Most Reliable Auto Pistol

An auto-revolver would cause rioting in the streets starting in one of these forums.

9x18 is about as powerful as you can get in blowback design
it's more than .380 less than 9x19
wikipedia is pretty good, if you go for FPS/kJ etc.

if you want to shoot through an engine block, not for you, but it's enough for people.
OH and it's cheap.

edit: you mean one of these?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mateba_Autorevolver

I also saw a SIG that comes with two different grips one full size other compact for about the same price.

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That would be the SIG 250. It's not in the same league as the SIG P Series pistols. The 250 choked in a recent ATF field trial which both Glock and the S&W M&P passed, and were approved for purchase by other federal agencies without further testing.

the 82 is 12+1 and is a dream to shoot, really accurate and surprisingly nice, BUT don't take it apart (past field striped) the trigger/action is rather complex.

If you want little the P64 for ~160 from J&G or IOINC or SOG, the 82 is about 170-200 online.

Ruger P85, P89, P91, AND P90

The glock g17 and sig p229 have both exceeded my expectations.

I've been told a 1911 has about 120 parts. I've counted 39 in a diagram of a Glock. That's total. Like counting each half of the spring keepers.

No guarantee any individual gun will be reliable.

Buy a quality gun from a well respected manufacturer, use high quality ammo, keep it well maintained, and there is a good chance it will be reliable.

XD, XDm, or M&Pc all in 9mm have been 100% reliable

robinkevin said:

OK so I am planning ahead on my next pistol. I am becoming draw to revolvers due to their reliability and look, however a little draw away from them due to weight (If I choose to carry it).

Anyhow to aid in my research I was wondering what is the most reliable auto you have own?
Also since this is the auto-loader forum and I have already post in Revolver getting everyone's pros on revolver over auto, please feel free to list any reason you would take auto over revolver.

Thank you

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Whatever you get your will be just a little less reliable then what folks claim here.

except for the people who don't claim that X gun is reliable, products vary, lemons happen (anybody got the pic of the Taurus revolver with machining nub still on, the barrel unbored?)

Find a gun that works for you, other than those guns with known problems (like tight spec 1911's or 'match' chamber AR's) most guns out there work pretty well.

i agree with the ruger p-series. they are built like tanks and you will probably never have a jam with them if you take care of it and clean it when you get back from shooting.

The list would be much shorter these days if you asked which were not reliable. Lots of good dependable firearms out there compared to a few years ago.

robinkevin said:

Getting some of the basic answers I expected... besides for one that many of you mention has through a wrench in my head gears, Makarov. I see these a lot used for darn cheap.
I have thought that they are a old russian design and can't be that good (why would I think that with the AK47? being of the time period.)... Whats the power difference between the 9x18 compare to 9x19 9mm? I heard that the Makarovs 9x18 is just a tad better than .380?

Actually have thought about getting another XD but I also saw a SIG that comes with two different grips one full size other compact for about the same price. That sound like a great gun for both home defense and seldom carry. I dont see any gun really replacing my p3at as a carry gun just because its so easy to have on me at all times.

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The Makarov is one of the all time great pistol designs, up there with the 1911, BHP, Glock, etc. Don't discount it because it's a soviet design. It's as reliable a pistol as has ever been made, fewer parts than anything else, and is very easy to detail strip and replace components should you actually have a failure.

9x18 is pretty much only a slightly hotter 380, however.

For a cheap carry gun, you could do a LOT worse than a Makarov.

robinkevin said:

OK so I am planning ahead on my next pistol. I am becoming draw to revolvers due to their reliability and look, however a little draw away from them due to weight (If I choose to carry it).

please feel free to list any reason you would take auto over revolver.

Thank you

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A Revolver has more moving parts than an auto, a revolver if it decides to break normally becomes in operable.

A semi auto can jam, but that can be clear, a semi auto can normally be used as a single shot if something like the extractor breaks.

You lock up a Revolver and you can't shoot it at all. In order for it to be cocked, it has to "revolve".

How I know this is that I have a cheap Rossi .22 that is out of time, it still works but spits lead out from between the frame and cylinder. So it's obviously not safe.

As far as an auto goes, most modern pistols are very reliable. I've heard that "Glocks" are the most reliable. (lol just kidding)

I have two autos that are free of any problems. The Glock 19 is super sweet, and super reliable. Never an issue with it. And the dark horse that most people cast away as trash..... I have a Llama Max 1 1911 in 45 ACP. Bought it new in 1998. Polished the feed ramp, and have shot several thousnad rounds through it without a problem. Used it to qualify for my ccw. Tight as ever and I would not think twice about putting my life in its hands for defense.

I have 2 92s,a CZ75,2 Rugers P89 and a 345,S&W1911 and a Para 1911 and all have been very reliable. No matter what manufacturer you buy you should get a solid pistol,but as in all things you will get a lemon once in a while. The thing is if you have a problem will the manufacturer make it right and in a timely fashion. Most of my experience is with Ruger and they will step up to the plate and make it right. S&W has a lifetime waranty and will pay shipping both ways.

SIG, Beretta (92 series), HK, & Glock would be my choices. I have a couple of M&P's, just not enough rounds on them to say, yes, I consider these pistols reliable. From all indications so far though, they seem good to go.

I've had an XD9 Tactical and XD45 Tactical. I sold both, but not due to reliability issues. In the combined 1150 rounds I shot on them, no bobbles of any kind.

I've owned several Glocks over the years (G17, G22, G23, G27, G26, G33) and I have never had any of them to fail (knock on wood).

If I had to buy a pistol right off the shelf and load it and use it to defend myself, having never fired it before, I would choose a Glock.



As for the "why an auto over a revolver"....

I like both revolvers and autoloaders, but for daily carry I prefer a small autoloader because it gives me a greater capacity in a similar sized package.
For example:
a 5-shot S&W 637 Airweight snubbie vs a 10+1-shot Glock 26 sub-compact....







Let's face the facts:

1) Attacks often involve more than one attacker.
So one might be faced with two or more attackers.

2) Only a fool would count on a one-shot-stop.
Most likely one will have to shoot the threat more than once to force them to stop their attack.

3) Even the best of shooters sometimes miss their target.

When you factor all of that in to the equation, five rounds doesn't sound like enough to me.

There is a reason I own and regularly fire, four XDs.

I carry two of them professionaly.

I love CZ's but, I will admit that I have 2 reliability concerns. The first concern is because the slide sits inside the frame, there is less to grab on to. In the case of a stoppage it can be really tough to rack the slide. I encounter this mostly when I feed my CZ reloads with too long of an overall length...my fault, not the gun's, the real world likelyhood of this sort of stoppage where the cartridge is lodged in the barrel is not terribly likely.

My other concern -- Probably equally as baseless is with the complexity, all kinds of springs and tiny pieces roll pinned in to the frame and slide. Complete disassemble seems a bit overwhelming. I have this same concern with Sig Sauer.

I can take a Glock down to irreducible components with just a small punch, or a 1911 with no tools at all (well 'I' can't, but I've seen folks do it, so it can be done).