Please, Help me choose best gun+ammo that matches Brazilian guns laws

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@sm: That's good advice, but y decision to move into that place is final.
I've done a lot of looking around, and I can't find that much space for that oney anywhere else, and unfortunately, I need the space to work.

But yeah, definitely, I just look into "updating" my software instead of just worrying about the hardware.

The thing is, the WHOLE CITY is a trouble area. Somea reas a worse, that`s true, but you're not exactly safe in upscale neighborhoods either.

@suemarkp: 44 Special is not allowed for us, because standart loads are just a little over the 300 mark. There is in fact a list with the permited calibers.
The people who regulate those laws are so far up their own arses, that sometimes, they "forbid" calibers that otherwise would be acceptable by the standarts they have set themselves.
For example: any caliber with Magnum in it's name (which as far as I know, is nothingm ore than a loose comercial denomination) is prohibited.
So even tiny cartridges like the .17 HMR are not allowed.

Yes, in theory, sportive shooters can handload, and most of them do so. But last time I checked tey simply had stopped issuing handloading permits (and in order to apply for one, you have to have a "shooter/collector's license).

Gripper mentioned lever action rifles and a 22.lr carbine. These are both feasible options for me. Actually THE ONLY rifle caliber allowed here for civilians is the .22LR. And .38 spllever action carbines are very popular here in the rural areas (mostly manufactured by Puma).
Once again, .357s are a no-no.

Well, and now we come to one of the areas I had most doubts about, which is ammo.

As far as I know, in theory, by law, NOBODY is allowed to import ammo. That's right, NOBODY, not even the military. But I'm pretty sure they end up making concessions and in fact some foreign ammo gets here somehow (legal or not).
But in y case I gotta buy brazilian.
The single ammo manufacturer here is the Companhia Brasileira de Cartuchos - CBC (Brazilian Cartridges Company). http://www.cbc.com.br/

For the .38 spl, thr civilian loads I have available are:
I've ordered them by price (from the most expensive to cheapest).

CBC 38 SPL+P FMJ Flat Nose 125GR SILVER POINT
MV: 287 m/s - ME: 334 J - Test Barrel Lenght: 4" (vented)

CBC 38 SPL+P+Expandig HP 125GR GOLD
MV: 305 m/s - ME: 377 J - Test Barrel Lenght: 4" (vented)

CBC 38 SPL+P Expanding HP 158GR
MV: 268 m/s - ME: 368 J - Test Barrel Lenght: 4" (vented)

CBC 38 SPL Lead Round Nose 158GR
MV: 229 m/s - ME: 268 J - Test Barrel Lenght: 4" (vented)

I suppose I can also get wadcutters if I get into some form of sportive shotting.

Here's the manufacturer's link (in Portuguese)
http://www.cbc.com.br/municoes/muni_revolver/index.php?acao3_cod0=c7fd41312e825d719934e6b8631da7ee

And that's about everything I can get my hand on hwn it comes to .38 spl ammo.
 
BBrutt, my wife is Brasilian and you have answered many of the questions I had about firearms in Brasil. Sad to say, but it's even more restrictive there than here in California. Looks like it will no longer be an option for us for retirement. :(

Favela?! :eek: You're kidding, right? The cops don't even go there! You'll definitely need a gun or two, but make sure you get a good safe as well! You'll no doubt get broken into if you're close, and you'd hate to lose your gun(s) while you're at work.

Scatterguns are always a great option. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Stoeger has factories in Brasil and they make some decent shotguns. Another option is a Taurus revolver that was designed for the judges in Brasil, aptly named "The Judge". It shoots either .410 shotgun shells or .45LC shells. If you can find .410 buckshot or - even better - slugs, you can be pretty well off. I've heard some good things about them.

Whatever you decide I wish you the best.

-MW
 
BBrutt:

if we're adding +P and +P+ loads to the options, then i think .38 special becomes an even clearer choice over the .380 auto. if you go with a snubnose, i think the heavier 158 grain HP is the best choice, as a heavier bullet is less dependent on velocity and barrel length for stopping power. if you get a 4" barrel, the 125 grain +P+ load might be better, though i personally still like the heavier bullet. a +P+ load really isn't far off a .357 magnum, so i'm somewhat surprised it's allowed. you probably ought to eliminate the FMJ and lead round nose options from consideration if HPs are available.

i'd also add a pump shotgun or .38 lever carbine down the road. but it seems to me that a revolver for immediate, up-close encounters should be the first priority.
 
Does Brazil limit ammo capacity, because the current Taurus PT58HC .380 may not be a bad choice. There's a personal review for it at the thefiringline


PT58HC with 19 RD magazine
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PT58HC with 15 RD magazine
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PT58HC Frame
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According to taurususa;

The Model 58 is truly a sized-down 92 in every aspect - but in .380 ACP caliber. A mere 18.7 ounces, the 58 features a 3.25-inch barrel and an impressive 19+1 round capacity, combined with the hammer-forged steel slide and forged ordnance grade alloy frame with three-position frame-mounted ambidextrous safety that allows for a classic SA "cocked-and-locked" mode, as well as functioning as a DA decocking lever.

Capacity: Comes with a 15rd and 19rd Magazine
Barrel Length: 3.25"
Overall Length: 6.125"
Weight: 18.7 oz

And it's available at your store falconarmas for R$ 2.3900,00 (Whatever that is?)
 
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Well I wanted to thank you all again.
And also to I'm sorry for not replying to this thread for a while, it's just that life's been a little crazy.

Well, I just wanted to say that I have applied to a "basic firearms safety course" which is a mandatory short duration firearms course that one must take in order to apply for a firearm license.It'll begin next week, and I gotta say I'm pretty psyched about it.

I have not moved yet, since the person who's currently living in the apartment has not moved out, and from the looks of it, there might be some complications in the process (even legal ones) as they don't want to move out.
So, maybe I'll just forget about this apartment, the rent was too good be true anyway...

But back to firearms, I've been giving great thought on the 817 and 850 Taurus snubbies. And maybe a Taurus 838 with a 4" barrel (8 rnd .38spl +P, that also comes with 6" and 8" barrels). I also really liked the look of taurus 88 CI (I think this one is not sold in the US http://www.falconarmas.com.br/shop/product_info.php?products_id=41).
Thanks for the tip on the heavier projectiles in snubs, it does make sense.

The PT 58 HC is probably the most popular pistol (still in current production) in Brazil. Most guys who begin shooting IPSC or anything similar begin with that gun, for it's low price and high capacity.
Before anyone goes "DID HE SAY THEY START ON IPSC WITH A .380???"
No, Im not crazy, here in Brazil it's the most popular caliber in IPSC, because of our legal restrictions. "But .380 doesn't make minimum power factor!" Yeah, it doesn't but we have created a special dvision called "Light" where less powerfull guns are allowed, and in that division, the .380 is king. Sorta like when you guys came up with the "Limited 10" division to overcome your legal problems.

Now, back to self/home defense. Is the trade-off between firing 5-8 .38 +P rounds (and the difficulty to reload) worth the 20 .380 rounds that I get with the PT 58?
From what I've been reading and learning, I still think it's not.

Besides the PT 58 seems like a bit hard to conceal, specially when you're looking at 2-5 years with no bail for carrying a firearm (a LEGAL one, that is).
 
People have mentioned the firearms of choice.

As for ammo "MAGTECH" ammo is good stuff. I use it in my .44 magnum since it is very cheap and available and have had NO issues at all with the ammo. It is a little bit "dirty" (after +12 rounds it getts pretty blackened.), but other than that it fires and shoots well.
 
BBrutt: If the PT58C has the same frame size as the Beretta/Taurus 92 series, then you will need a heavy jacket or similar to conceal it effectively, along with a quality inside the waist band holster, which may not be available in Brazil.

A J frame equivalent two inch barreled revolver will be much easier to conceal and can be slipped into a pocket.

On the other hand, you will find the PT58C much easier to shoot accurately, especially if ammo is hard to come by for extensive practice, a full grip, longer sight radius and single action after the first shot are all important.

.38 ACP, in a jacketed hollow point round, will have less expansion and less penetration than a soft lead .38 Special plus p hollow point.

If you can swing the money, obtain two pistols, the PT58c & a two inch J frame revolver.

If you can't afford or are not legally allowed two guns then a four inch .38 special revolver is probably your best compromise. See if you can get some speed loaders and practice using them until you can reload without looking and while moving around your apartment. Use duds for this, not live rounds.
 
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