bashing, unless its a fugly glock....lol and even with the glock, i hold that it is a great firearm and an excellent choice if someone gets it.
buy the mil pro and gives us a review after you get it and put a couple 100 rounds through it. id love to read your experiences with it.
NavyLCDR
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My only comment about the not so smart engineering is that an unknowledgeable person may get a false sense of security from the fact that the safety is engaged on the weapon, that they could pull the trigger with the safety on, and cause a negligent discharge and severe damage because the slide is also locked forward with the safety. I think Taurus has opened themselves up for major litigation should this happen.
Don't get me wrong, though. I specifically stated NEGLIGENT discharge above. To me the resultant litigation from a situation as stated above would be in the same category, in my opinion, as the hot coffee on the lap lawsuit
I think the person causing the ND should be 100% responsible for it, if they caused the trigger to be moved to the rear position by an act on their part, regardless of a failed safety or not.
I am not complaining about the lack of a decocker, nor do I think every SA/DA weapon should have one, I was just asking if there was a way, not stating that I thought that there should be.
Don't get me wrong, though. I specifically stated NEGLIGENT discharge above. To me the resultant litigation from a situation as stated above would be in the same category, in my opinion, as the hot coffee on the lap lawsuit
I think the person causing the ND should be 100% responsible for it, if they caused the trigger to be moved to the rear position by an act on their part, regardless of a failed safety or not.I am not complaining about the lack of a decocker, nor do I think every SA/DA weapon should have one, I was just asking if there was a way, not stating that I thought that there should be.
XDKingslayer
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Kalis, I would expect this kind of stuff from a Glock owner, but Taurus Kool Aid tastes like crap regardless of what color it is.
The gun is flawed. Cut and dry. Any weapon that fires when the safety is on is flawed.
I do have a Mil-Pro (3rd gen) and I have 400 rounds through it. While it has functioned flawlessly besides the safety, it is a complete hunk of crap and will not see another round put through it. The crown of the barrel is cut wrong and the gun is so inaccurate it isn't even funny. The front site fell off on the first range trip. The rear sight was installed backwards from the factory.
Yep. Quality weapon indeed. There is no quality control from Taurus period. The customer support is atrocious at best.
You see it here every single day.
The gun is flawed. Cut and dry. Any weapon that fires when the safety is on is flawed.
I do have a Mil-Pro (3rd gen) and I have 400 rounds through it. While it has functioned flawlessly besides the safety, it is a complete hunk of crap and will not see another round put through it. The crown of the barrel is cut wrong and the gun is so inaccurate it isn't even funny. The front site fell off on the first range trip. The rear sight was installed backwards from the factory.
Yep. Quality weapon indeed. There is no quality control from Taurus period. The customer support is atrocious at best.
You see it here every single day.
DawgFvr
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I see morons here everyday. My Taurus, like yours XDK,
I wish I could say that about every other brand of weapon I own.
I wish I could say that about every other brand of weapon I own.
I've had not one mechanical issue with my PT111 Millenium Pro (version 3.) The only issue has been cosmetic. The cover for the striker broke off. I bought mine used so I don't know if it was incorrectly removed and overstressed before I had it. Taurus is sending me a new one. Taurus has run some pretty severe stress tests with the Millenium Pro and the 24/7...including shooting competitions where they put +20 thousand loads through a gun.
I do agree the safety issue is a bit disconcerting but can't imagine a case where I'd accidently engage the safety with the trigger partially pulled. It would take some serious buildup in front the the trigger to keep it from returning naturally....like dropping it in mud maybe?
I do agree the safety issue is a bit disconcerting but can't imagine a case where I'd accidently engage the safety with the trigger partially pulled. It would take some serious buildup in front the the trigger to keep it from returning naturally....like dropping it in mud maybe?
L'attente
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I bought a Mill Pro PT111 (9mm) at the end of May and have put about 4 to 500 rounds through it, I've had no issues...
I have both 2nd and 3rd generation pt145s that are great little guns.
I also never have my finger on the trigger until I'm ready to shoot, and especially not while applying the safety.
I do however, agree with XDKingslayer's observations from another thread.
I think the Mil pros are fantastic guns... if you get one that is not screwy.
I wish Taurus had a modicum of consistent QC and customer service, as if they did they'd be an outstanding company.
I also never have my finger on the trigger until I'm ready to shoot, and especially not while applying the safety.
I do however, agree with XDKingslayer's observations from another thread.
XDKingslayer said:
I think the Mil pros are fantastic guns... if you get one that is not screwy.
I wish Taurus had a modicum of consistent QC and customer service, as if they did they'd be an outstanding company.
Just to be clear- is anyone here denying that the following is a design flaw, regardless whether they consider it to be a practical issue for them or not? And understanding it is still operator's negligence if trigger is pulled while safety is on.
Out of curiosity I tried to "accidentally" put the safety on with the trigger partly depressed. It isn't so easy or unnoticeable as people who get up in arms would have you think.
In order to do it you have to push the trigger a considerable distance, past where the safety engages. If you only push it a little bit the safety will engage as normal. If you push it about a third of the way, the safety will engage in front of the trigger but will move it back even a bit further....leaving the trigger sitting almost half way back. It is very obvious that something is amiss.
You can debate all you want whether Taurus should have designed a safety that can be disabled by an idiot pulling on the trigger while engaging it but the fact remains, you'd have to be an idiot to make this mistake.
I am supremely confident in my Millenium Pro. It shoots accurately, fits my hand well, puts shot after shot into the target with nary an issue.
The only issue I've heard, with the Millenium Pro, that gives me any concern whatsoever is that the slide retention pin can wear with a steady diet of +P ammo. I only occasionally shoot +P to confirm shot placement and feed reliability so again, this is a non-issue for me.
In order to do it you have to push the trigger a considerable distance, past where the safety engages. If you only push it a little bit the safety will engage as normal. If you push it about a third of the way, the safety will engage in front of the trigger but will move it back even a bit further....leaving the trigger sitting almost half way back. It is very obvious that something is amiss.
You can debate all you want whether Taurus should have designed a safety that can be disabled by an idiot pulling on the trigger while engaging it but the fact remains, you'd have to be an idiot to make this mistake.
I am supremely confident in my Millenium Pro. It shoots accurately, fits my hand well, puts shot after shot into the target with nary an issue.
The only issue I've heard, with the Millenium Pro, that gives me any concern whatsoever is that the slide retention pin can wear with a steady diet of +P ammo. I only occasionally shoot +P to confirm shot placement and feed reliability so again, this is a non-issue for me.
I think it is because people complained about the lonnnnggggg trigger pull. To me, it is one of the best DA trigger pulls out there...certainly the lightest...and it breaks clean.
Perhaps they decided they should avoid this and go for a 1911 style. Unfortunately, the SA is not as light as a true SA only gun...but it is crisp. Also, the safety, IMHO, is too small and close fitting to the gun...and I wish it had more a snappy feel to it.
ok here goes. I have gen3 millenium pro da/sa pt140. I have always had hammer guns,because i'm leary about 1 in the chamber even with the safety on,because i've seen cases where the safety has been accidently moved to the fire position. I carry 1 in the chamber on da/ mode with safety on. Maybe my pt is different don't know. Here is how i figured it out. I sat and played around with trigger , and slide. < MAKE SURE GUN IS UNLOADED TO DOTHIS AT FIRST> . pull slide back to put in sa mode just like you would do to chamber rnd. Now pull slide back just far enough for chamber to drop approx.1/8" Now while chamber is down fully pull trigger .you should here a click release slide then release trigger. this will decock it.and put it in da mode. Gun will not fire if slide is back enough for chamber to drop. You will have to practice this awhile to get it down pat every time. KEEP SAFE. Would like to here back on this just to see if this works on other millenium pro's. SHOULD I SAY NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ACCIDENTS!!!!
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hereiamnia
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Gunmaker's routineworks on my PT 111 Mil Pro. Although I see no need to do it at all.
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SSN Vet
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there's no hammer to de-cock... it's striker fired....
and the manual of arms is NOT ... partially pull trigger and then flip the thumb safety up...
imho... if it is your practice to engage the safety, while your finger is even touching the trigger (or is even inside the trigger gaurd for that matter) then you do NOT handle firearms safely...
Just try that one on your condition zero 1911!!!! (live round in the pipe, hammer cocked, manual thumb safety off, grip safety depressed.... slightly pull trigger prior to flipping up the thumb safety.... BOOOM!)
that's it... the 1911 is a defective mechanism, because you can't partially pull the trigger and then engage the safety
and the manual of arms is NOT ... partially pull trigger and then flip the thumb safety up...
imho... if it is your practice to engage the safety, while your finger is even touching the trigger (or is even inside the trigger gaurd for that matter) then you do NOT handle firearms safely...
Just try that one on your condition zero 1911!!!! (live round in the pipe, hammer cocked, manual thumb safety off, grip safety depressed.... slightly pull trigger prior to flipping up the thumb safety.... BOOOM!)
that's it... the 1911 is a defective mechanism, because you can't partially pull the trigger and then engage the safety
KaceCoyote
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rear sight installed backwards?
why in god's name did you take it home?
why in god's name did you take it home?
My son's MP converted itself to no action after only 48 rounds in new gun. Trigger stopped working and he popped out the mag. Three small broken metal pieces fell out of the mag well.
Taurus service has had the pistol for 3 weeks and may have finally had a gunsmith look at it. They say we are looking at 12 weeks total to get it back.
I am not impressed.
Tom
Taurus service has had the pistol for 3 weeks and may have finally had a gunsmith look at it. They say we are looking at 12 weeks total to get it back.
I am not impressed.
Tom
hereiamnia
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What's MP got to do with Taurus?
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